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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: Lynnch]
    #17192819 - 11/09/12 10:41 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Hahaha ok, deny simple obvious truths. Without educated workers and roads, you would not be in business. Or would you prefer to pay the cost of individually k-15 educating every employee you need?




It is a simple truth that the education system is an abject failure and has been so more and more as the federal government has gotten involved.  It should not be a federal concern at all.  I'm not even sure it should be a government concern.  If you have a kid you should pay for it.  If I don't I shouldn't.  Most rivate schools are much better, cheaper, and more accountable and if you don't like one you can go to another.  The same goes for roads. 

Why do you keep babbling about roads?  They are an almost invisible part of the budget.
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And you STILL havent answered my question. What are your guys giving me for my tax contribution? A standing army? That hardly puts food on my plate.




A standing army is obviously the purview of the federal government.  Put your own fucking food on your plate.  You are really making my argument extremely well, i.e. that the Dems are the party of bums and panhandlers.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #17192835 - 11/09/12 10:45 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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that the Dems are the party of bums and panhandlers.




its this sort of aggressive and in your face mentality that the GOP needs to embrace in order to win the next election. demonizing poor people and people that vote dem is the best way to get your political views heard and accepted. Keep up the strong work!!!


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #17192843 - 11/09/12 10:46 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Hahaha I'm trying to fucking help you. Yet you still can't give me ONE DAMN REASON why I would ever want to vote republican. It's sad at this point.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: Lynnch]
    #17192851 - 11/09/12 10:48 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

would it be wrong to say that anybody who is fundamentally democratic or republican should be swiftly kicked in the vagina and never be  allowed to touch or even think politics (hence, ending their existence, because all they know is politics)? then I think, the country would see change.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: pfxtc]
    #17192859 - 11/09/12 10:49 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

But its a two party system :lol:


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: Lynnch]
    #17192865 - 11/09/12 10:51 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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But its a two party system :lol:




Exactly :suicide:


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: pfxtc]
    #17192870 - 11/09/12 10:51 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: SlashOZ]
    #17192875 - 11/09/12 10:53 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
that the Dems are the party of bums and panhandlers.




its this sort of aggressive and in your face mentality that the GOP needs to embrace in order to win the next election. demonizing poor people and people that vote dem is the best way to get your political views heard and accepted. Keep up the strong work!!!



If they don't why should I bother with them?

How have I demonized poor people?  Not everybody who is poor is a bum or a panhandler.  I been broke.  Didn't ask for anything but a job.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: Lynnch]
    #17192893 - 11/09/12 10:55 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Hahaha I'm trying to fucking help you. Yet you still can't give me ONE DAMN REASON why I would ever want to vote republican. It's sad at this point.



You should vote Republican if you believe that the best way to prosperity is not through enabling the population to be children.  I don't want your help any more than I want the government's.  It is wrongly applied and of no use.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: supernovasky]
    #17192910 - 11/09/12 10:59 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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I am fundamentally a Democrat, because I believe in 95% of the Democratic party's platform.

I think that its OK if someone is Republican, and OK if someone is a Democrat, same with any other party.

If our ideas don't work, then other, better ones will win out. That's just the way the world works.



I very much agree with this. What is extremely negative is when you rely on the views an outside group to form your opinions and shape all your beliefs to match theirs just for the purpose of reducing your cognitive dissonance. I don't see what's so negative about forming your own opinions and then aligning yourself with the party that most closely matches your own personal beliefs. :shrug:


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #17192915 - 11/09/12 11:00 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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You should vote Republican if you believe that the best way to prosperity is not through enabling the population to be children.  I don't want your help any more than I want the government's.  It is wrongly applied and of no use.



What's the point of living together in a society if we're not going to help each other? :confused:


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #17192929 - 11/09/12 11:03 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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supernovasky said:
I am fundamentally a Democrat, because I believe in 95% of the Democratic party's platform.

I think that its OK if someone is Republican, and OK if someone is a Democrat, same with any other party.

If our ideas don't work, then other, better ones will win out. That's just the way the world works.



I very much agree with this. What is extremely negative is when you rely on the views an outside group to form your opinions and shape all your beliefs to match theirs just for the purpose of reducing your cognitive dissonance. I don't see what's so negative about forming your own opinions and then aligning yourself with the party that most closely matches your own personal beliefs. :shrug:




It's my personal belief that grouping of individuals into parties like the democrats/republicans/republicrats is just another way for people to be labeled and separated, and in the end the voice of the individual is completely lost and forgotten. I think that this country only ever has 2 choices every 4 years is a complete travesty, and I think that the choices made probably don't even have real significance in the first place, which is even further a travesty. Do people really think that if Romney was elected, that their life would be any different? I've been on this planet for 22 years and not once do I ever recall the president actually affecting my day to day life, maybe I'm just weird or too young.

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You should vote Republican if you believe that the best way to prosperity is not through enabling the population to be children.  I don't want your help any more than I want the government's.  It is wrongly applied and of no use.



