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Offlineingo_2001
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blotting paper
    #1714060 - 07/14/03 02:02 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone know hypothetically speaking, whether it's possible to extract psilocybin using ethonol, then reducing it down as much as possible and impregnating the liquid into blotting paper?

Would the blotting paper hold the desired chemicals once dried?

I know the psilocin would be lost with storage, but how long would the ester last?


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Re: blotting paper [Re: ingo_2001]
    #1714557 - 07/14/03 04:04 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i may be wrong, but i thought:

max saturation on paper = about 500 micrograms

average dose of psilocybin = about 10 - 15 milligrams


seems like each 'hit' would have to be pretty damn big LOL

but, like i said, i might be wrong. . .


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Re: blotting paper [Re: ]
    #1714609 - 07/14/03 04:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

you are absolutely right. As well as the fact that you would have to do a very good extraction to get that pure of an extract. (for it to be 15mg for activity). You're not talking about LSD here, which is active in VERY low ammounts. You're talking about psilocybin, which requires a decent dosage for threshold.


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Re: blotting paper [Re: Raadt]
    #1714646 - 07/14/03 04:34 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

just use the liquid. fuck the paper. we aren't chemist you know!


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Re: blotting paper [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #1715119 - 07/14/03 06:43 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yeah that would be a good idea. but i guess you would just have liquid extract. take a shot...30 mins later be tripping balls :smile:


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Re: blotting paper [Re: crazycanadian]
    #1715166 - 07/14/03 06:54 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

but then you can't rip people off and tell them it's acid!

I think that was the posters point.


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Re: blotting paper [Re: Raadt]
    #1715294 - 07/14/03 07:24 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

LSD is sold as a liquid.....duh!

But the problem with that would be when they "come down" after 4 hours instead of 10. And wonder what the hell they've just taken. Hope you'd be out of town, sucka!




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Re: blotting paper [Re: Liquid Squid]
    #1715673 - 07/14/03 09:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I know lsd is in liquid but i can't think of any other reason to want 'tabs'.


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Edited by Raadt (07/14/03 09:13 PM)


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Re: blotting paper [Re: Raadt]
    #1715820 - 07/14/03 09:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

dude whys there so many scammin kids no days. seriously someones gonna start gettin hurt.

its kinda obvious that they wanted it to come across like Vita_A , but seroiusly. Arent you here growin mushies. aint that enough $ for ya.

i had to give my 2pennies


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Re: blotting paper [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1715890 - 07/14/03 10:06 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

That doesn't make sense to me though, isn't a dose of acid quite a bit cheaper than mushies?

Assuming you're getting decent stuff.


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Re: blotting paper [Re: Tantalus]
    #1716333 - 07/14/03 11:38 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i don't know about you. But mushies are free for me, if i ever want them. Or well, the cost of some dung (10c), and electricity to run a humidifier.

LSD on the other hand... is not.


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Re: blotting paper [Re: Raadt]
    #1716609 - 07/15/03 12:28 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:, if U soaked blotter paper in psilocybin extract, a dose would be like 8"x11" or more :lol: 


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Re: blotting paper [Re: deanofmean]
    #1716904 - 07/15/03 02:09 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

ditto.

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Re: blotting paper [Re: micro]
    #1717433 - 07/15/03 06:36 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yeah lsd is 100x stronger then psilocybin and 400x mescline
"the potency of lsd is phenomenal-10,000 doses per gram" from what uncle fester says and it is hands down the worlds strongest psychedelic drug out there so that's why psilocybin(magic mushrooms) can't be made to as small and as strong as lsd it's just not posible one drop of pure lsd will make hundreds of hit of lsd (one drop of lsd into distilled water) where as on the other hand one drop of pure psilocybin wouldn't get a hamster high


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Re: blotting paper [Re: Psilocybin_monkey]
    #1718042 - 07/15/03 02:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Obviously it can't be done... was maybe hoping you could fit a few milligrams on one blotter and then you would only need four or five. I thought that they would have soaked a dilute solution of LSD on blotters???

