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First grow closet set up
    #17207481 - 11/12/12 02:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hi all as this is my first grow i figured i would post a few pics originally started with 20 pf tek type jars 8 of which i lost to contamination. After tweaking my sterilization methods I inoculated another 12 jars which have all made it to almost complete colonization.I have a remote temp display so i can keep watch on the the temperature at all times and the closet is not tight sealing allowing for fresh air exchange but still maintains a temp between 75 and 80 degrees. Lighting in the closet is a 6500k florescent day light bulb and be on a 12/12 schedule.




I have basically transformed a walk in closet in to a small grow room with ample room for 4 large fruiting chambers as well as general storage for my mycology supplies with two 2 Foot table one on each side of the closet and a small shelf connecting the table that holds heater/fan and spray mist bottle.





the first 12 jars that survived i have spawned to bulk substrate following damion5050's coir tek with a half cup of added gypsum did modify the amount of coir mix made to fit my needs and now have 3 pans of substrate that are working on colonization.





will keep this updated as everything starts to move along. want to thank everyone who has helped me out along the way and the shroomery for the wealth of knowledge. Any tips or advice you have would be great planning on moving to mono tubs once I am done with this batch.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17207499 - 11/12/12 02:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Looks :cool: ... Why are your jars upside down though? and for your trays, do you have holes on the lid or anything?

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: subiedude]
    #17207671 - 11/12/12 02:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Looks :cool: ... Why are your jars upside down though? and for your trays, do you have holes on the lid or anything?




The only two thoughts that came to my head when reading the OP.

Don't flip jars.
It disturbs your dry verm layer & lessens GE.
The bulk "cakes" you have in those tupperware containers needs some type of GE, as the lids are air tight.


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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #17207880 - 11/12/12 03:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hell yeah man. I wish I had a closet like that to dedicate to mycology!! I'm thinking about buying a storage closet and using that eventually. But for now I am stuck in my closet. I want to move to mono tubs to, after my next couple of 10 jar batches. Mono tubs look awesome. Keep posted please. You should check out my cakes, PFTek. Also, my 1st grow log. Second time cultivator. Trying to post lots of pics. :stoned:


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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: MycroProphecy]
    #17208667 - 11/12/12 05:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

lol thanks for the kind words. I flipped the jars after finding it highly suggested in many posts in the message boards it seemed to be the way to go once i flip them they are pretty much left alone to prevent to much disruption in the dry vermiculite layer and there still seems to be ample room to allow air flow in. As far as the pans yes i have modified some extra lids i had with five holes covered with micro pore tape and switched them out just had not had a chance to do it before I snapped the pics.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17226101 - 11/15/12 07:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

just a few updated pictures with the modified lids and a few pics of some growth think everything is looking good but please feel free to let me know if something does not look right. And before anyone yells at me for taking the lids off it is a clean room with limited air flow i have it setup that way for a reason lmao.

tubs with modified lids


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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17226347 - 11/15/12 08:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

that early on opening the lids wont send it into fruiting, cubes arent THAT sensative to fresh air, as long as you didnt fuck around when swapping out the lids, and dont make it a habbit youll be straight, you could of just poked a couple holes in the lids, personally i just loosely cling wrap the top,  keep up the good work, and quit flipping your pf jars


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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17226348 - 11/15/12 08:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I won't yell but the point is to limit FAE at this point until a higher level of colonization is achieved. Cover those puppies and don't peek.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: quebus]
    #17226537 - 11/15/12 09:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Colonization = no fresh air / high co2 / high humidity
Fruiting = high fresh air / low co2 / high humidity

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: Montock]
    #17226542 - 11/15/12 09:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

after these are done their should not be anymore pf jars lol im planning to move on to grains and i don't make a habit of taking the lids off i can actually see thru them to a point only took them off to swap the lids out and snap photos at the same time. But yeah I seem to be getting a lot of advice now saying not to flip the jars so even if i do keep with PFtek i wont be flipping them anymore

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: Montock]
    #17226562 - 11/15/12 09:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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that early on opening the lids wont send it into fruiting, cubes arent THAT sensative to fresh air, as long as you didnt fuck around when swapping out the lids, and dont make it a habbit youll be straight, you could of just poked a couple holes in the lids, personally i just loosely cling wrap the top,  keep up the good work, and quit flipping your pf jars



If you introduce FAE before full colonization, the you are giving contams a chance to colonize the substrate before the mycellium.

Not to mention YES IT COULD induce fruiting/early pinning.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17226570 - 11/15/12 09:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Don't introduce any FAE until it's time to fruit. Only GE during the colonization phase. Keep fucking around and you could stall colonization or get early pinning. Even contamination.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #17226654 - 11/15/12 09:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well as i said i had to change out the lids originaly there where no holes at all for GE and i was advised to correct that issue lids where only off for a few seconds i appreciate all the feed back and i dont make a habit of taking the lids off.I am aware of the risk of contams but didnt want to smother them either i know there where better ways to fix the issue but cant turn back the clock now thanks again for the input please keep it comeing as i am still trying to learn

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #17226669 - 11/15/12 10:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yep. Cover em up until theyre fully colonized and dont peek for a while until you cann see through the lid that it is fully colonized then introduce to fruiting conditions which would be reduced temperatures, FAE, lighting (debatable), and high RH.

