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Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me.
#17145692 - 11/01/12 10:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Was pulled over on my way to school today. Cop asked for my license and paperwork. Runs my name, plays 20 questions with me. He then asks if he can search my car, I decline the search.
The cop then asks me to step out of my vehicle, so I lock my car and shut the door behind me. They terry frisk me, tell me they pulled me over for a burnt out tail light, then make the argument that I am showing symptoms of being under the influence of meth. Mind you, I was stone cold sober.
They then force me to take a variety of field sobriety tests, and take my heart rate. After the tests, the officer says hes a "trained drug expert" and been doing this job a long time and he knows for a fact I am high on meth. Tells me he doesn't appreciate me lying and he doesn't need any proof that I am high to bring me in to drug test me.
I keep telling them I am sober. the two police officers then go chat for 15 minutes. The second officer comes back and plays good cop bad cop with me. Gives me two options, I can come down "voluntarily" to take the test, or they can treat it as a DUI and threatened to take my license away. I said ill take option C, neither because im not intoxicated. This whole charade was done 5 minutes from my work, on a very public intersection.
After another 20 minutes of me arguing my innocence, and them threatening me, they finally take down my information and let me go. Even though he "knows for a fact im high on meth".
My question- It appears they can infact arrest you merely on the officers suspicions and "expert" testimony that you are under the influence. However, if they pull your blood and you have drugs in your system from previous nights ago can they use that against you or is their some sort of time discretion on the blood test?
Pretty scary thought if a cop can stop you, arrest you, and force you to take a drug test no matter how sober you are at a time based solely on their bullshit fake field sobriety tests.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
#17148743 - 11/02/12 03:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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that fuckin cop was no expert... If he had you enough for a charge to stick you would be in jail... dont give in to the fuckin puppet masters.
FUCK THE POLICE
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: GBurger717]
#17148861 - 11/02/12 03:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cops lie because they're incentivized to do so and because they can corroborate each others' stories. Juries and judges believe cops almost unfalteringly in many places, making prosecution a simple matter.
For telling them "option C" I'm surprised you didn't get your ass beat. They've been known to murder people for much less.
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File a complaint. Threatening legal reprocussion for failure to voluntarily agree to a search is a violation of your civil rights and results in false convictions. They likely won't do shit, but get that complain in his file in case he does this again and some guy faces life in prison for something he didn't do because this guy threatened him into a false confession.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: johnm214]
#17151809 - 11/03/12 03:49 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: File a complaint. Threatening legal reprocussion for failure to voluntarily agree to a search is
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johnm214 said: File a complaint. Threatening legal reprocussion for failure to voluntarily agree to a search is a violation of your civil rights and results in false convictions. They likely won't do shit, but get that complain in his file in case he does this again and some guy faces life in prison for something he didn't do because this guy threatened him into a false confession.
This. Fuck them. Get your ass some money.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Enjoywho]
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It really brings me back to life to read so many people being cognizant of whats going on in America today. Authors like Michelle Alexander (The New Jim Crow), David Simon of the Wire, doctors, teachers, lawyers, judges, senators, congressmen and women, engineers, artists - people from all different "walks of life" being able to see tyranny and oppression and violence against peaceful people for what it is - anathema to our current system of "Do no harm" and "freedom" that's often paid a lot of lipservice but has never truly been realized.
It's really great.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Humility]
#17152002 - 11/03/12 06:41 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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There just tax paid gang. So a gang we pay for as citizens harassing citizens. That's what pisses me off most.
I pay your salary. Fuck off.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Enjoywho]
#17152698 - 11/03/12 10:28 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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danielx said: After another 20 minutes of me arguing my innocence, and them threatening me, they finally take down my information and let me go. Even though he "knows for a fact im high on meth".
I guess they were harrassing you because they didn't like that you said no to the search.
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My question- It appears they can infact arrest you merely on the officers suspicions and "expert" testimony that you are under the influence.
Yes. And perhaps tow your car.
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However, if they pull your blood and you have drugs in your system from previous nights ago can they use that against you or is their some sort of time discretion on the blood test?
Usually the DUI blood tests are looking for THC and other active drugs, not metabolites like workplace/probation drug tests. So it's likely that you would test negative, even if you used drugs the last night. Depending on the cutoff they use, it's possible though.
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Pretty scary thought if a cop can stop you, arrest you, and force you to take a drug test no matter how sober you are at a time based solely on their bullshit fake field sobriety tests.
Yes that is exactly how they work.
A daughter of a coworker got arrested at a DUI checkpoint in California because her makeup got into her eyes and made them red. She got a letter of apology one month later from the DMV.
