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Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals
    #17154081 - 11/03/12 03:25 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/03/us-greece-drugs-idUSBRE8A205Z20121103

Reuters) - German pharmaceuticals firm Merck KGaA is no longer delivering cancer drug Erbitux to Greek hospitals, a spokesman said on Saturday, the latest sign of how an economic and budget crisis is hurting frontline public services.

Drugmakers raised concerns with EU leaders earlier this year over supplies to the euro zone's crisis-hit southern half and Germany's Biotest in June was the first to stop shipments to Greece because of unpaid bills.

Publicly-owned hospitals in some countries worst hit by the euro zone debt crisis had been struggling to pay their bills, Merck's chief financial officer, Matthias Zachert, was quoted as saying by German paper Boersen-Zeitung in an interview on Saturday.

He said however that the only country where Merck had stopped deliveries was Greece.

"It only affects Greece, where we have been faced with many problems. It's just the one product," he told the paper.

A spokesman for the company told Reuters that the drug concerned was Erbitux and that ordinary Greeks can still purchase it from pharmacies.

Some countries have taken action to pay bills, such as in Spain, where the government has said it will help hospitals to pay off debts.

"That has improved things, even though the situation should still be regarded as critical for the coming years," Zachert said.

Erbitux is Merck's second best-selling prescription drug, bringing in sales of 855 million euros ($1.1 billion) in 2011 from treating bowel cancer and head and neck cancer. ($1 = 0.7785 euros)

(Reporting by Frank Siebelt and Victoria Bryan; editing by Patrick Graham)


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #17154419 - 11/03/12 04:26 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Oh no, the greeks will have to go without a chemotherapy that kills more than it saves.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033847_chemotherapy_cancer_treatments.html

Goodness me, maybe the greeks will turn to horrid evil terrorism such as cannabis or sodium bicarbonate, or the raymond rife resonator (which a team in south korea have "recently discovered" http://naturalsociety.com/scientists-successfully-kill-cancer-magnets/) or numerous other forms of medicine that actually work, rather than the rockerfeller allopathic medicine.


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #17155315 - 11/03/12 07:20 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh no, the greeks will have to go without a chemotherapy that kills more than it saves.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033847_chemotherapy_cancer_treatments.html

Goodness me, maybe the greeks will turn to horrid evil terrorism such as cannabis or sodium bicarbonate, or the raymond rife resonator (which a team in south korea have "recently discovered" http://naturalsociety.com/scientists-successfully-kill-cancer-magnets/) or numerous other forms of medicine that actually work, rather than the rockerfeller allopathic medicine.





That article is an utterly grotesque presentation of lies and misinformation.

Did you even bother to notice that half the sources referred to by that writer are blogs and message board posts?


I'm embarrassed for you for citing it in support of your stance.  What a disgrace.



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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17158506 - 11/04/12 10:02 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Visionary Tools said:
Oh no, the greeks will have to go without a chemotherapy that kills more than it saves.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033847_chemotherapy_cancer_treatments.html

Goodness me, maybe the greeks will turn to horrid evil terrorism such as cannabis or sodium bicarbonate, or the raymond rife resonator (which a team in south korea have "recently discovered" http://naturalsociety.com/scientists-successfully-kill-cancer-magnets/) or numerous other forms of medicine that actually work, rather than the rockerfeller allopathic medicine.





That article is an utterly grotesque presentation of lies and misinformation.

Did you even bother to notice that half the sources referred to by that writer are blogs and message board posts?


I'm embarrassed for you for citing it in support of your stance.  What a disgrace.





His sources aside, CHEMO is pretty bad.  It will only ever lengthen your life, never cure you.  And it shortens the life of many.

Cannabis is the cure...


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17159474 - 11/04/12 01:06 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh no, the greeks will have to go without a chemotherapy that kills more than it saves.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033847_chemotherapy_cancer_treatments.html

Goodness me, maybe the greeks will turn to horrid evil terrorism such as cannabis or sodium bicarbonate, or the raymond rife resonator (which a team in south korea have "recently discovered" http://naturalsociety.com/scientists-successfully-kill-cancer-magnets/) or numerous other forms of medicine that actually work, rather than the rockerfeller allopathic medicine.





That article is an utterly grotesque presentation of lies and misinformation.

Did you even bother to notice that half the sources referred to by that writer are blogs and message board posts?


