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compost, poo , straw, or what!
    #1719815 - 07/16/03 01:15 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

which is the best combo or is one better straight for spawning cakes. Don't quite understand the benefits of each. Thanks


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: thisone]
    #1719826 - 07/16/03 01:19 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

IMO the poo/straw mixture. Just straw if your begining with bulk spawn. The benefit is more nutrients, alot more, and youll get many more, bigger, potent mushrooms.


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #1719845 - 07/16/03 01:23 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

you mean just straight straw for beginners? Where is the potency from the straw or dung? What about size, I thought poo was where the size was from.


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: thisone]
    #1719890 - 07/16/03 01:39 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Straw is less prone to contamination than poo. Potency depends on how they were grown i.e. growing medium/water content/substrate depth and so on. Straw has more nutrients than an ordinary PF cake, but poo has more than straw, but is more easily contaminated. But if you can manage both, they make a great combination.


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #1719901 - 07/16/03 01:43 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

what is a safe ratio?


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: thisone]
    #1719906 - 07/16/03 01:44 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

50/50.


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #1719920 - 07/16/03 01:48 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

okay because in one grow I saw them mix the spawn in with just straight poo and mix it up and other said layer between straw and poo just flat. and they are just fruited in perlite chambers same as casings right?


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: thisone]
    #1719960 - 07/16/03 02:05 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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okay because in one grow I saw them mix the spawn in with just straight poo and mix it up and other said layer between straw and poo just flat.



There are many different ways to grow, and many different ratios, I was just giving a basic number. And yes, they can be fruited in a normal perlite chamber.


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #1719970 - 07/16/03 02:08 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

because it seemed like the act of mixing as opposed to layering would create more innoculation points.


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    #1720872 - 07/16/03 09:40 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: Quintessence]
    #1720964 - 07/16/03 10:43 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

because it's true.

straw contaminates much easier than poo. i'd say use straight poo or a mix of both... not many people use compost, but i've heard it can be better than poo. i think it depends on the compost.


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: Quintessence]
    #1721010 - 07/16/03 11:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Its commonly accepted that straw contaminates easier than Poo.



My friend would have to disagree. He has grown on both and prefers a combination of the two, but either can be used successfully with basic cleanliness procedures.


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    #1721033 - 07/16/03 11:15 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: Quintessence]
    #1721649 - 07/16/03 03:17 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

combination of both work great for a foaf here is dung / straw very compressed 6 inches deep with 1" verm/ peat casing day 2 of pinning there are hundreds from what i can see developing strain is Amazonian



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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: Quintessence]
    #1721861 - 07/16/03 04:34 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I_was_the_walrus said:

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Straw is less prone to contamination than poo.




Its commonly accepted that straw contaminates easier than Poo.




You dont say? Ive encountered many more problems with poo than with straw. Friends of friends would also agree. But your friends of friends would disagree. Could be due to different sterilization procedures, growing techniques. Ide bet its different for different people. However it couldnt hurt to hear some more input.


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #1722071 - 07/16/03 05:46 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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i saw that episode yesterday, its byfar the best one they've done


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: SMAGE]
    #1722078 - 07/16/03 05:48 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

HA! Me too. I was laughing so hard I just had to quote it.


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #1722143 - 07/16/03 06:10 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

LMAO I saw that shit too I laughed so hard when he had his pimp hat on


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: pacodestroys]
    #1722617 - 07/16/03 08:42 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

how is compressing it superior to mixingthe spawn up with it. Or is each layer kept seperate for a reason or is it just growing style?


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: thisone]
    #1722637 - 07/16/03 08:46 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

the picture above are from a 50/50 mixture mixed very well it was spawned in layers about 1" layer poo/straw then good layer spawn mixed up. then another 1" layer poo/straw then spawn and so on till desired depth not like 3"straw then 3" of poo over that . i like to compress it very tight so it colonizes very fast with good heat build up


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: FallenShroom]
    #1722661 - 07/16/03 08:52 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome. thanks. Is there anything else you think is key. AFOAF has some jars that are about ready to be birthed and he was thinking about trying to spawn a mini casing to see how he fares. the rest will be kept cakes which he is comforatable with. There are more jars awaiting experimentation. Will this work with a mini casing for practice?


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: thisone]
    #1722675 - 07/16/03 08:55 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

sure will you can spawn 1 cake to a large amount of poo straw when i spawn poo/straw with brf cakes i put the brf cakes in a blender then sprinkle good amount and mix together try it for practice with one cake you will be amazed


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: FallenShroom]
    #1722688 - 07/16/03 08:59 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

how much substrate? the container I had in mind was six inches long 4 wide and 3 deep. IS that too small?


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: thisone]
    #1722737 - 07/16/03 09:11 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

no its perfect for your first spawn and will recover that much faster for the amount of spawn it just take hand full poo and some cut straw pasterize it 170 degrees for about 1 to 1 1/2 hours let cool drain well squeez water out and mix leave enough room for about 1/2 casing layer


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: FallenShroom]
    #1723069 - 07/16/03 11:09 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

can they be pasterized together?


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Re: compost, poo , straw, or what! [Re: thisone]
    #1767014 - 07/31/03 07:46 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to bump this up for a quick question...

Define "compressing".

Do you compress/push down and "tighten" your layers?

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