Enjoy. I need to make some benches or something like that in my closet. I have about double that space and could use it muuuuuch more wisely.

EDIT: I would cover the holes with duck tape and then remove it for fruiting conditions and re-add the micropore tape.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17226742 - 11/15/12 10:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Are you planning on fruiting those trays, by humidifying your entire closet setup? I foresee problems down the road with high humidity and particle board :eek:

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: orange771]
    #17226762 - 11/15/12 10:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

nope i have 4 SGFC made up and ready to go just have to add the perlite once the trays are ready to go in. I have 12 more jars finishing that i am going to do the same method thus the reason for 4 FCs, then im moving on to mono tubs.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17227806 - 11/16/12 02:26 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Blargh, regurgitate regurgitate, regurgitate , I fully understand how to initiate pinning. Unless he spawned in a clean room he's already got all the contam he needs to contam the fuck out of it ...... Ive opened plenty of tubs for split moments for one reason or the other and never had one blast off into fruiting when the substrate is at 25%,50%,75%, have you, did it start fruiting after 5 seconds of fae, no ?  they fruit when they're ready. Swapping the lids on those casing's will MOST LIKELY NOT,  set it off fruiting.I wonder how spores don't instantly fruit soon as their dropped and colonize a tiny bit....... oh that's right it takes a healthy amount of moisture evaporation at the substrate surface, along with some lumens, and for the myc to be ready, not just a cunt hair of fae against a partially colonized chuck of coir..... Lolzor.


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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: Montock]
    #17227826 - 11/16/12 02:34 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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then im moving on to mono tubs




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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #17229704 - 11/16/12 01:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Sweet grow.  Can't wait to see how this works.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: sporestarter]
    #17283187 - 11/26/12 06:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

ok just want to throw out a quick update all the trays are starting to colonize on the top getting some nice looking coverage. Sorry no pictures didnt want to take lids off the trays and due to the lids being red you cant really see anything if i try to take pics with the lids on. Also my other set of 12 jars has finished up i have moved those into bulk trays using the same methods as before i did however change the amount of crumbled jars to 6 per tray giving a 1:1 ratio. Already started to gather what i need to move on to grains will be changing the whole setup to mono tubs instead of SGFC allowing for substantially more fun lol. Will update with pics as soon as the trays are finished up and i move them into fruiting.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17288935 - 11/27/12 06:29 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

well i have lost a tray to the dreaded green mold other 2 seem to be plugging along nicely should be ready for fruiting soon. definitely getting anxious / nervous at this point hoping i dont have anymore loss due to contams. contaminated tray was disposed of immediately to prevent spreading.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17292296 - 11/27/12 06:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Keep it going man:thumbup: Is this your first grow? At any rate, I can see you're learning a lot about what and what not to do... As you progress, your failure rate will diminish to almost nothing... Keep on keeping on!!

Oh, and you'll love mono-tubs!

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: subiedude]
    #17293227 - 11/27/12 08:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thanks yeah i am learning something everyday lol and yes this is my first grow i figure if im going to do something im going to do my best to do it right good news is my trays should be ready to go in the fruiting chambers in the next day or so and with that will come many many more pics.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17307830 - 11/30/12 08:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ok for anyone who is following this i have lost another tray of substrate what i found upon further inspection is that by following the tek and putting a thin layer of the coir mix on top it leaves a huge area open for contams. The inside of the tray looked healthy and was fully colonised however the top layer being the last place the mycelium works on has in this case has contaminated before the mycelium really had a chance to take it over. From what i am seeing in any case when spawning to bulk make sure to have an even distribution on mycelium and do not cover the top with a layer of bulk substrate it is best to just mix everything together with the colonized spawn distributed as evenly as possible through out the mix to allow for fast colonization and reduce risk of contams. I am giving the last tray i prepared from the first batch a 50/50 chance of compleation. Either way i have used all of my mistakes as a learning oportunity and continue to refine my methods. I do however suggest if you are going to do bulk in any manner go with monotubs. I will continue to keep the thread updated and as soon as my camera is found i will post up some pics of my last tray from the first batch . My second batch trays are however thriveing from what i can see i am being meticulous with them to prevent them from being contaminated and will post more on those when they are ready to fruit. On a side note second batch trays do not have a layer of substrate laying on top i did as i would recomend and just mixed everythin together evenly !!

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17308731 - 11/30/12 12:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



How are these getting GE during colonization?
Those lids are air-tight.


