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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: venetianblinds]
    #17134755 - 10/31/12 02:02 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

heh. i said "stupidist"


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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: fuel on the fire] * 2
    #17134756 - 10/31/12 02:02 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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people who believe in multiple conspiracies, maybe

I KNOW what many people consider a conspiracy to be true. You really never know, too many people dismiss conspiracies as a whole just because of the misinformation and whackos.




Too many people dismiss conspiracies because they've been subject to behavioral attitude conditioning via the media. This sort of attitude conditioning can literally link real conspiracies to false or outlandish information and as the two things, the conspiracy and emotive stimuli, are continually paired it creates an opinion any individual who is repeatedly exposed to the pairing. It's the same technique for training  a dog to bark on command. The techniques have been known for at least 100 years now in the behavioral sciences.

If you have massive resources and you want to control the population and be on the top of the  pile, so to speak, and you use things such as behavioral attitude conditioning coupled with the mechanism for presenting your message which is the media, all media that you have available at your fingertips.

So for those who can't cope with this sort of information you may as well go watch some TV and just ignore the rest of us.

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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: elax420]
    #17134758 - 10/31/12 02:04 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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wait, you think the flouride one is stupid?  even though canada and all the nice parts of europe have gotten rid of additive flouride in the water?

You know, those places where they believe in labeling GMOs...




Yup the stupidest fuckin one there is. Actually it may be tied with 911.  That is If i have the conspiracy right. Fluoride is used to control your mind or some stupid shit like that right.

water and fluoride aren't organisms so how do you genetically modify something with no DNA?  Thats the problem with Conspiracy theories. They throw in some scientific sounding word to make you believe it. Like with haarp.





uh, i dunno, that sounds like some extreme version of it. 

Pretty much all the countries in europe have stated that they don't fluoridate their water because its not ethical to mass medicate a population. 

I dunno, gotta say i agree with that.

Also, since most studies now adays show that flouride in the water supply doesn't do anything, and lifelong flouride in the water supply kind of isn't adequetly tested (as far as i know), seems pretty fucking shifty to me.
I'm not going to make any wild leaps here, but if people want to say aliens are doing it to make us retarded, i'm fine with agreeing with that, i just don't want extra shit added to my water.


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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: gringobonk]
    #17134760 - 10/31/12 02:04 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I get social conditioning. I know who Rupert Murdoch is sheesh!

Just sayin' a lot of shit is bogus. David Ike for example.


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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: DeadHearts]
    #17134765 - 10/31/12 02:08 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I believe most politicians use their power to further their agenda.  And that agenda is not always for the american people.

Conspiracy theorist? you tell me





The politicians that "matter" are in bed with special interest groups and people
with insane amounts of money. The super rich stay rich and get richer while the rest of the majority get shit on. Bailouts and golden parachutes for their buddies while other lose their jobs.





They're also in bed with little children. Google Franklin Scandal. That Sandusky scandal HAD to be tied to politicians too. It was the same scenario of using a facility for the throw away children of society.

Some, but doubtful many, may recall Porter Goss, Bush's head CIA man for a brief period, was ousted by the rumors of him being at a party with children prostitutes and drugs. Google it. The info ought to still be accessible even though it came and went fast.

Don't forget the DC brothel madam who got suicided a few years back in the Bush admin. (I'm not siding with any political party, they're both run by the same groups behind the scenes)

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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: Ganzig]
    #17134767 - 10/31/12 02:13 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I get social conditioning. I know who Rupert Murdoch is sheesh!

Just sayin' a lot of shit is bogus. David Ike for example.




I agree there. Any thing all over the mainstream media, or getting pretty large alternative news coverage is controlled by intelligence agencies, to manufacture consent in the masses.

Ike is just a whore who talks about legitimate conspiracies (probably non-legit too, but it doesn't take long to pick out disinfo agents).

Who the fuck could believe this thing of lizards that he talks about?

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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: elax420]
    #17134777 - 10/31/12 02:22 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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They are fun to toy around with but if you think about it seriously most are way too complex to work out, and government is way to inefficient to pull of shit on a global scale.




