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Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me.
    #17145692 - 11/01/12 10:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Was pulled over on my way to school today. Cop asked for my license and paperwork. Runs my name, plays 20 questions with me. He then asks if he can search my car, I decline the search.

The cop then asks me to step out of my vehicle, so I lock my car and shut the door behind me. They terry frisk me, tell me they pulled me over for a burnt out tail light, then make the argument that I am showing symptoms of being under the influence of meth. Mind you, I was stone cold sober.

They then force me to take a variety of field sobriety tests, and take my heart rate. After the tests, the officer says hes a "trained drug expert" and been doing this job a long time and he knows for a fact I am high on meth. Tells me he doesn't appreciate me lying and he doesn't need any proof that I am high to bring me in to drug test me.

I keep telling them I am sober. the two police officers then go chat for 15 minutes. The second officer comes back and plays good cop bad cop with me. Gives me two options, I can come down "voluntarily" to take the test, or they can treat it as a DUI and threatened to take my license away. I said ill take option C, neither because im not intoxicated. This whole charade was done 5 minutes from my work, on a very public intersection.

After another 20 minutes of me arguing my innocence, and them threatening me, they finally take down my information and let me go. Even though he "knows for a fact im high on meth".


My question- It appears they can infact arrest you merely on the officers suspicions and "expert" testimony that you are under the influence. However, if they pull your blood and you have drugs in your system from previous nights ago can they use that against you or is their some sort of time discretion on the blood test?

Pretty scary thought if a cop can stop you, arrest you, and force you to take a drug test no matter how sober you are at a time based solely on their bullshit fake field sobriety tests.


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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
    #17148743 - 11/02/12 03:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

that fuckin cop was no expert... If he had you enough for a charge to stick you would be in jail... dont give in to the fuckin puppet masters.

FUCK THE POLICE


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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: GBurger717]
    #17148861 - 11/02/12 03:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Cops lie because they're incentivized to do so and because they can corroborate each others' stories.  Juries and judges believe cops almost unfalteringly in many places, making prosecution a simple matter.

For telling them "option C" I'm surprised you didn't get your ass beat.  They've been known to murder people for much less.


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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx] * 1
    #17149234 - 11/02/12 05:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

File a complaint.  Threatening legal reprocussion for failure to voluntarily agree to a search is a violation of your civil rights and results in false convictions.  They likely won't do shit, but get that complain in his file in case he does this again and some guy faces life in prison for something he didn't do because this guy threatened him into a false confession.

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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: johnm214]
    #17151809 - 11/03/12 03:49 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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File a complaint.  Threatening legal reprocussion for failure to voluntarily agree to a search is
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File a complaint.  Threatening legal reprocussion for failure to voluntarily agree to a search is a violation of your civil rights and results in false convictions.  They likely won't do shit, but get that complain in his file in case he does this again and some guy faces life in prison for something he didn't do because this guy threatened him into a false confession.




This. Fuck them. Get your ass some money.


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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #17151977 - 11/03/12 06:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It really brings me back to life to read so many people being cognizant of whats going on in America today.  Authors like Michelle Alexander (The New Jim Crow), David Simon of the Wire, doctors, teachers, lawyers, judges, senators, congressmen and women, engineers, artists - people from all different "walks of life" being able to see tyranny and oppression and violence against peaceful people for what it is - anathema to our current system of "Do no harm" and "freedom" that's often paid a lot of lipservice but has never truly been realized.


It's really great.


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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Humility]
    #17152002 - 11/03/12 06:41 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

There just tax paid gang. So a gang we pay for as citizens harassing citizens. That's what pisses me off most.

I pay your salary. Fuck off.


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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #17152698 - 11/03/12 10:28 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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After another 20 minutes of me arguing my innocence, and them threatening me, they finally take down my information and let me go. Even though he "knows for a fact im high on meth".




I guess they were harrassing you because they didn't like that you said no to the search.


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My question- It appears they can infact arrest you merely on the officers suspicions and "expert" testimony that you are under the influence.




Yes.  And perhaps tow your car.


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However, if they pull your blood and you have drugs in your system from previous nights ago can they use that against you or is their some sort of time discretion on the blood test?




Usually the DUI blood tests are looking for THC and other active drugs, not metabolites like workplace/probation drug tests.  So it's likely that you would test negative, even if you used drugs the last night.  Depending on the cutoff they use, it's possible though.

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Pretty scary thought if a cop can stop you, arrest you, and force you to take a drug test no matter how sober you are at a time based solely on their bullshit fake field sobriety tests.




Yes that is exactly how they work.

A daughter of a coworker got arrested at a DUI checkpoint in California because her makeup got into her eyes and made them red.  She got a letter of apology one month later from the DMV.

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that fuckin cop was no expert... If he had you enough for a charge to stick you would be in jail... dont give in to the fuckin puppet masters.





The cop was probably a DRE, or drug recognition expert.  It means he has been to a class that teaches him how to check your heart rate with an iphone and look at your pupils.  Cops who have passed DRE classes can arrest people for public intoxication / DUI without first doing a chemical test for drugs.

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This. Fuck them. Get your ass some money.




You don't get money from the complaint - the cop just gets in trouble, possibly.  A complaint is different from a lawsuit...

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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17152756 - 11/03/12 10:40 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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However, if they pull your blood and you have drugs in your system from previous nights ago can they use that against you or is their some sort of time discretion on the blood test?




Usually the DUI blood tests are looking for THC and other active drugs, not metabolites like workplace/probation drug tests.  So it's likely that you would test negative, even if you used drugs the last night.  Depending on the cutoff they use, it's possible though.