Was just an idea for myself to try, not to make money

I have successfully down an extraction using acetic acid but did not get any crystals from it and just wonder if I could have reduced it to a goo which I could soak into blotting paper, not to look like acid tabs, to make it more discrete and transportable.


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Re: blotting paper [Re: ingo_2001]
    #1718296 - 07/15/03 03:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yeah it don't hurt to ask people,that is what we are here for.there is a tek out there that you can make almost like a micro dot but bigger how much bigger i'm not sure but if you want i can see if i can find you the link to extract psilocybin and your left with a mush i guess then you mold or forum it to the shape you want when you done.

just let me know if you want the link


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Re: blotting paper [Re: Psilocybin_monkey]
    #1718465 - 07/15/03 04:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

sounds worth a try!


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Re: blotting paper [Re: ingo_2001]
    #1720443 - 07/16/03 04:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Note:you can use dried mushrooms powder aswell as mycelial material

EXTRACTION
Crumble and pulverize the dried mycelial material and combine each 100 mg of this material with 10 ml of methanol. Place the flask in a hot water bath for four hours. Filter the liquids with suction through a filter paper in a buchner funnel with Celite to prevent clogging. Collect and save the filtrate liquids. Heat the slurry (the mush in the filter paper) two more times in methanol as before, filter, and accumulate the liquids of the three extractions. To be certain that all of the alkaloids have been extracted do a small extraction with a portion of the used slurry and test with Keller's reagent (glacial acetic acid, ferrous chloride, and concentrated sulfuric acid). If there is a violet indication, alkaloids are still present and further extraction is in order.

In an open beaker evaporate the liquids to total dryness with a hot water bath or by applying a hair dryer. Be certain that all traces of methanol have been removed. The remaining residue should contain 25-50 percent psilocybin/psilocin mixture. Greater purification can be achieved, but would require other solvents and chromatography equipment and is hardly necessary.

Each 100 grams of dried mycelium should yield about 2 grams of extracted material. This should contain at least 500 mg of psilocybin/psilocin mixed or about fifty 10 mg doses. Theoretically psilocin should have the same effect upon the user as psilocybin. The only difference between the two is that the later has a phosphate bond which disappears immediately after assimilation in the body. In other words, in the body psilocybin turns into psilocin. Psilocybin is a fairly stable compound, but psilocin is very susceptible to oxidization. It is best to keep the extracted material in a dry air tight container under refrigeration. A sack of silica-gel can be placed in the container to capture any moisture that may enter.

DOSAGE
The standard dose of psilocybin or psilocin for a 150 lb person is a 6-20 mg dose. We will figure the average dose as 10 mg. The crude alkaloid extraction process given here yields a brownish crystalline powder that is at least 25 percent pure. Each mason jar should contain at least 50 grams of wet mycelium. After drying this would be about 5 grams of material. The crude material extracted from this should contain 25-30 mg of psilocybin/ psilocin or roughly 2-3 hits. This yield may very to some extent depending upon several factors. Many of these species contain less of these alkaloids than dose Psilocybe cubensis and the alkaloidal content of this species may very in different strains. Cultivation conditions have alot to do with yield too. Higher temperatures (75 degrees F.) cause more rapid growth but lesser psilocybin content than do lower temperatures (70 degrees F.) One must test each new batch of extracted material to determine the proper distribution of dosages. Depending on the potency of the mycelia and how well the extraction was conducted the dose may range between 25 and 100 mg. Also bear in mind that the dose varies for different individuals.

here's a good link for ya i hope this helps you out

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10392


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Re: blotting paper [Re: ingo_2001]
    #1720609 - 07/16/03 06:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

depends upon the paper and how big the squares are concerning
how much of X substance it will hold... 15 mg would probably need
some big squares though. plus where are you going to get pure psilocybin from this should sell for more money then acid anyway.


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Re: blotting paper [Re: ingo_2001]
    #1721144 - 07/16/03 11:55 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Just not feasible:shake:
Try taking 30mg of pure psilocybin and pressing it into little tabs:tongue2:
That is, if you can get it pure (acid-base extraction).
Or just do what everybody else does and just consume the actual shrooms :wink:


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