They may be too complex for someone like you to figure out but that doesn't mean that they are for someone else.  where certain things the government is very inefficient and there's others but there extremely efficient. Again this is an issue of how intelligent are the people that are doing something criminal.  You could be dealing with some simpleton paper pushers or you could be dealing with some bar member lawyers that know the ins and outs of the legal system.


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I also like some conspiracies more than others. The fluoride and chemtrail ones are so fucking stupid I can't even pretend to believe it.




what do you mean like? As in like comic books or something?

If you go to a dentist and you are given a fluoride mouth rinse, does your dentist tell you to swallow it when you're done or spit it out? If you have a tube of toothpaste with fluoride in it doesn't not have a warning not to swallow because it's poison? If you spend a bit of time researching at least the  Fluoride issue  you might be embarrassed making the public statements that you're making.

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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: gringobonk]
    #17134889 - 10/31/12 04:14 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

on one hand you are saying that the media is controlled

but you also say that people who dont buy into the conspiracy game should just keep watching tv


i think you like this game very much


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Re: What do you think of people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: NWlight]
    #17134924 - 10/31/12 04:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

As long as their views are well-reasoned and they're not just hopping on a bandwagon, I respect them.

Really the people I despise more are those who naively think that noone would EEEEVEER possibly be out to harm them, and won't even consider an idea or hear the arguments behind a theory just because mainstream society would consider it a "conspiracy theory."

I find it even more obnoxious when these people condescend down to those that are open to the possibility that there just might be evil and deception in the world, and act like they're the rational ones, and the "conspiracy theorists" are the fools.

Not all conspiracy theories are true, but people need to stop writing them off just because they seem fringe at first glance, and investigate them more first. 

It is in your self-interest to inquire into any notion that you might be getting boned up the ass without realizing it.  Mocking the people that care enough about their well-being to look into these things just makes one look like a dumbass.


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Re: What do you think of people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: NWlight]
    #17134947 - 10/31/12 04:48 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Up to a level conspiracy is very real.  What we call "conspiracy" the guys in charge call "implicit policy". Anyone who believes theres no unsavoury business going on behind closed doors is a naive fool.  Think of MK-ULTRA,that didnt just come from nothing and stop there.

But when people talk about reptilians and all that stuff I watch them closely for signs of psychosis. People believing the most elaborate theories about beings whos existence hasnt been proven worry me.

All absolute knowledge is delusion, so I'm sort of in favor of people entertaining such thoughts but to insist that it is true, and its so alien from consewnsus reality, how does that differ from more classic psychotic delusions, ie that all people driving past are CIA agents taking snapshots of your brain or that the pills the doctor gives you contain nanobots to make you just like Them.

Key to mental health, and trust me I know, is to always factor in the possibility you are completely wrong, even about the most basic and fundamental of assumptions. "I know exactly how it is" might not be true.  "everybody hates me" might be the eye of the beholder. "I'm condemned to feel like this forever" might be the good ole doom thinking that makes you feel as shit in the first place.
Every kind of mental illness is helped favorably by abandoning the position that you know the absolute truth.

Thought experiment? "No human being can walk around on the surfasce of the sun and be happy about it". Says who? Logic. But there has never been a human on the surface of the sun, and certainly not an infinite number of humans, which is what you would need to arrive at an absolute fact. There can never be. Just like sight and smell don't show you all there is to a horse, logic might not accurately predict all there is to reality.  And then what? "We are pretty damn sure, but no, not absolutely sure." FAITH, dear Priest of the Temple of Science. All you have is systematic faith that is right almost all the time but cannot be relied on to be right ALL the time. That claim by its nature would be unscientific. Science "isnt out of the woods yet" and it can never be because you can never to an infinite number of tangible experiuments in a finite time span to arrive at a 100% absolute reality. Should you do an infinite number of experiments across an infinte timespan, the information you retain from that will only over a finite scope of time, thus an infinitely small part of the data the experiment generates.
Problem? :Trollface:

Anyway, you can never contain an infinite number of experimental results, and not factually check an infinite number of ones for a single zero unless you assume

Don't become too hung up on a "truth", we don't have ANY solid point to hang our reality systems on. Religion is faith. Science is systematic faith. Its all faith.


