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My first grow.
    #17118592 - 10/28/12 03:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone or anyone

This is my first time trying to cultivate. I am using the popcorn tek along with damion coco tek.

I followed the popcorn tek to a T. And I have six and half quart mason jars that look like this.


I used spore syringe to inoculate them Friday morning. I am hoping that I did it right and they colonize soon.

I picked up some supplies to hopefully put colonized spawn into bulk. Hopefully I said that right. All this reading and getting to know the jargon has my head spinning.

This is the coco coir and verm that I will mix up.


And this will be my fruiting chambers.



I grabbed some polyfill at craft store to put in the holes of flowering tubs.
Hope this is right kind. I don't think there is many types.


And this is where I have a question. Instead of the black trash bag wrapped around the tote for about ten days as incubation chamber before fruiting. I was winding if I could use this thick black cardboard cut out to size of aluminum trays to keep it dark? 



Again thanks to anyone with input if I need more stuff or tweek anything let me know. If I annoy anyone with this post let me apologize a head of time.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17118610 - 10/28/12 03:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What made you decide to go with coir and verm?


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Re: My first grow. [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17118721 - 10/28/12 04:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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What made you decide to go with coir and verm?




It was easiest for me to find and it seemed pretty straight forward. Honestly I wanted to order some substrate from one of the sponsors but I kept reading bout contaminated this and that. Sorta scared me off.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17118745 - 10/28/12 04:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Your myc is gonna munch those trays, unless you line them with plastic. You may be better off making monos out of those tubs and spawning your bulk directly in them.
Other than that I can't see any faults (except for the lack of gypsum). Pretty ambitious for a first grow, but it's been done before.
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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17118829 - 10/28/12 04:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Your myc is gonna munch those trays, unless you line them with plastic. You may be better off making monos out of those tubs and spawning your bulk directly in them.
Other than that I can't see any faults (except for the lack of gypsum). Pretty ambitious for a first grow, but it's been done before.
Good luck :thumbup:




Thanks for the good luck.

Question. As for the gypsum I read everywhere that u should use it for the brf but not mentioned in popcorn tek. If it will help I will definitely grab some and add a lil to the mix. Also I will get rid of trays.

And yes i will probably fail. I tend to jump into things head first. But it's about learning from mistakes. Or something lol.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17118991 - 10/28/12 04:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I use gypsum in my bulk subs... You wouldn't mix it with grain spawn though, you are right. Have a search around and find a bulk recipe. I don't even measure my amounts, a bit of this and some of that style. Usually use just a small amount of gypsum. I have read 5-10% But I never use that much... anyone else on gypsum in coir?


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119017 - 10/28/12 05:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

One more quick question. I tried to find but am getting conflicting answers.

A small percentage of the popcorn kennels have cracked open I am guessing during the PC process and didn't notice until I just looked at the jars. Which have no growth lol. I know it's been only two days.  But I've read that it's bad for contamination reasons if kernels crack open and others say its. Non issue.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119027 - 10/28/12 05:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I use gypsum in my bulk subs... You wouldn't mix it with grain spawn though, you are right. Have a search around and find a bulk recipe. I don't even measure my amounts, a bit of this and some of that style. Usually use just a small amount of gypsum. I have read 5-10% But I never use that much... anyone else on gypsum in coir?




Thanks for answer. I have read the 5% thing also. maybe I will just add a teaspoon or two to bulk mix. But the only gypsum I can find it Pelletized. I am assuming I should crush I to powder before adding

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17119047 - 10/28/12 05:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Pelletized/Granular gypsum has a water soluble binding agent in it that holds it together.

It should dissolve in water.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17119181 - 10/28/12 05:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

In 3 1 litre jars of bulk sub I add a small +/- handful of gypsum.
Crushing pellets is fine as far as I know. Just smash it up with a brick or the like.


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119196 - 10/28/12 05:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome thanks everyone for answers. If anyone knows if kerns cracking is bad feel free to chime in. Like I said. I've read that it's horrible and that its not bad at all.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17119257 - 10/28/12 05:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

starch inside kernels... can clog up your spawn, can be bad.


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119555 - 10/28/12 06:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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starch inside kernels... can clog up your spawn, can be bad.




Shit fuck.

I guess I will try another batch and try to either cook kernels less or PC it less.  Guess you were right tropical. It was a little ambitious of me lol.

Again Thanks for the help.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17119639 - 10/28/12 06:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Could still work out, let those corns run their course. Patience, time will tell.  :chillpill:


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119656 - 10/28/12 06:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

or keep putting in a new batch every week, with different mediums, until you have a mountain of mushrooms in your house :laugh:


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17141070 - 11/01/12 08:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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or keep putting in a new batch every week, with different mediums, until you have a mountain of mushrooms in your house :laugh:




Haha. Appreciate the advice and patience you guys have shown so far. Thank you.

