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How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online
#17202693 - 11/11/12 06:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I found a site that seems legit that sells 4-aco-dmt and its in canada but Im afraid that I could get in legal trouble if I bought it. I have searched around the internet for a long time but things change over time. Its probably different now than it was a year ago and so on.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: SteelPanther]
#17204832 - 11/12/12 01:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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That chemical is not scheduled, and you won't get in trouble ordering it, even if the package gets seized. But if you are carrying it around and a cop finds it, expect a felony arrest and around $1500 to get out of jail. You shouldn't get a felony conviction though.
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Alan Rockefeller said: That chemical is not scheduled, and you won't get in trouble ordering it, even if the package gets seized. But if you are carrying it around and a cop finds it, expect a felony arrest and around $1500 to get out of jail. You shouldn't get a felony conviction though.
Why would he get a felony arrest if it's not scheduled? I would think if it's not scheduled under federal or his state laws he can walk around all he wants with it. What are they going to do other than give him shit for it and think they got him for some thing that's not illegal. If it's not illegal there's nothing to worry about. They can't arrest you for not breaking the law. You can take legal action against the force if they do it's an abuse of power and an unlawful arrest.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Tsukasa]
#17211869 - 11/13/12 10:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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You talk an awful lot about things of which you have very limited or incorrect information.
You can be arrested for suspicion of possession of a controlled substance. No, you can't sue anyone for the arrest.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Enlil]
#17211956 - 11/13/12 10:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I'm pretty sure they can test it on site to see what it is. Yes you can sue for unlawful arrest. People do it all the time.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Tsukasa]
#17212489 - 11/13/12 12:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nope. You're wrong about both. As far as your second claim, you might be interested to know that police have qualified immunity which protects them from most such suits.
But feel free to keep spouting nonsense.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Enlil] 1
#17212498 - 11/13/12 12:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You talk an awful lot about things of which you have very limited or incorrect information.
A typical Shroomery user.
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But feel free to keep spouting nonsense.
I suspect he will even without your invitation.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: SteelPanther]
#17212556 - 11/13/12 01:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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SteelPanther said: I found a site that seems legit that sells 4-aco-dmt and its in canada but Im afraid that I could get in legal trouble if I bought it. I have searched around the internet for a long time but things change over time. Its probably different now than it was a year ago and so on.
Man up and order. It's not even illegal yet. Buy it before they schedule it. lol
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Enlil]
#17212686 - 11/13/12 01:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Nope. You're wrong about both. As far as your second claim, you might be interested to know that police have qualified immunity which protects them from most such suits.
But feel free to keep spouting nonsense.
Immunity my ass thats why you hear about people suing and winning and filing complaints on officers all the time in cases over police brutality. There all over youtube. Don't act stupid just because they don't like to cook bacon in the frying pan when theres trouble and give a pig probation. Rights are rights and if they violate your rights you can take legal action. Like the cop shooting the lady's dog a while back. I suppose theres nothing you can do about that. Or the story where the guy fell of the bridge and broke his neck and the cop tasered him because he wasn't moving or responding that was on youtube. I suppose they have immunity to that shit to. I bet your one of those people that like to play the victim and bitch about theres nothing I can do to fix this arn't you. If your arrested and your not breaking the law you have rights to file complaints on the officer, and they keep kits in the car so they can check what kind of drug it is to if you didn't know that. It's not like none of us havn't seen cops. Come on. As an American citizen that puts his rights to use and actually knows them unlike most of the stupid pieces of shit feed that b/s to some one that will fall for it. That's like saying a cop will arrest you for having powdered sugar in a sandwich bag in your car and claim its coke.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Enlil]
#17212698 - 11/13/12 01:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You talk an awful lot about things of which you have very limited or incorrect information.
You can be arrested for suspicion of possession of a controlled substance. No, you can't sue anyone for the arrest.
If he's not breaking any laws and they arrest him that's a great fucking definition of unlawful arrest.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Tsukasa] 1
#17212713 - 11/13/12 01:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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TriGeoLight said: Immunity my ass thats why you hear about people suing and winning and filing complaints on officers all the time in cases over police brutality. There all over youtube. Don't act stupid just because they don't like to cook bacon in the frying pan when theres trouble and give a pig probation. Rights are rights and if they violate your rights you can take legal action. Like the cop shooting the lady's dog a while back. I suppose theres nothing you can do about that. Or the story where the guy fell of the bridge and broke his neck and the cop tasered him because he wasn't moving or responding that was on youtube. I suppose they have immunity to that shit to. I bet your one of those people that like to play the victim and bitch about theres nothing I can do to fix this arn't you. If your arrested and your not breaking the law you have rights to file complaints on the officer, and they keep kits in the car so they can check what kind of drug it is to if you didn't know that. It's not like none of us havn't seen cops. Come on. As an American citizen that puts his rights to use and actually knows them unlike most of the stupid pieces of shit feed that b/s to some one that will fall for it. That's like saying a cop will arrest you for having powdered sugar in a sandwich bag in your car and claim its coke.