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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: teamkiller]
    #17134961 - 10/31/12 05:05 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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wait, you think the flouride one is stupid?  even though canada and all the nice parts of europe have gotten rid of additive flouride in the water?

You know, those places where they believe in labeling GMOs...




calgary voted to remove fluoride, not all of canada has removed fluoride, the
UK, ireland, spain and switzerland all fluoridate the water at least to some
degree

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/ftr-ati/_2011/2011_82-eng.php

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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: gringobonk]
    #17134987 - 10/31/12 05:23 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Too many people dismiss conspiracies because they've been subject to behavioral attitude conditioning via the media.




most people dismiss the conspiracy theories because they simply dont make
sense, fluoride for mind control and depopulation, chemtrails to depopulate,
but really... why would you poison the very air you have to breathe. energy
beam weapons taking down the world trade center. I mean hell, watching
the towers come down was pretty convincing to it being a controlled
demolition, the one big thing working against that theory is that there's no
actual evidence of any charges. no radio or hard wired detonators, no one
tripping over the mules of romex and no time to wire the buildings without
people noticing it


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If you have massive resources and you want to control the population and be on the top of the  pile, so to speak, and you use things such as behavioral attitude conditioning coupled with the mechanism for presenting your message which is the media, all media that you have available at your fingertips.




at best, 1/4 of the population would be affected, let's say it's far higher,
let's ask ourselves why obama is the president but then again, why arent we a
bunch of mindless zombies

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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #17134994 - 10/31/12 05:27 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i believe in some conspiracies, some are absolutely ridiculous example being the government created crack to fuck the poor black folks, some are just interesting to look at cause of the perspective on a situation like the paul mccartney is dead conspiracy, and i think some hold some weight to them like i think JFK was killed by the italian mafia. thats just me tho.


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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: trippinballs420] * 2
    #17135006 - 10/31/12 05:33 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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some are absolutely ridiculous example being the government created crack to fuck the poor black folks





If you put it like that, yes its pretty ridiculous.

If you put it like the CIA importing the crack problem to America, using their druglord friends (proven)  and having personally having made the US Army do drug shipments even as far back as in vietnam (proven), as a way to locate independent funding for their projects and sponsor the implementation oif the war on drugs and boost the prison population, it makes a lot more sense.

The war on drugs and full prisons cost society money, but they make the government money, so its a form of tax paid in the destruction of human lives, and THATS why it still exists against all evidence that thev policy is counterproductive to its stated purpose.  Its a money making machine for (parts of) the government. Crack is one of the ways to harvest civilians and liquidate their assets.


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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #17135030 - 10/31/12 05:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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gringobonk said:
Too many people dismiss conspiracies because they've been subject to behavioral attitude conditioning via the media.




most people dismiss the conspiracy theories because they simply dont make
sense, fluoride for mind control and depopulation, chemtrails to depopulate,
but really... why would you poison the very air you have to breathe. energy
beam weapons taking down the world trade center. I mean hell, watching
the towers come down was pretty convincing to it being a controlled
demolition, the one big thing working against that theory is that there's no
actual evidence of any charges. no radio or hard wired detonators, no one
tripping over the mules of romex and no time to wire the buildings without
people noticing it


Quote:

If you have massive resources and you want to control the population and be on the top of the  pile, so to speak, and you use things such as behavioral attitude conditioning coupled with the mechanism for presenting your message which is the media, all media that you have available at your fingertips.




at best, 1/4 of the population would be affected, let's say it's far higher,
let's ask ourselves why obama is the president but then again, why arent we a
bunch of mindless zombies



http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience :shrug:
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Rember thinking hmmm interesting...what.....huh.....wait....:sploosh::uhhnothanks:

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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: Asante]
    #17135036 - 10/31/12 05:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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some are absolutely ridiculous example being the government created crack to fuck the poor black folks





If you put it like that, yes its pretty ridiculous.