What's the point of living together in a society if we're not going to help each other? :confused:




Everyone is forced into it :lol: Maybe that's why there's so many problems?


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #17192942 - 11/09/12 11:06 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
You should vote Republican if you believe that the best way to prosperity is not through enabling the population to be children.  I don't want your help any more than I want the government's.  It is wrongly applied and of no use.



Oh thank god, there is light at the end of the tunnel. OK. I can understand that.  I just disagree that providing help and opportunities turns the population into children. And I think you do want the governments help, you just won't admit it.  I'd suggest that you swallow your pride and figure out how to correctly apply the government to help you (and therefore everyone) instead of fighting it.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: pfxtc]
    #17192955 - 11/09/12 11:09 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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It's my personal belief that grouping of individuals into parties like the democrats/republicans/republicrats is just another way for people to be labeled and separated, and in the end the voice of the individual is completely lost and forgotten.



You know what, I actually fully agree with this part of your post. It's something I wasn't really considering in my reply but it's a very insightful analysis of the problems that come when people label themselves and break off into groups. In-group/out-group situations are usually very damaging to intergroup relations and allow people to stop thinking for themselves.

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Everyone is forced into it :lol: Maybe that's why there's so many problems?



That's how a societal group has to work, though. You do your fair share, taxes for example, and then beyond that you can seclude yourself or decide to involve yourself and help others beyond the minimum. If you're going to benefit from the societal structures that are in place then you need to put something into it. (Here comes zappa with his insults about how tit sucking liberals don't contribute to the system, only business owners like him do. :rolleyes:)


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #17192987 - 11/09/12 11:16 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Hahaha I'm trying to fucking help you. Yet you still can't give me ONE DAMN REASON why I would ever want to vote republican. It's sad at this point.




No shit, most of us are trying to help him. His anti Obama ism is about as one sided as my anti Bush ism. I can at least admit Bush did two good things in his presidency, and they are ALL on this list:

http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/bush_tax_rebate.htm

Even after we found no WMDs, Zapp still backs Bush's invasion of Iraq, even though the U.N. could have found some other country to remove Saddam from power. Oh well, one way Zappas lost the right sided election and hes got too many oil hoarding policies shoved in his ear to understand Republican horse shit like his will lose the next race also.


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It's like the trick to human problems is to be even more human. Not less human but as human as possible, only understanding human nature.

Understanding subtleties is hard. What is subtle? Subtle is powerful. Atoms are subtle. Atoms make up everything we are. Understanding subtleties is one of the hardest parts of life.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #17193265 - 11/10/12 12:23 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
Hahaha ok, deny simple obvious truths. Without educated workers and roads, you would not be in business. Or would you prefer to pay the cost of individually k-15 educating every employee you need?




It is a simple truth that the education system is an abject failure and has been so more and more as the federal government has gotten involved.  It should not be a federal concern at all.  I'm not even sure it should be a government concern.  If you have a kid you should pay for it.  If I don't I shouldn't.  Most rivate schools are much better, cheaper, and more accountable and if you don't like one you can go to another.  The same goes for roads. 

Why do you keep babbling about roads?  They are an almost invisible part of the budget.
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And you STILL havent answered my question. What are your guys giving me for my tax contribution? A standing army? That hardly puts food on my plate.




A standing army is obviously the purview of the federal government.  Put your own fucking food on your plate.  You are really making my argument extremely well, i.e. that the Dems are the party of bums and panhandlers.




The federal governement is involved in schools more now than in the past because fucking red states were graduating (not really, the drop out rate in red states is ridiculous) retarded children who think gravity is a liberal conspiracy and the earth is 5800 years old. Where I live, the public schools are better than the private schools.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: koods] * 1
    #17193287 - 11/10/12 12:27 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Bush did all the fucked up shit that lead to the bad economy, no one could pull it out of the tank any faster.  I think Obama did a decent job of his first term, now it gets serious tho.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #17193386 - 11/10/12 12:53 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Bush did all the fucked up shit that lead to the bad economy, no one could pull it out of the tank any faster.  I think Obama did a decent job of his first term, now it gets serious tho.




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It's like the trick to human problems is to be even more human. Not less human but as human as possible, only understanding human nature.

Understanding subtleties is hard. What is subtle? Subtle is powerful. Atoms are subtle. Atoms make up everything we are. Understanding subtleties is one of the hardest parts of life.


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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: pfxtc]
    #17193825 - 11/10/12 03:21 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: I still can't believe that Obama got re-elected with the economy so crappy [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #17193856 - 11/10/12 03:30 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

The crazies got their dream president, who provided them with an expensive and unjustifiable war. Now we got our guy in, so we're going to buy ourselves something nice, and those who don't like it can suck it.


A little helpful tip for the right:

Next election cycle, just keep your crazies (Bachman, Santorum, Gingrich, etc) down in the basement where they belong. Stop parading them around, reminding people that you are the party of batshit crazy sociopaths.


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