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My first grow.
    #17118592 - 10/28/12 03:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone or anyone

This is my first time trying to cultivate. I am using the popcorn tek along with damion coco tek.

I followed the popcorn tek to a T. And I have six and half quart mason jars that look like this.


I used spore syringe to inoculate them Friday morning. I am hoping that I did it right and they colonize soon.

I picked up some supplies to hopefully put colonized spawn into bulk. Hopefully I said that right. All this reading and getting to know the jargon has my head spinning.

This is the coco coir and verm that I will mix up.


And this will be my fruiting chambers.



I grabbed some polyfill at craft store to put in the holes of flowering tubs.
Hope this is right kind. I don't think there is many types.


And this is where I have a question. Instead of the black trash bag wrapped around the tote for about ten days as incubation chamber before fruiting. I was winding if I could use this thick black cardboard cut out to size of aluminum trays to keep it dark? 



Again thanks to anyone with input if I need more stuff or tweek anything let me know. If I annoy anyone with this post let me apologize a head of time.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17118610 - 10/28/12 03:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What made you decide to go with coir and verm?


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Re: My first grow. [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17118721 - 10/28/12 04:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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What made you decide to go with coir and verm?




It was easiest for me to find and it seemed pretty straight forward. Honestly I wanted to order some substrate from one of the sponsors but I kept reading bout contaminated this and that. Sorta scared me off.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: cloudpersona]
    #17118745 - 10/28/12 04:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Your myc is gonna munch those trays, unless you line them with plastic. You may be better off making monos out of those tubs and spawning your bulk directly in them.
Other than that I can't see any faults (except for the lack of gypsum). Pretty ambitious for a first grow, but it's been done before.
Good luck :thumbup:


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17118829 - 10/28/12 04:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Your myc is gonna munch those trays, unless you line them with plastic. You may be better off making monos out of those tubs and spawning your bulk directly in them.
Other than that I can't see any faults (except for the lack of gypsum). Pretty ambitious for a first grow, but it's been done before.
Good luck :thumbup:




Thanks for the good luck.

Question. As for the gypsum I read everywhere that u should use it for the brf but not mentioned in popcorn tek. If it will help I will definitely grab some and add a lil to the mix. Also I will get rid of trays.

And yes i will probably fail. I tend to jump into things head first. But it's about learning from mistakes. Or something lol.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17118991 - 10/28/12 04:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I use gypsum in my bulk subs... You wouldn't mix it with grain spawn though, you are right. Have a search around and find a bulk recipe. I don't even measure my amounts, a bit of this and some of that style. Usually use just a small amount of gypsum. I have read 5-10% But I never use that much... anyone else on gypsum in coir?


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119017 - 10/28/12 05:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

One more quick question. I tried to find but am getting conflicting answers.

A small percentage of the popcorn kennels have cracked open I am guessing during the PC process and didn't notice until I just looked at the jars. Which have no growth lol. I know it's been only two days.  But I've read that it's bad for contamination reasons if kernels crack open and others say its. Non issue.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119027 - 10/28/12 05:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I use gypsum in my bulk subs... You wouldn't mix it with grain spawn though, you are right. Have a search around and find a bulk recipe. I don't even measure my amounts, a bit of this and some of that style. Usually use just a small amount of gypsum. I have read 5-10% But I never use that much... anyone else on gypsum in coir?




Thanks for answer. I have read the 5% thing also. maybe I will just add a teaspoon or two to bulk mix. But the only gypsum I can find it Pelletized. I am assuming I should crush I to powder before adding

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17119047 - 10/28/12 05:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Pelletized/Granular gypsum has a water soluble binding agent in it that holds it together.

It should dissolve in water.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17119181 - 10/28/12 05:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

In 3 1 litre jars of bulk sub I add a small +/- handful of gypsum.
Crushing pellets is fine as far as I know. Just smash it up with a brick or the like.


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119196 - 10/28/12 05:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome thanks everyone for answers. If anyone knows if kerns cracking is bad feel free to chime in. Like I said. I've read that it's horrible and that its not bad at all.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17119257 - 10/28/12 05:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

starch inside kernels... can clog up your spawn, can be bad.