Cool rant, bro...
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Enlil]
#17212731 - 11/13/12 01:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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TriGeoLight said: Immunity my ass thats why you hear about people suing and winning and filing complaints on officers all the time in cases over police brutality. There all over youtube. Don't act stupid just because they don't like to cook bacon in the frying pan when theres trouble and give a pig probation. Rights are rights and if they violate your rights you can take legal action. Like the cop shooting the lady's dog a while back. I suppose theres nothing you can do about that. Or the story where the guy fell of the bridge and broke his neck and the cop tasered him because he wasn't moving or responding that was on youtube. I suppose they have immunity to that shit to. I bet your one of those people that like to play the victim and bitch about theres nothing I can do to fix this arn't you. If your arrested and your not breaking the law you have rights to file complaints on the officer, and they keep kits in the car so they can check what kind of drug it is to if you didn't know that. It's not like none of us havn't seen cops. Come on. As an American citizen that puts his rights to use and actually knows them unlike most of the stupid pieces of shit feed that b/s to some one that will fall for it. That's like saying a cop will arrest you for having powdered sugar in a sandwich bag in your car and claim its coke.
Cool rant, bro...
Way to blow me off when i rub the truth in your face. Because I was wrong about the Civil War I must be wrong about every thing.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Tsukasa]
#17212751 - 11/13/12 01:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude, you're completely wrong here as well. After your rant, I simply decided that you're not open to learning anything here, so I won't waste the time to try to help you do so.
I have nothing to prove to anyone else on this forum. I've given you accurate information that you've simply chosen to deny.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Enlil]
#17212785 - 11/13/12 01:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not denying it. I know my rights and know that its unlawful to arrest people that aren't breaking the law.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Tsukasa]
#17212798 - 11/13/12 01:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then you really don't know.
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Tsukasa]
#17212855 - 11/13/12 02:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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TriGeoLight said: I'm not denying it. I know my rights and know that its unlawful to arrest people that aren't breaking the law.
 Just go ahead and quit posting about this... There is a huge difference between police brutality and taking someone downtown because they think they have an illegal powder... W/ the latter, you have no law suit... The police can "detain" you for as long as they like, without arresting you, while they investigate... You would have no case...
Now if the officer rips you out the car through your window and beats your ass for no reason, then you might have a case... Until then, dont talk out your ass about shit you dont know about...
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: total]
#17212964 - 11/13/12 02:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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they cant arrest you unless the believe it's illegal and they have test in there car to help them determine what drug it is any ways. If they knew it isn't illegal from doing test and after he explains it to him it would be unlawful. detaining and arresting are completely different things. yes they can detain you for as long as they want. they cant arrest you with
http://www.jkrlaw.com/video-qa/how-long-can-i-be-detained/
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-you-get-arrested-without-charges--225223.html
http://www.ehow.com/facts_7543777_can-charged-crime-arrest.html
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: Tsukasa]
#17216841 - 11/14/12 03:45 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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TriGeoLight said: Why would he get a felony arrest if it's not scheduled?
Because they don't gc/ms the substance when they do an arrest. They do a marquis test, among other things, and any indole/tryptamine/almost anything will test positive for some drug.
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I would think if it's not scheduled under federal or his state laws he can walk around all he wants with it.
If he doesn't mind felony arrests and completely trusts the police drug testing lab to get the correct results 100% of the time, and doesn't mind paying $20,000 bail, that is true.
Of course the police lab is always completely honest and would never dry lab you.
"“Dry-labbing is probably the most sinful thing that a chemist can do because it is essentially cheating,” said Thomas E. Workman, a criminal defense lawyer who teaches courses on scientific evidence at the University of Massachusetts Law School."
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2012/09/30/how-chemist-drug-lab-scandal-circumvented-safeguards/A29LZnAw1eW4hvjn4xX7rL/story.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57522579-504083/annie-dookhan-chemist-at-mass-crime-lab-arrested-for-allegedly-mishandling-over-60000-samples/
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What are they going to do other than give him shit for it and think they got him for some thing that's not illegal.
