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kmIL
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new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow
#4852002 - 10/25/05 08:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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First of all, I bought a bunch of 1/2 pint jars but they werent the short and stout one that I was looking for, they are a bit taller, so I also bought a dozen 1 pint jars that are about the same height as the 1/2 pint jars but have more girth and hence more volume. I prepared the substrate by adding 2 cups of vermiculite per 1 cup brown rice flour. Before adding the flour I added about 1.8 cups of water to the vermiculite so it was moist, but not too wet. I loaded up the jars (top up side down) and put aluminum foil below the screw down part of the jar. I didn't read this in any of the techs, but it seemed it could help keep contamination out. I pressure cooked at about 15 psi for an hour and waited at least 5 hours for the canner to be cool (is this enough time, i really hope the jars werent too hot when i inoculated.). Now I have 12 jars inncoulated sitting ina 40 gallon plastic tub that I bought, and wiped down with disinfectant. I put some chlorox wipes on top of the jars to ward off any contamination and spray lysol disinfectant in the container once a day. Is this excessive protection against contamination? could any of these lead to the spores not germinating? If anything sounds suspect about my set up, let me know so I can change it. I really should have documented this with photos. Really hope i get some growth though!.
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: kmIL]
#4852043 - 10/25/05 09:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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First off, welcome and grats on starting out. If you are doing the straight up PF Tek I think unless the jars are widemouth you are going to have trouble birthing your cakes. Too late to worry about that though... Did you put the dry verm layer on top? All the Lysol and Clorox wipes sound a bit overkill to me. Pics would certainly help. I guess you will have to give it some time and see what happens...
Best of luck
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: kmIL]
#4852095 - 10/25/05 09:10 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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The aluminum foil is not necessary. Like doopy said, just use a dry verm layer. 1 hour at 15 psi is way too long for pf jars, 25 Min's would of done the job. You probably dried the substrate out allot doing that.
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: Psychoslut]
#4852386 - 10/25/05 09:48 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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The lysol could cause mutations as well as the wipes just let them set udisturbed( I know its hard) for about five days and then look for some little white spots where you stuck the needle. sounds like you will need something to cover the holes. I would put a square of foil over them, maybe wipe it with alcohol and let it dry then wrap it over it to stop anything tht might fall in there. Good Luck
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: rammbler]
#4852422 - 10/25/05 09:54 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cross your fingers 5 hours was long enough for cool down. That is kinda pushing it. Lets not jump the gun but if you fail this time next time give them overnight at least just to know thats not where the problem lies..
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: kmIL]
#4852508 - 10/25/05 10:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey Welcome. 
Now the bad news. If you made your jars up with 2 cups verm, 1 cup BRF and 1.8 cups water, I would say make some new jars. That is almost twice as much water as called for. The proper ratio should be 2:1:1, Verm., BRF and Water. You did 2:1:1.8. Can't see those jars working. Jars aren't a casing layer. Can't use the squeeze test when making jars. All ingredients need to be measured. Improper moisture content is about the number cause for failure in all substrates. From BRF to WBS to poo.
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kmIL
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: HippieChick]
#4853786 - 10/26/05 07:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I meant to say that I used a 2;1;1 vermiculite BR and water formula, the vermiculite was moist but not wet. Hopefully I didn't dry out the substrate too much with the excessive pressure cooking. There was aluminum foil on top of each of the jar because I was trying to avoid anything entering/leaving the jar. Hopefully I"ll know in five days if it worked or not. By the way, what is the maximum temperature spores can endure?
and the jars are tapered, they just arent the short shape.
Edited by kmIL (10/26/05 07:24 AM)
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: kmIL]
#4854479 - 10/26/05 12:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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An hour will be fine, I always did mine a hour.
Your jars will work fine also, I used the same ones and never had a problem getting them out 

As far as waiting 5 hours in the PC, I usually wait overnight.