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119555 - 10/28/12 06:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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starch inside kernels... can clog up your spawn, can be bad.




Shit fuck.

I guess I will try another batch and try to either cook kernels less or PC it less.  Guess you were right tropical. It was a little ambitious of me lol.

Again Thanks for the help.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17119639 - 10/28/12 06:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Could still work out, let those corns run their course. Patience, time will tell.  :chillpill:


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17119656 - 10/28/12 06:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

or keep putting in a new batch every week, with different mediums, until you have a mountain of mushrooms in your house :laugh:


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17141070 - 11/01/12 08:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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or keep putting in a new batch every week, with different mediums, until you have a mountain of mushrooms in your house :laugh:




Haha. Appreciate the advice and patience you guys have shown so far. Thank you.

On the topic of different mediums. If I were to do a brf spawn to bulk with coco verm and a lil gypsum would one expect more potent mushrooms then straight dunk and roll cakes?

Trust me I've read conflicting reviews about nutrition in brf cakes vs grain spawn. I was thinking of grabbing some brf and doing a run with those but I don't want some half potent shrooms. So I thought maybe the coco verm and gypsum might help.

I know there are other threads like this but nothing really concrete came of the ten or so I read. And posters coda, hippie chick and fooman say the potency is there with brf.

The main reason for me asking is the small percent of crack kernels is a larger percent now and I'm afraid it will get higher and the starch is going to mess up my colonization. Tomorrow morning will mark a week since inoculation and i checked today and it looks like nothing is happening at all. Which is good and bad i think. Nothing happening in regads to mycelia growth bad. But nothing bad growing either  good. Lol.

And I justthink brf is slightly more forgiving for a beginner such as myself.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17143356 - 11/01/12 04:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well didn't get any feedback so i just decided to pick up some brf and gonna give that a go.
Also picked up gypsum. I will be adding some to cakes before PC and some to bulk coco and verm. If I ever get to that point lol.

And I will take what the people I mentioned in above post to heart when they stated brf can produce good quality shrooms.

I think I'm more suited for this. Seems beginner enough lol

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17143368 - 11/01/12 04:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

shrooms potency depends on genetics, not the substrate... it's not weed. the difference you are going to see with larger substrates is greater yield.

BRF to bulk is not a bad starting point, and you will learn a lot doing it that way. You will have to pasteurize your bulk and add that axtra process to your grow, which is another point to fuck up if you don't follow the tek or are unlucky. Most would fruit direct from BRF first time, you're guaranteed fruits if you can follow the tek. Then you make prints, and spores are no longer an issue... I didn't though, and I've even heard of people starting with agar.

As far as popcorn goes, it's notoriously difficult (I've never tried it, just read that so many times) and even more so from multi-spore. Grain success comes quickly with agar as your colonization times halve. Some do MS grains with great success, but they all regret not starting agar sooner. That said, you haven't seen a fruit yet which is mission number 1. So... you're going to have to read and read and decide for you.

Only time will tell with the corn bro... Wait and see.


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Re: My first grow. [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #17143410 - 11/01/12 04:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you tropical. This isn't a hobby I can talk to people about so having someone break it down a lil truely helps. Like most new people there is so much information it gets a little overwhelming. And the teks make it seem easy. When really I should have listened to others in other threads and applied a little KISS.

Many Thanks again. Hopefully my next posts will be colonized jars.

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Re: My first grow. Pic help [Re: JumpinLow]
    #17167626 - 11/05/12 06:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well day ten since innoc. Not sure but I think it's good. But then again I don't know. Could be that whitish grey mold people talk about. Or could be bad mold that is white but will turn green. So he is a few pics of different spots on one of the jars. 6 of the 6 and half jars look like this. With this grown randomly through out jars. The half quart has nothing which is weird to me thinking half the kernels should colonize or contam quicker.

Also the reason I lean towards bad is because this is first time and majority of the kernels split open which I heard is bad. But looking for help.  Here a couple pictures. Also sorry for shitty pics. I will use wife's camera in future which is better then mine.







The dark orangey spot in center is dark kernel behind white growth.

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