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GBurger717 said: that fuckin cop was no expert... If he had you enough for a charge to stick you would be in jail... dont give in to the fuckin puppet masters.
The cop was probably a DRE, or drug recognition expert. It means he has been to a class that teaches him how to check your heart rate with an iphone and look at your pupils. Cops who have passed DRE classes can arrest people for public intoxication / DUI without first doing a chemical test for drugs.
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Enjoywho said: This. Fuck them. Get your ass some money.
You don't get money from the complaint - the cop just gets in trouble, possibly. A complaint is different from a lawsuit...
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17152756 - 11/03/12 10:40 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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However, if they pull your blood and you have drugs in your system from previous nights ago can they use that against you or is their some sort of time discretion on the blood test?
Usually the DUI blood tests are looking for THC and other active drugs, not metabolites like workplace/probation drug tests. So it's likely that you would test negative, even if you used drugs the last night. Depending on the cutoff they use, it's possible though.
Yet generally the metabolites, even inactive ones, can be enough for a conviction. In michigain, for example, its been held that finding any quantity of any analogue of a controlled substance, including metabolites that aren't active, in your body is enough for a DUI. So if you smoked pot 50 years ago and they find carboxy THC in your hair, you get a DUI.
Thus is the end of ramping up prohibition of drugs and politicians voting on shit they don't understand.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: johnm214]
#17152821 - 11/03/12 10:53 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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According to http://www.newapproachwa.org/sites/newapproachwa.org/files/I-502%20Factsheet%20-%20State%20DUI%20Per%20Se%20Cut%20Off%20Laws_0.pdf and http://winbackyourlife.org/michigan-now-more-tolerant-to-operating-under-influence-of-marijuana/, in Michigan it is illegal to drive with any THC in your system, but driving with THC metabolites is fine.
In some states, driving with THC metabolites is DUI, so if you smoke once, you DUI for at least a week.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17153025 - 11/03/12 11:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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See: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7802500#7802500
In many states this is probably the case due to the analogue laws and broad definition of what a substance is. By law they could charge you for possesion of THC equal to the weight of your body so far as I can tell.
More absurdites in the pursuit of the fantasy of total prohibition- something that never existed nor ever will.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: johnm214]
#17153061 - 11/03/12 11:43 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's shit like this that sickens me and police like that need to be stripped of their badge and publicly humiliated in front of their peers and family
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
#17153362 - 11/03/12 12:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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They do not have the power to drug test you unless you are involved in an accident in which there are serious bodily injuries. The pig was messing with you in the hopes of frightening you into admitting guilt. It's what they do.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17153570 - 11/03/12 01:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rail_Gun said: They do not have the power to drug test you unless you are involved in an accident in which there are serious bodily injuries. The pig was messing with you in the hopes of frightening you into admitting guilt. It's what they do.
you seem to have a contradictory opinion on the subject then what everyone has told me.
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Alan Rockefeller said: The cop was probably a DRE, or drug recognition expert. It means he has been to a class that teaches him how to check your heart rate with an iphone and look at your pupils. Cops who have passed DRE classes can arrest people for public intoxication / DUI without first doing a chemical test for drugs.
Sounds about right, add in looking at my tongue and making me count to 30 with my eyes close. According to him I failed every test because of my bodies involuntary reactions 
At the end of the day I knew filing a complaint wouldn't get me anywhere so I dropped it, but the way I see it they never got the pleasure of searching my car and I drove home a free man. I win
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
#17153604 - 11/03/12 01:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rail_Gun said: They do not have the power to drug test you unless you are involved in an accident in which there are serious bodily injuries. The pig was messing with you in the hopes of frightening you into admitting guilt. It's what they do.
you seem to have a contradictory opinion on the subject then what everyone has told me.
The information I'm relaying is per Barry Cooper in his Never Get Busted Traffic Stops video. He does a great job explaining your rights and what the pigs can or can not do.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
#17153613 - 11/03/12 01:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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At the end of the day I knew filing a complaint wouldn't get me anywhere so I dropped it, but the way I see it they never got the pleasure of searching my car and I drove home a free man. I win
Yes, and then when that cop does the same thing to the next guy and get's him to confess to a crime he hasn't committed he'll say under oath that he's never been accused of such a thing and the records will prove it.
You are making things worse.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17153663 - 11/03/12 01:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see your point. I dont remember their names now. Is there a way to find that out after the fact?