I'm embarrassed for you for citing it in support of your stance.  What a disgrace.






Yeah. I'm happy citing this. Even if a barely coherant tramp told me that: "chemo (poison) and radio (burn) therapy were bad for you, 'scuse us boss but could you spare some change?" I'd cite them.

I think it's one of those techniques I learned from the BBC. You say something you believe in, like: "Radiation causes cancer, radiotherapy uses radiation to burn out the cancer." then you turn to your "expert" and say: "Isn't that right expert?" Then they agree with you, going into the details of why say, chemotherapy is bad for you, linking to say, forms of chemotherapy that work but are less bad, like cannabis, or b17, or even vitamin C" and then you could even consult another expert, preface a bit on nutrition, then that expert could go onto say:

"Yes it's been found that garlic, tumeric, ginger and cannabis have anti-cancer properties and should be included in the diet to safeguard against the likelyhood of developing a malignant tumour later on in life."

And then, that makes one person seem a lot more credible. Because it's no longer one person, it's a bunch of them. In time, the person that coordinates these experts looks credible themselves for their ability to get the pertinent person into the council.

And, cos people ask for sources. I'm happy to share stuff I've already read. I can always learn from their insights, if they choose to share them.


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: Cannashroom]
    #17160573 - 11/04/12 04:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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It will only ever lengthen your life, never cure you.







You have no idea what you're talking about.


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #17160599 - 11/04/12 04:25 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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linking to say, forms of chemotherapy that work but are less bad, like cannabis, or b17, or even vitamin C" and then you could even consult another expert
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Vitamin B17 aka Laetrile has never been proven to treat cancer under real scientific studies.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7033783

"One hundred seventy-eight patients with cancer were treated with amygdalin (Laetrile) plus a "metabolic therapy" program consisting of diet, enzymes, and vitamins. The great majority of these patients were in good general condition before treatment. None was totally disabled or in preterminal condition. One third had not received any previous chemotherapy. The pharmaceutical preparations of amygdalin, the dosage, and the schedule were representative of past and present Laetrile practice. No substantive benefit was observed in terms of cure, improvement or stabilization of cancer, improvement of symptoms related to cancer, or extension of life span. The hazards of amygdalin therapy were evidenced in several patients by symptoms of cyanide toxicity or by blood cyanide levels approaching the lethal range. Patients exposed to this agent should be instructed about the danger of cyanide poisoning, and their blood cyanide levels should be carefully monitored. Amygdalin (Laetrile) is a toxic drug that is not effective as a cancer treatment."



If you're promoting medications like this, and saying "they work" and are better than standard treatments, I have to question your credibility and motives on this topic.


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17161309 - 11/04/12 06:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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It will only ever lengthen your life, never cure you.







You have no idea what you're talking about.




Haha, and you do?  I work as a research scientist in a Cancer research Centre.

Chemotherapy damages DNA and causes SECONDARY CANCERS and hence can never be a cure.  People go into remission, but they never escape using chemo (maybe a tiny fraction do).  It may take 5, 10, 20 years, but the cancer comes back.  This is because chemo doesn't address the body environment causing cancer.  There is a dynamic interaction of mutated genes, epigenetic changes and communations with the extra-cellular matrix.  Our reductionist methods have failed terribly, and it is time for a holistic systems-biology approach to treatment.  Something that takes into account both the cause and result, from molecule to ecosystem.  Chemo creates cancer in the enviroment in its production.  Cannabis heals in its production.

Cannabis is True Medicine.  Chemo is there to take all your money before you die.  And if you do survive, ensure you have more cancer in the future.


I am giving a lecture on Nov. 30 to my fellow researchers on how cannabis can cure cancer and is far superior to current treatments.

Cannabis is an anti-oxidant and protects DNA.  It kills Cancer cells and cures all the side effects (Pain, Depression, Anxiety, Cachexia, Nausea, Insomnia, etc).

Oh and its production will heal our planet at the same time.

Nature has it all figured out.  We just need to follow her lead.


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: Cannashroom]
    #17161608 - 11/04/12 06:55 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Haha, and you do?  I work as a research scientist in a Cancer research Centre.

Chemotherapy damages DNA and causes SECONDARY CANCERS and hence can never be a cure. 





If you think all chemotherapy works by that described mechanism, then YES, you have NO idea what you're talking about.