If you put it like the CIA importing the crack problem to America, using their druglord friends (proven)  and having personally having made the US Army do drug shipments even as far back as in vietnam (proven), as a way to locate independent funding for their projects and sponsor the implementation oif the war on drugs and boost the prison population, it makes a lot more sense.

The war on drugs and full prisons cost society money, but they make the government money, so its a form of tax paid in the destruction of human lives, and THATS why it still exists against all evidence that thev policy is counterproductive to its stated purpose.  Its a money making machine for (parts of) the government. Crack is one of the ways to harvest civilians and liquidate their assets.




yeah i guess that was a bad example, i was just trying to throw something out there that sounded ridiculous cause i couldnt think of one off the top of my head haha a better example would be the moon landing was shot in a studio on earth


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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: Asante]
    #17135050 - 10/31/12 05:55 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Most conspiracy theorists tend to miss the point as far as I'm concerned. 

I have this one friend who is quasi-religious.  He believes that pop-stars and political icons worship Lucifer and stuff like that, but then he is also racist, hooked on pharmiceutical drugs, spends more time than anyone I know watching TV and knows more about pop-icons than is normal for a 30 year old man.  He admits that he is hypocritical to some extent, but is convinced that he is in the right and "they" are in the wrong.

That is just one example but I think alot of these people are afraid to confront themselves and this makes them basically very similar to the insecure people who think they need lots of money and social validation.

I used to like discussing this stuff with him, because I don't know many people who like to talk about religion, but the actual substance of the teachings of Christianity seems to just go over his head.  It gets frustrating after a while.

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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: Fire is Born]
    #17135055 - 10/31/12 05:57 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Too many people dismiss conspiracies because they've been subject to behavioral attitude conditioning via the media.




most people dismiss the conspiracy theories because they simply dont make
sense, fluoride for mind control and depopulation, chemtrails to depopulate,
but really... why would you poison the very air you have to breathe. energy
beam weapons taking down the world trade center. I mean hell, watching
the towers come down was pretty convincing to it being a controlled
demolition, the one big thing working against that theory is that there's no
actual evidence of any charges. no radio or hard wired detonators, no one
tripping over the mules of romex and no time to wire the buildings without
people noticing it


Quote:

If you have massive resources and you want to control the population and be on the top of the  pile, so to speak, and you use things such as behavioral attitude conditioning coupled with the mechanism for presenting your message which is the media, all media that you have available at your fingertips.




at best, 1/4 of the population would be affected, let's say it's far higher,
let's ask ourselves why obama is the president but then again, why arent we a
bunch of mindless zombies



http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience :shrug:
David Icke :stonedjerk:
Rember thinking hmmm interesting...what.....huh.....wait....:sploosh::uhhnothanks:





how many millions died as a result of that, it's certainly the chemtrailer's
go to article but as opposed to actually reading and understanding the logic
behind releasing a benign bacteria to determine how it would spread if there
was a biological or chemical attack, it's suddenly the 'smoking gun' to prove
that they're trying to kill us

it still doesnt answer the all important question:

why would they poison the same air they have to breathe?

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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: trippinballs420] * 5
    #17135060 - 10/31/12 05:59 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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i was just trying to throw something out there that sounded ridiculous





Thats a tactic used by nonbelievers to discredit believers of whatever thing they disagree with, they set up a straw man and charge it.

Example would be Atheists and God. First they paint a picture of a kind of Santa sitting on a cloud somewhere and then they say "that doesnt exist."  No shit sherlock :sherlock:  but it bears no resemblance whatsoever to the image the mystics of the religion under attack have of what is THEIR concepts.

If you define God as the totality of everything, the One that shows as Many, the entirety of the universe, it becomes less of a sitting duck to ridicule.  You casn still question it but all of a sudden the ones believing in it don't come across as complete nincompoops anymore :smile:


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Re: My theory on people who buy heavily into consipracy [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #17135069 - 10/31/12 06:02 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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He admits that he is hypocritical to some extent, but is convinced that he is in the right and "they" are in the wrong.





Notice the Absolute Truth(TM)  rearing its ugly head again, its the one thing separating a man with some unusual beliefs from an annoying zealot and it prevents him meeting people of other opinions in discussion as equals.


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