Yet generally the metabolites, even inactive ones, can be enough for a conviction.  In michigain, for example, its been held that finding any quantity of any analogue of a controlled substance, including metabolites that aren't active, in your body is enough for a DUI.  So if you smoked pot 50 years ago and they find carboxy THC in your hair, you get a DUI.

Thus is the end of ramping up prohibition of drugs and politicians voting on shit they don't understand.

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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: johnm214]
    #17152821 - 11/03/12 10:53 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

According to http://www.newapproachwa.org/sites/newapproachwa.org/files/I-502%20Factsheet%20-%20State%20DUI%20Per%20Se%20Cut%20Off%20Laws_0.pdf and http://winbackyourlife.org/michigan-now-more-tolerant-to-operating-under-influence-of-marijuana/, in Michigan it is illegal to drive with any THC in your system, but driving with THC metabolites is fine.

In some states, driving with THC metabolites is DUI, so if you smoke once, you DUI for at least a week.

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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17153025 - 11/03/12 11:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

See:  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7802500#7802500


In many states this is probably the case due to the analogue laws and broad definition of what a substance is.  By law they could charge you for possesion of THC equal to the weight of your body so far as I can tell. 

More absurdites in the pursuit of the fantasy of total prohibition- something that never existed nor ever will.

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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: johnm214]
    #17153061 - 11/03/12 11:43 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It's shit like this that sickens me and police like that need to be stripped of their badge and publicly humiliated in front of their peers and family

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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
    #17153362 - 11/03/12 12:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

They do not have the power to drug test you unless you are involved in an accident in which there are serious bodily injuries. The pig was messing with you in the hopes of frightening you into admitting guilt. It's what they do.


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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17153570 - 11/03/12 01:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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They do not have the power to drug test you unless you are involved in an accident in which there are serious bodily injuries. The pig was messing with you in the hopes of frightening you into admitting guilt. It's what they do.




you seem to have a contradictory opinion on the subject then what everyone has told me.

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The cop was probably a DRE, or drug recognition expert.  It means he has been to a class that teaches him how to check your heart rate with an iphone and look at your pupils.  Cops who have passed DRE classes can arrest people for public intoxication / DUI without first doing a chemical test for drugs.





Sounds about right, add in looking at my tongue and making me count to 30 with my eyes close. According to him I failed every test because of my bodies involuntary reactions :facepalm:


At the end of the day I knew filing a complaint wouldn't get me anywhere so I dropped it, but the way I see it they never got the pleasure of searching my car and I drove home a free man. I win


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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
    #17153604 - 11/03/12 01:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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They do not have the power to drug test you unless you are involved in an accident in which there are serious bodily injuries. The pig was messing with you in the hopes of frightening you into admitting guilt. It's what they do.




you seem to have a contradictory opinion on the subject then what everyone has told me.



The information I'm relaying is per Barry Cooper in his Never Get Busted Traffic Stops video. He does a great job explaining your rights and what the pigs can or can not do.


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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: danielx]
    #17153613 - 11/03/12 01:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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At the end of the day I knew filing a complaint wouldn't get me anywhere so I dropped it, but the way I see it they never got the pleasure of searching my car and I drove home a free man. I win





Yes, and then when that cop does the same thing to the next guy and get's him to confess to a crime he hasn't committed he'll say under oath that he's never been accused of such a thing and the records will prove it.

You are making things worse.

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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17153663 - 11/03/12 01:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I see your point. I dont remember their names now. Is there a way to find that out after the fact?


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    #17153710 - 11/03/12 02:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The laws vary from state to state. I'm sure you can be completely sober and still be arrested under the suspicion of DUI. You might get off the charges come court time but you'll still needa pay bond money/towing fees and etc, oh and don't hold your breathe while waiting for an apology.

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    #17154074 - 11/03/12 03:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I see your point. I dont remember their names now. Is there a way to find that out after the fact?





Probably.  They have logs of stops at the dispatcher, and they surely ran your record, so all that crap is available to them.  If you go in and complain about the time, date, and location, they'll be able to figure it out.

Nothing's going to happen, but you'll be protecting others, and if the guy keeps getting these complaints he'll have problems.


I had to do this some years ago for a cop that searched my car after a drug dog alerted.  No illegal drugs were ever in that car, and I was watching the dog- he didn't alert.  Hopefully if he pulls that shit in the future, the complaint will be present, as they generally don't keep track of the fuck ups.

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Re: Harrassed by the police today, they threatened to bring me in and drug test me. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17154151 - 11/03/12 03:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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They do not have the power to drug test you unless you are involved in an accident in which there are serious bodily injuries.





In California, and most other states, the police can test your blood for drugs without needing a reason, if you are driving.  It's happened to me - they tested by blood because my heart was beating too fast.  Also I was dressed like a bum.


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Sounds about right, add in looking at my tongue and making me count to 30 with my eyes close. According to him I failed every test because of my bodies involuntary reactions





Yea, it's a bunch of BS to try to get you to admit to using drugs, because he already "knows".  He could have arrested you at that point and taken your blood, but I guess they decided they messed with you enough.

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At the end of the day I knew filing a complaint wouldn't get me anywhere so I dropped it,




I agree - the cops were fucking with you, but that is what they are paid to do.  They didn't break any rules or policies that I can see.  If they had broken into your car and searched it, then it would be time to file a complaint.

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The information I'm relaying is per Barry Cooper in his Never Get Busted Traffic Stops video. He does a great job explaining your rights and what the pigs can or can not do.




Where in the video does it say they can't test your blood unless you get into an accident?  I can't believe that Barry Cooper would say anything so obviously incorrect...

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