Not even CLOSE.


I am in pretty large doubt of your self proclaimed credentials or knowledge about the various cellular mechanisms of chemotherapy.


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17161966 - 11/04/12 08:08 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

And what are your credentials smoke. Dat interwebz MD



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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162029 - 11/04/12 08:20 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What's an interwebz MD?


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17162042 - 11/04/12 08:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly what it sounds like. You pretend to know what your talking about concerning medicine even though you have never had any medical training.

INB4 I'm an EMT/CNA

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162060 - 11/04/12 08:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Exactly what it sounds like. You pretend to know what your talking about concerning medicine even though you have never had any medical training.

INB4 I'm an EMT/CNA






So would a real medical doctor's opinion hold more weight in this discussion?  Is that what you're saying?


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17162087 - 11/04/12 08:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Exactly what it sounds like. You pretend to know what your talking about concerning medicine even though you have never had any medical training.

INB4 I'm an EMT/CNA






So would a medical doctor's opinion hold more weight in this discussion?  Is that what you're saying?





Yes I would say a guy who has  a minimum of 12 years of education on the issue would hold more weight in an argument than a bro who read some shit on the internet.

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162098 - 11/04/12 08:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What is it specifically about a doctor's training that makes you so confident that their opinion would matter so much more to you?


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17162112 - 11/04/12 08:32 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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What is it specifically about a doctor's training that makes you so confident that their opinion would matter so much more to you?




What is it about your ego that leads you to believe you know more about medicine than someone that has dedicated their life to researching it?

lemme guess to bad of grades and test scores for medschool?

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162116 - 11/04/12 08:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

So you really think doctors are that smart?  How smart do you honestly think they are?


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    #17162144 - 11/04/12 08:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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So you really think doctors are that smart?  How smart do you honestly think they are?




No I don't think they are that smart never said that. I said they know more than a layman, and that my ego isn't so massive that I disregard their advice due to some shit I read webmd. Not saying their aren't bad doctors, but i will take a bad doctors advice over some bro with an internet MD anyday.

Normally when people are so hostile towards doctors and think they know more than them, they are mad they didn't get accepted to medschool.

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162200 - 11/04/12 08:54 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

So you honestly think it takes intellect to become a real medical doctor?


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17162229 - 11/04/12 08:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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So you honestly think it takes intellect to become a real medical doctor?




Not necessarily but it helps and you at least have to be smart enough to play the game.

Confirmed for butthurt medschool applicant reject.

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162247 - 11/04/12 09:02 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Why do you think doctors need to be smart?  Sounds like a load of elitist bullshit.


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    #17162356 - 11/04/12 09:19 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Why do you think doctors need to be smart?  Sounds like a load of elitist bullshit.




I wasn't going to reply cuz i felt bad about making fun of you for getting rejected for med school but you asked for it.

What leads you to believe they aren't? because they denied your super genius self from their school? Maybe if you woulda spent more time studying and proving that you were dedicated to the pursuit of medicine they would've accepted you bro.

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162413 - 11/04/12 09:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You didn't even answer the question,

Again I'll ask, why do you think doctors need to be smart?


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17162425 - 11/04/12 09:31 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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You didn't even answer the question,

Again I'll ask, why do you think doctors need to be smart?




I didn't answer because its fucking retarded. Answer yours.

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162469 - 11/04/12 09:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

That's what I thought, you have NO answer.  As to why doctors need to be smart.  Just proves how empty your point is.


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17162507 - 11/04/12 09:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What? Ya getting a high GPA with on a path that requires a heavy science/ mathematics background and scoring well on the MCAT is easy.

Then why didn't you get accepted?

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162520 - 11/04/12 09:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that doesn't even answer the question.

What is it about doctors that makes you think they're smart?


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17162542 - 11/04/12 09:55 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

That they got a high GPA and high MCAT score and got into a highly competitive school.

Now answer yours.

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162593 - 11/04/12 10:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

That question doesn't apply to me.


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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #17162603 - 11/04/12 10:06 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Suuuuure it doesn't.

Dodged it so ill restate.

Why do you think doctors don't need to be smart

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Re: Germany's Merck halts supply of cancer drug to Greek hospitals [Re: elax420]
    #17162630 - 11/04/12 10:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

elax420 said:
Suuuuure it doesn't.






Ask around.


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