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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #17310052 - 11/30/12 04:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I went back and modified the lids with holes covered with micropore tape originaly had no holes then went to five covered with the tape and finally due to a concern of to much fae covered 4 holes coved with duck tape and one in the center i left covered with micropore tape unfortunatly i had alot of opportunities for contams to get hold but i am learning quickly

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17310104 - 11/30/12 04:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

how big are the SGFC's u have? im curious!!!! I want ones that big!!! and where did u get?


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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17310275 - 11/30/12 04:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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well i have lost a tray to the dreaded green mold other 2 seem to be plugging along nicely should be ready for fruiting soon. definitely getting anxious / nervous at this point hoping i dont have anymore loss due to contams. contaminated tray was disposed of immediately to prevent spreading.




Your world is filled with contams waiting to happen.  Since you can't avoid them during substrate layout and fruiting, you have to do everything possible to give yourself an advantage.

#1: When colonizing substrate, you NEED a BIT of air.  100% sealed favors contams. A lid of a mono taped on the short sides (for stability and the ENSURE you do not open it by accident) will leave the long edges with a bit of opening. No, I do not put in bags or block the light, I've seen the light (thanks guys). But I do put it in a still air room that has an ozone machine nearby.

So the 1st couple of days with no air might have fucked you.

#2: Myc is fragile.  These are microfuckingscopic connections here.  Every time you lift/move/look at with a bit of harshness your tray will have a negative affect. Every bit of broken myc is an opportunity for contam to get established.  LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE.

#3: EVERY OPENING IS BAD.  YOU LIFT THAT GODDAMNLID ONE MORE TIME YOU SHOULD GET SMACKED.

Sorry, now that I've gotten that out of the way, consider the fact I suffered with trays (and by suffered, I mean some awesome harvests punctuated by heartbreak of contams) and fully support your goals here. 

I shut down my FC a month ago.  No reason for it.

Move to montubs. Much easier, perfect humidity, self contained.  And smaller trays do not colonize or fruit faster than monotubs.  It just feels like they should.  They don't.  So no reason to fuck around with the small stuff.

Learn to leave it alone.  Do NOT have goals of MUST BE COLONIZED IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.  You have to find the perfect myc to achieve those speeds (I'm down to 7 days for my PE, YAY, but the norm is 3-5 weeks for everything else I currently have,booo), it is not the norm, but almost all myc will give good results if you LEAVE IT ALONE.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: shroom_bee]
    #17310688 - 11/30/12 05:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #17311089 - 11/30/12 06:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

ViolentSmoker21 the tubs are 109 Quart and i belive run 10 bucks each at wally world

Shroom_bee  All of your points are valid and i have learned all of this already each time i have messed up i have made note and learned from it the lids had only been opened up once all other changes to the lids had been completed with the lids on. Already planning on moving to mono tubs as soon as the last 3 Trays I have are finished will be working on getting the spawn ready for the mono tubs as soon as i have the supplies i need. And i agree i do need to be smacked for screwing up so many times but I've learned from every mistake I've made so over all i know better now. thanks for the feed back tho its much appreciated.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: taterg25]
    #17336856 - 12/05/12 06:32 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ok quick update i hate it but my camera has decided it does not like to take clear photos anymore :mad: I have started to get fruit from the last tray in my first batch seems that they are only getting to about 2 inches in height but after much discussion in the cultivation chat im thinking its genetics and not a lot can be done to fix that lol. I did notice that i was not getting a proper humidity level after buying a hygrometer so to correct that issue i raised the SGFC up off the tables to allow for an approximately 5 inches instead of the 2 or 3 inches that is recommended and also have added a cool mist humidifier in the closet. I am now keeping a 100 percent humidity level in the fruiting chamber. Also i have lowered the room temp to stay at an almost constant 73 degrees which was recommended to me as a possible way to get the mushrooms to grow a little larger if genetics is not in fact the problem. Pins are starting to spring up at a more abundant rate and the tray itself seems to be thriving. I will continue to work on getting some pictures and will update with final dry weight once first flush has finished. Also the 2 trays from second batch of jars are colonizing nicely no signs of contamination and i have not had to remove the lids for any reason, i did however relocate them to a cabinet over my refrigerator due to the lowered temp in the closet to help keep them warm the temp was monitored prior to relocation and seems to stay at a constant 80 degrees. I did take precaution and cleaned the cabinet as well as spayed down with lysol 30 Min's prior to the relocation. With any luck the second batch of trays will be the better as far less mistakes where made on my part.

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Re: First grow closet set up [Re: shroom_bee]
    #17339052 - 12/05/12 03:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

shroom_bee, that is an awesome post I must say!! :laugh:

And taterg25, taking notes is what keeps me going man. If we didn't learn from our mistakes we wouldn't make shit, in my belief. Thanks for posting. I am learning from your mistakes as well. lol. Good luck with all your growing!!!


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