On the topic of different mediums. If I were to do a brf spawn to bulk with coco verm and a lil gypsum would one expect more potent mushrooms then straight dunk and roll cakes?

Trust me I've read conflicting reviews about nutrition in brf cakes vs grain spawn. I was thinking of grabbing some brf and doing a run with those but I don't want some half potent shrooms. So I thought maybe the coco verm and gypsum might help.

I know there are other threads like this but nothing really concrete came of the ten or so I read. And posters coda, hippie chick and fooman say the potency is there with brf.

The main reason for me asking is the small percent of crack kernels is a larger percent now and I'm afraid it will get higher and the starch is going to mess up my colonization. Tomorrow morning will mark a week since inoculation and i checked today and it looks like nothing is happening at all. Which is good and bad i think. Nothing happening in regads to mycelia growth bad. But nothing bad growing either  good. Lol.

And I justthink brf is slightly more forgiving for a beginner such as myself.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17143356 - 11/01/12 04:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well didn't get any feedback so i just decided to pick up some brf and gonna give that a go.
Also picked up gypsum. I will be adding some to cakes before PC and some to bulk coco and verm. If I ever get to that point lol.

And I will take what the people I mentioned in above post to heart when they stated brf can produce good quality shrooms.

I think I'm more suited for this. Seems beginner enough lol

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17143368 - 11/01/12 04:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

shrooms potency depends on genetics, not the substrate... it's not weed. the difference you are going to see with larger substrates is greater yield.

BRF to bulk is not a bad starting point, and you will learn a lot doing it that way. You will have to pasteurize your bulk and add that axtra process to your grow, which is another point to fuck up if you don't follow the tek or are unlucky. Most would fruit direct from BRF first time, you're guaranteed fruits if you can follow the tek. Then you make prints, and spores are no longer an issue... I didn't though, and I've even heard of people starting with agar.

As far as popcorn goes, it's notoriously difficult (I've never tried it, just read that so many times) and even more so from multi-spore. Grain success comes quickly with agar as your colonization times halve. Some do MS grains with great success, but they all regret not starting agar sooner. That said, you haven't seen a fruit yet which is mission number 1. So... you're going to have to read and read and decide for you.

Only time will tell with the corn bro... Wait and see.


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17143410 - 11/01/12 04:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you tropical. This isn't a hobby I can talk to people about so having someone break it down a lil truely helps. Like most new people there is so much information it gets a little overwhelming. And the teks make it seem easy. When really I should have listened to others in other threads and applied a little KISS.

Many Thanks again. Hopefully my next posts will be colonized jars.

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17167626 - 11/05/12 06:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well day ten since innoc. Not sure but I think it's good. But then again I don't know. Could be that whitish grey mold people talk about. Or could be bad mold that is white but will turn green. So he is a few pics of different spots on one of the jars. 6 of the 6 and half jars look like this. With this grown randomly through out jars. The half quart has nothing which is weird to me thinking half the kernels should colonize or contam quicker.

Also the reason I lean towards bad is because this is first time and majority of the kernels split open which I heard is bad. But looking for help.  Here a couple pictures. Also sorry for shitty pics. I will use wife's camera in future which is better then mine.







The dark orangey spot in center is dark kernel behind white growth.

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17167765 - 11/05/12 06:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have never done popcorn only rye. But that looks good to me. Only time will tell.


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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: shroomsisay]
    #17168651 - 11/05/12 08:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the help. I'll post more when shit changes more. Hopefully a few days at most lol

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17259008 - 11/21/12 02:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hello back again. I have looked around and most tubs that are colonized are fully done. Mine isn't fully done but I'd say the surface is about 75% covered. It's been about a week since I put 70% colonized jars in tub. I know they weren't 100 but it seemed the jars were dried out and the so I went with it.

So here is my thing. The mycelia is all white but there is these thicker parts that look like veins and sorta sticking up on sides of trash bag and just up in air. I tried to take a pic thru the bin hopefully the are good enough to show what I see. And if everything is ok 
The pic thru the bin gives them an off white look but trust me its cotton ball white in real life.




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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17259173 - 11/21/12 03:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like it's comming along nice, good luck !


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    #17259476 - 11/21/12 04:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you agentg. But to the question I asked do you or anyone else on here have an idea what the white vein looking thing sticking in air are?  I tried to search here and google for a scientific name but I guess "white veiny things in mycelia" doesn't really yield good answers lol.

Thanks again.

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17259609 - 11/21/12 04:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What you refer to as white veins is actually just mycelium, rhizomorphic mycelium... that tub is ready to fruit. Untape those holes and stuff 'em with polyfill and mist once a day. Remember the main trigger for pinning is evaporation which is provided by fresh air exchange. If you provide adequate FAE you can expect a nice pin set.

Looking good so far, keep posting lots of pictures !