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17153710 - 11/03/12 02:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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The laws vary from state to state. I'm sure you can be completely sober and still be arrested under the suspicion of DUI. You might get off the charges come court time but you'll still needa pay bond money/towing fees and etc, oh and don't hold your breathe while waiting for an apology.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
#17154074 - 11/03/12 03:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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danielx said: I see your point. I dont remember their names now. Is there a way to find that out after the fact?
Probably. They have logs of stops at the dispatcher, and they surely ran your record, so all that crap is available to them. If you go in and complain about the time, date, and location, they'll be able to figure it out.
Nothing's going to happen, but you'll be protecting others, and if the guy keeps getting these complaints he'll have problems.
I had to do this some years ago for a cop that searched my car after a drug dog alerted. No illegal drugs were ever in that car, and I was watching the dog- he didn't alert. Hopefully if he pulls that shit in the future, the complaint will be present, as they generally don't keep track of the fuck ups.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Rail_Gun said: They do not have the power to drug test you unless you are involved in an accident in which there are serious bodily injuries.
In California, and most other states, the police can test your blood for drugs without needing a reason, if you are driving. It's happened to me - they tested by blood because my heart was beating too fast. Also I was dressed like a bum.
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Sounds about right, add in looking at my tongue and making me count to 30 with my eyes close. According to him I failed every test because of my bodies involuntary reactions
Yea, it's a bunch of BS to try to get you to admit to using drugs, because he already "knows". He could have arrested you at that point and taken your blood, but I guess they decided they messed with you enough.
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At the end of the day I knew filing a complaint wouldn't get me anywhere so I dropped it,
I agree - the cops were fucking with you, but that is what they are paid to do. They didn't break any rules or policies that I can see. If they had broken into your car and searched it, then it would be time to file a complaint.
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Rail_Gun said: The information I'm relaying is per Barry Cooper in his Never Get Busted Traffic Stops video. He does a great job explaining your rights and what the pigs can or can not do.
Where in the video does it say they can't test your blood unless you get into an accident? I can't believe that Barry Cooper would say anything so obviously incorrect...
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I agree - the cops were fucking with you, but that is what they are paid to do. They didn't break any rules or policies that I can see. If they had broken into your car and searched it, then it would be time to file a complaint.
Did you miss the part where they threatened him with criminal charges for failure to voluntarily waive his constitutional rights? This is the same shit that results in innocents on death row and in lesser wrongful convictions all the time. The person is told that they better say something or they'll be charged with murder one, and they start to make shit up or just agree to the details the police tell them. Then they wind up with a conviction.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said: Did you miss the part where they threatened him with criminal charges for failure to voluntarily waive his constitutional rights?
I guess I did. I went back and re-read the original post, and missed it again. Could you please quote that part of the post for me?
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a mod and another mod conflicting?
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It's not exactly a conflict, he might have spotted a violation that I missed.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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The second officer comes back and plays good cop bad cop with me. Gives me two options, I can come down "voluntarily" to take the test, or they can treat it as a DUI and threatened to take my license away.
He said they would charge him with a crime and take his license if he didn't waive his fourth amendment/fifth amendment rights and agree voluntarily to an invasive search of his person and detention of himself.
The cops can get a warrant or just arrest him and do that if they have the probable cause- scare tactics like this cause a lot of the false confessions.
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I agree that's shady.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said: He said they would charge him with a crime and take his license if he didn't waive his fourth amendment/fifth amendment rights and agree voluntarily to an invasive search of his person and detention of himself.
The cops can get a warrant or just arrest him and do that if they have the probable cause- scare tactics like this cause a lot of the false confessions.
Where is the law/decision that says that they can't do that?
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I was about to ask the same thing. LEOs lying, manipulating and using reverse psychology to get people to confess to crimes is nothing new.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
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danielx said: Was pulled over on my way to school today. Cop asked for my license and paperwork. Runs my name, plays 20 questions with me. He then asks if he can search my car, I decline the search.
The cop then asks me to step out of my vehicle, so I lock my car and shut the door behind me. They terry frisk me, tell me they pulled me over for a burnt out tail light, then make the argument that I am showing symptoms of being under the influence of meth. Mind you, I was stone cold sober.
They then force me to take a variety of field sobriety tests, and take my heart rate. After the tests, the officer says hes a "trained drug expert" and been doing this job a long time and he knows for a fact I am high on meth. Tells me he doesn't appreciate me lying and he doesn't need any proof that I am high to bring me in to drug test me.
This is the point where the cop starts lying. If the officer wants to take your blood or urine by force, he's gonna need a warrant. I don't see anything in your story that gives him anything close to probable cause for a warrant.
