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Casing what is the preferred choice?
    #1713623 - 07/14/03 09:26 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Having a tough time casing my B+ on Rye, using straw.

If you were using a B+ on rye what would you case it in?
Does the casing material yield different volumes? And do different material raise or lower the probability of contamination?


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: nambi]
    #1713658 - 07/14/03 09:58 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Yo nam.

What problems are you having exactly? contam? no colonization?.....

straw is good, poop is better, both rock!!

describe what you are doing.. eh i mean you friend is doing?

only YOU can prevent contams.. don't really matter wich material you use if you do it right!


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: nambi]
    #1713765 - 07/14/03 11:17 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

check your processes and terminology - the casing is the thin layer on top that keeps it moist (among other benefits) but should not be nutritious like straw.

rye can be spawned into straw just fine, but when you come to put the casing layer on, you want it to contain only peat / verm / coir / potting soil at a pinch, possibly also something to get the pH right, if needed.

edit: hope that didn't come across as preachy. if you already knew this, then yes, the type and depth of substrate directly affect the yield. me, i'd use 90% straw, with some horsepoo for flavour. i'd make it about 5-6 inches deep. different stuff contams at different rates, for example hay contams like a bastard, and bran is also supposed to be difficult to keep clean.

when you pasteurise it, don't let the temp go above 180F - do not let it boil, or you're fucked.


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: shirley knott]
    #1713834 - 07/14/03 12:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

not always... i've had it boil before and got away with it... not the best thing do to mind you.. but it's not 100 % failure rate if it boils!!!

but shirley is right none-theless. keep it at 170 180 ish.


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: PooPs]
    #1714934 - 07/14/03 06:02 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Here is what I have been doing which is failing.

Colonized rye, when it is ready I pasteurized straw, let it hang overnight in a plastic bag over the sink, then taken that straw placed it in a Tupperware added the rye to it, added another layer of straw, covered it with plastic wrap and put the Tupperware lid on it.

I haven't used verm to cover the straw after, should I? I haven't seen this method used.


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: nambi]
    #1714983 - 07/14/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

ok i'm probly going start agrument here but fuck pasteurizing, all my shit contamed that way, STERLIZING has been good to me i know the pro's and conn's but hell what ever works.verm should work ok for a casing layer or coco coir if you can get it.put verm on the bottom of the casing also.

what's the plastic wrap for again,if i understand right your put it on your container then putting the lid on. wow!

i say cook the fuck out of that straw and never expose it to air after that if possible.spray the whole house with lysol and clean up good before making your casing.i'm sure you do this, but i don't know.
you can never be to sterle,good luck man


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: charvo]
    #1717602 - 07/15/03 08:31 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

So I should over the top layer of the straw with Verm? I haven't done this before but I have a shit load of it so that?s Not a problem. Do I moisten it too?


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: nambi]
    #1717652 - 07/15/03 09:10 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

yup,you should nuke the verm aswell.make it extra wet and nuke it for about 5 minutes in the microwave.

so put verm on the bottom and on the top and spawn and straw in the middle.

you should get some coco coir if you can and use it on top of your casing instead of the verm.i think it would work better,it doesn't rly colonize the coco coir but the mycelin will work it's way up through it looking for light.i've never used verm on the top but i just see it being to matted down making it hard for the mycelin to get through it.if you have to use verm on the top put it on lightly.

the reason i say it'll be matted down is cause the verm i have is that scoots,and it's rly fine.some of the other brands are more course grain as in bigger pieces.i would perfer that kind if i could find it.


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: charvo]
    #1717713 - 07/15/03 10:20 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

ok.. lets back up a few steps.

when you mix your straw and grain....:

1- if this plastic bin was used for anything at all in the past.. to store items.. or another infected casing... you have to clean it .. javex..

you can line this plastic bin with a new garbage bag.. they are clean when manufactured.

2- when you mix up the straw and grain, have 1:5 ratio of grain to straw. and have some colonized grain on top of the straw so that the mycelium can create a layer on top to protect the straw underneath. i recall you saying that you put straw on the top after layering things..
again::: KEEP ENOUGH GRAIN TO SPRINKLE SOME ON TOP!!!.

cover this with a lid.. can be plastic. foil. the lid that came with the bin.. what ever.. but no light should get thru at this point.. total dark.

after about 10 days or so.. the whole thing should be a white pattie.. at this point you can add a casing layer like wet verm.. coco.. peat... and incubate another few days until you see white poke thru the top.

I prefer coco cuz it's easier to see the mycelium poke thru.. verm is whiteish and hard to tell sometimes..

then you can fruit it!

there.. does that help!!!???


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: PooPs]
    #1717715 - 07/15/03 10:23 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

don't try to use a little bit of grain in a shitpile of straw to make a bigger bed... you will fail!! ratio 1:5... eventually once you get it down pat... 1:10 or more.. but for now!! i strongly recomment 1 : 5


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: PooPs]
    #1720724 - 07/16/03 08:34 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

This is great advice, I'm looking forward to trying this method, I've been trying now for such a long tie with little to no success and it can be very discouraging. Inoculated some jars last night so these will be my new project.


PS where can I find the coco coir


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Re: Casing what is the preferred choice? [Re: nambi]
    #1720916 - 07/16/03 10:03 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

coco coir = reptile bedding in pet stores.. sold in solid compressed bricks.


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