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: Gotlib]
    #17259909 - 11/21/12 05:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you very much butt head. Lol that name geeks out. But yeah thanks. I was thinking of waiting a few more days for consolidation. Any input? 

Thanks again agentg and butt head.

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    #17262911 - 11/22/12 06:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Bump on consolidation? Or just start fruiting?

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    #17269802 - 11/23/12 04:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quick question please help.

I've looked on here for a lil bit but most threads deal with cakes. I want to know the exact deal on fanning and misting.

From what I gather I plug holes with poly fill and mist sides of tub not the colonized bulk and fan couple times a day. Does that sound right? 

Or should I must the bulk to rehydrate it and when it starts to pin just spray the walls?

Sorry if question has been answered somewhere but I looked for a while and like stated most people were talking of cakes. Not tub.

Any help would be welcomed.

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17269817 - 11/23/12 04:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I've looked on here for a lil bit but most threads deal with cakes. I want to know the exact deal on fanning and misting.

From what I gather I plug holes with poly fill and mist sides of tub not the colonized bulk and fan couple times a day. Does that sound right? 





Do not mist the walls, they wont grow silly. :crazy2:

Mist the substrate directly until it glistens, then fan out the chamber to get the humid air out and make room for evaporation.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

That being said bulk substrates in monotubs should have all the moisture they need for the first flush, so misting is not needed, just fanning, but a lot of people mist a little just for the hell of it. If you have your polyfill set right, the tubs should be set and forget.

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: PussyFart]
    #17269853 - 11/23/12 04:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome notahacker. Thank you. The strain is just a mex cube I got as free syringe. Decided to practice with cubes and get the hang of it. Since this is my first time just want to make sure I dot screw stuff up with syringes I paid for.

Hopefully my next update will be pins or something good.

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    #17286412 - 11/26/12 06:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

A little update and question. How does this look so far? I took the tape off the holes early Saturday morning. I've been fanning about twice a day. And have them on 12 hour life cycle.

So this is what it looks like. This is my first time and pictures don't do it justice. There is something beautiful about mycelium. The last pic is my favorite. It looks like a tree in winter all covered in snow growing up the side of trash bag.

And as usual any thoughts would be more then welcomed.






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    #17286453 - 11/26/12 06:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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    #17328109 - 12/03/12 05:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Little update. The pin set isn't as even as I would like. But at least there are mushrooms growing that's what I was hoping for. I heard the second flush the pin set gets more even. But like I stated for my first time growing mushrooms just seeing them makes my day.

Please let me know what you guys think and suggestions. Thanks for everything so far shroomery heads.

A general view


One of the corners


One random shroom is cracked open. Non of the others did this. Fucking weird. I read somewhere it might be the humidity so I put the humidifier in there with lid cracked so condensation doesn't drop water on shrooms


This is the biggest mushy so far. I accidently touched it and it bruised. You can sorta see the bluish bruise

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17328135 - 12/03/12 05:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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    #17328258 - 12/03/12 06:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks. Any ideas bout why that one mushy split in middle?  And the uneven pin set?

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17330085 - 12/03/12 11:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

They are funny creatures... when you isolate right, get perfect substrate %'s, get your humidity perfect and have the exact right lighting.... it still might grow weird.
FAE and evaporation are your main pinning triggers coupled with the right light though. So... when you get that down :thumbup:


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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17330223 - 12/03/12 11:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The split shroom is probably due to rapid growth.


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    #17330277 - 12/03/12 11:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Simply beautiful! Gratz mate!

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    #17330735 - 12/04/12 02:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yea...splitting usually means rapid growth. thats how you end up with caps that look like stars or flowers.nice grow btw


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    #17330849 - 12/04/12 03:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Splitting usually means rapid growth.

Cracks on the caps mean low humidity.


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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: PussyFart]
    #17333246 - 12/04/12 02:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit what a difference a day makes. Come home from work today to see a bunch of caps broke open. I guess I will cut the base of the broken cap ones or should I just cut down the whole cluster or group. Then wait for rest to finish the go for 2nd flush?

The cluster in bottom right is what I'm refering too.


And this pic one of the cluster caps are still closed. Should I harvest those soon before caps open? I've searched and seen tons of answers. Just want people to see my stuff and give opinion.


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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17334200 - 12/04/12 05:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I went ahead and harvested the majority of caps. There are a bunch of pins left that I will let grow until the ready. Then I will dunk the sub and go for flush 2.

The bin after first chop of first flush. Hope I worded it correctly.


And is this cool to leave in tub. Like the base of mushroom where I cut with razor?


And group shot. There is a bunch of smaller caps on verge of opening. They just piled on each other

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17335642 - 12/04/12 09:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wow! Nice job for a first time!


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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: Starbuck]
    #17335854 - 12/04/12 10:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm bruising blue with envy!

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: El Mescalero]
    #17335870 - 12/04/12 10:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What a ridiculous first post


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El Mescalero said:
I'm bruising blue with envy!




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