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I keep telling them I am sober. the two police officers then go chat for 15 minutes. The second officer comes back and plays good cop bad cop with me. Gives me two options, I can come down "voluntarily" to take the test, or they can treat it as a DUI and threatened to take my license away. I said ill take option C, neither because im not intoxicated. This whole charade was done 5 minutes from my work, on a very public intersection.
The cop did lie here, but whether or not this is a violation of your civil rights depends on the specific language used by the officers. Either way, he got pretty close to the line if he didn't cross it.
A cop can't use his authority to coerce you into giving up your rights. The line where the officer's conduct becomes "coercive" is when he threatens to take actions he can't legally take. Whether the officer did so here is unclear. If he did, you can definitely sue him under 42 u.s.c. 1983 (I'd really like to know how to insert the symbol for "section").
Such lawsuits don't require that you actually be arrested at all. You were detained for a long period of time, and you were inconvenienced. It appears that you were late for work as a result. You probably can find a lawyer to represent you in a suit because the statute has a clause making the defendant liable to reasonable attorneys fees. This is something that you should consider doing.
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After another 20 minutes of me arguing my innocence, and them threatening me, they finally take down my information and let me go. Even though he "knows for a fact im high on meth".
Most likely, if you had said "I'm done talking. Do whatever it is you're going to do so I can be on my way", the encounter would have been over sooner. As long as they have you talking, they assume there is a chance that you'll say something that will give them probable cause to search and/or arrest you.
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My question- It appears they can infact arrest you merely on the officers suspicions and "expert" testimony that you are under the influence. However, if they pull your blood and you have drugs in your system from previous nights ago can they use that against you or is their some sort of time discretion on the blood test?
It all depends on your state law. If your state allows a prosecution for bodily possession (in the blood stream), then you could be prosecuted. Of course, time is your friend here, and every hour makes the amount "possessed" much less significant.
As far as using trace amounts of drugs in your blood for some type of "driving while under the influence" charge...that's probably not going to work because they're going to have to be able to point to a threshold amount set by statute or some expert will have to testify about your level of competence at whatever your tested concentration was. In any case, you'd be arguing that they pulled you over for an equipment issue and not a driving issue...so...how impaired could you have been?
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Pretty scary thought if a cop can stop you, arrest you, and force you to take a drug test no matter how sober you are at a time based solely on their bullshit fake field sobriety tests.
The short answer is: They can't...The longer answer is: They sometimes do, and they sometimes get away with it...but generally, they can't.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Enlil]
#17171725 - 11/06/12 10:48 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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This thread makes me feel empowered and powerless at the same time.
It seems like if a cop really has it out for you they could get you into big trouble for something that might not even be true.
It makes me sad.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Enlil]
#17171794 - 11/06/12 11:04 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: (I'd really like to know how to insert the symbol for "section").
You mean like this: §
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#17171822 - 11/06/12 11:08 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Enlil]
#17171831 - 11/06/12 11:09 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#17172127 - 11/06/12 12:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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How is that "Drug Recognition Expert" shit not illegal? I can understand having the course, and having guys like that on their squad, but being allowed to make an arrest based solely on that, I believe, is a hardcore violation of rights.
As has been indicated in this thread, there are a lot of things that can mimic the signs of a particular drug's effect profile, from makeup in the eyes, or rubbing them, right down to sheer nervousness.
Between the fact that I've had a family member murdered by a police officer, and the fact that I've gotten plenty of harassment myself, my heart rate goes WAY up when I get pulled over, even if I know I'm 110% legal. A couple times it's been worse than just that.
Once I was a little shaky (this was within a couple years of the family death, etc) and the cop flat-out asked me why. I told him flat-out that cops make me nervous as hell. That seemed acceptable to him.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Enlil]
#17172275 - 11/06/12 12:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: If the officer wants to take your blood or urine by force, he's gonna need a warrant. I don't see anything in your story that gives him anything close to probable cause for a warrant.
They tested by blood forcibly in California a couple years back without a warrant. CA law includes complied consent for blood testing for drivers. The cop pulled me over for a seatbelt violation (he saw me take it off as I pulled up to my house), didn't like the large speakers in my back seat, checked my pulse with an iphone, said it was too high, arrested me under the suspicion of driving on drugs based on my pulse rate, and took my blood. I was not on drugs, but I was wearing bum-like clothing and just got back from mushroom hunting so I was covered with dirt and leaves.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17172290 - 11/06/12 12:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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You could have refused to let them take the blood. You would have lost your license, but you still could have refused. If you had, they would have needed a warrant.
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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Enlil]
#17172674 - 11/06/12 01:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good point.
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