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: HippieChick]
#4854510 - 10/26/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think they tolerate temps up to about 115f I thinkthats what I read somewhwere around here I wouldnt want to chace it though
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kmIL
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: rammbler]
#4882474 - 11/02/05 02:33 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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The cakes turned out great, they are colonizing quite rapidly because I've built an incubator and have the temps around 84 all day and all night. There is some good colonization going on around the areas where I inoculated and they are spreading fast. Hopefully these will be fully colonized within a couple of weeks. I do tend to peek in at least once a day to look at my jars and admire the mycelia, I can't help it. The introduction to light isn't going to cause my cakes to pin prematurely, will it? They are usually in the incubator and under a towel for insulation so they are usually in a dark environment, I was just reading something about having to prematurely birth cakes and I didn't want to send any of the fruiting signals to my cakes.
If anybody has any insight into that, plz post. Also, I was thinking of being ambitious and have bought everthing for a 50/50 casing layer including the lime hydrate and hte crushed oyster. I plan to take 3 or 4 of my jars (these are 1 pint widemouth, about 4 or 5 in tall) and put them in a casing layer. I know the bottom should be vermiculite, but I'm not sure how I should orient my substrate layer. Should I cut the cakes in half vertically and lay them out on top of the vermiculite and then apply the casing layer? I understand casing much more on a level of spawn substrate because you could essentially just "spread out" the spawn over your bottom layer and apply the casing. Is crushing the cake an idea? Any advice is appreciated. I will try to get pictures up soon but I can not find my USB cord, ARGH! Oh yeah, also, would it be a problem to put two cakes of different speicies in the same casing? I made the mistake of not labeling any of my strands. I have 12 1 pint Jars with 3 different species. Oh and if anybody has an estimate, what could I yield per 1 pint jar if I were to just birth these into a terrarium and hope for successive flushes?
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: kmIL]
#17132499 - 10/30/12 06:41 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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try to leave the cakes alone dont bother them too much and for the casing you would want to crush up the cakes
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: magicmycoman]
#17132556 - 10/30/12 06:48 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your confusing a bulk substrate with a casing layer. Two totally differnt things, and cubes donot need a casing layer.
A casing layer is a non nutritious top layer applied usually after 100% colonization to a bulk substrate for proper moisture retention and pinning.
People used to refer to bulk substrates as casings but not anymore, it just adds confusion.
So u would want to break up the fully colonized(but not consolidated) cakes into nickle sized peices in a baggy or with a cheese grater.
Then mix with the bulk substrate evenly and thoroughly, saving a tiny bit of the bulk substrate as a top, protective layer, just to cover the exposed cake peices.
Then wait for colonization.
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Edited by PussyFart (10/30/12 06:50 PM)
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: kmIL]
#17132896 - 10/30/12 07:41 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
kmIL said: The cakes turned out great, they are colonizing quite rapidly because I've built an incubator and have the temps around 84 all day and all night.
Incubating in the 80s is outdated information, temps above 80 promote contamination. You want mid-70s. Also it is best to colonize on a 12/12 light/dark cycle. Colonizing in the dark is also outdated. Watch the letsgrowmushrooms.com videos. RR lays out all the basics in those.
Edit: I see now this is an ancient post in that regard, you are doing just fine, carry on.
Edited by Tryptd (10/30/12 07:44 PM)
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: Tryptd]
#17132957 - 10/30/12 07:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread was seven year ago. I would hope he knows how to do it by now lol. Its still helping new people today i guess
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: Theshift]
#17132967 - 10/30/12 07:53 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow i didnt even notice that...wow
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: PussyFart]
#17144746 - 11/01/12 08:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow i feel like an idiot
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: magicmycoman]
#17144792 - 11/01/12 08:28 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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All i gotta say is hehehehehe
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: zepski]
#17144806 - 11/01/12 08:30 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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ahahahhahahahhahah
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Re: new to the hobby, seeking advice on first grow [Re: kmIL]
#17144853 - 11/01/12 08:30 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Hmmm.. I hope the grow has been completed. If not...
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