Put him in jail with $20k bail.
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If it's not illegal there's nothing to worry about.
A felony arrest stays on your record forever, even if there is no conviction. And it's really expensive to get out of jail. If you are found innocent, you don't get that money back unless you paid the bail in cash. If you don't have 20k in cash, you pay a bail bondsman $1500, and you don't get that back.
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They can't arrest you for not breaking the law.
Yes they can, police do that every day. It's completely legal, and as long as they had probable cause, you have no recourse. You can't sue the police unless they break the rules. If their drug test kit says it's drugs and they arrest you, they aren't breaking any rule.
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/legal_profession/2008/07/criminal-defens.html
http://duinewsblog.org/2012/09/28/annie-dookhan-disaster/
"False positives for illegal GHB, similar to Rohypnol, are being reported from everyday shampoos and soaps, even some made by Palmolive and J&J. It may have started from the 2007 arrest -- and nearly four awful days in county jail -- of Germs punk rock drummer Don Bolles for possession of GHB "found" in his peppermint Dr. Bronner's soap, in his van on the way to an AA meeting. (Profiling?) GHB was detected by the ODV brand reagent sold for the field, specifically the NarcoPouch 928. "
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You can take legal action against the force if they do it's an abuse of power and an unlawful arrest.
If they had probable cause to arrest you, then you can't take any legal action against them. If their field test kit says it's drugs, then it's a legal arrest, and you have no recourse. The field drug test kit will say almost anything is drugs, especially if somewhere in the molecule there is an indole or tryptamine structure. Almost everything has ingredients that are indoles or tryptamines, these molecules are the basic building blocks of life. They are also the basic building blocks of many illegal drugs, an unfortunate coincidence for the criminal defendant.
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TriGeoLight said: Well I'm pretty sure they can test it on site to see what it is. Yes you can sue for unlawful arrest. People do it all the time.
Flour field tests positive for cocaine. Chocolate field tests positive for hashish.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2009/mar/06/feature_citing_startling_researc
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TriGeoLight said: Immunity my ass thats why you hear about people suing and winning and filing complaints on officers all the time in cases over police brutality.
This isn't brutality - it's a lawful arrest based on probable cause. If they follow the rules, they have immunity. If they test your drugs and it says positive, they are supposed to arrest you. It doesn't matter that many household substances and almost all legal RC's will test positive. This isn't GC/MS, it's a simple color change reaction.
GC/MS is needed for a conviction, but not for an arrest.
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If your arrested and your not breaking the law you have rights to file complaints on the officer
False. They can legally arrest you if they even suspect you are breaking the law. Doesn't matter if you actually are.
The standard of evidence needed for an arrest is probable cause. There are a lot of things you could do that would give them probable cause, but isn't actually against the law. Carrying a ziplock baggie of flour is a good example of an activity that isn't illegal, but would give the police probable cause to arrest you.
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and they keep kits in the car so they can check what kind of drug it is to if you didn't know that.
Those kits work about as well as a walmart chemistry set. But they give the police the probable cause that they need to take you in and cover their ass legally.
The Narcopouch 928 wouldn't lie.
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That's like saying a cop will arrest you for having powdered sugar in a sandwich bag in your car and claim its coke.
People have been arrested on cocaine charges for having old dried out gum wrapped in tinfoil in their car. It field tests positive for drugs, several months later the gc/ms says that it isn't drugs, so the case gets dropped. But unless the people pay a very large bail, they remain in jail for those months.
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TriGeoLight said: If he's not breaking any laws and they arrest him that's a great fucking definition of unlawful arrest.
If the police arrest you for nothing, you can sue them. If they have probable cause, which is a pretty low standard of evidence, you have no legal recourse.
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TriGeoLight said: I'm not denying it. I know my rights and know that its unlawful to arrest people that aren't breaking the law.
You couldn't be more wrong. Breaking the law is not a requirement for an arrest in the US. They only have to prove that they suspected that you might be breaking a law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause
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Re: How safe is it to order 4-aco-dmt online [Re: total]
#17218561 - 11/14/12 01:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well then all he has to do is have him and his attorney demand that it be retested and argue that the test test false 70% of the tim. keep the receat from where he got it if its not illegal and he'll have proof that its not illegal and it will be retested. Your proof was that false positives are very common but how many of them take a stupid as plea or demand it be retested.
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