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why are they illegal?
    #17112757 - 10/27/12 04:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Okay i know this has probably been posted a million times and you really dont need to reply if it has. but i just need to say my point of view. if it is the view 1000 other people also see, then thats great! what more do you think?

But mushrooms. Of the magic type,

But i have never taken mushrooms. VERY SOON i hope. but i have been researching drugs ALOT lately and the law seems a very grey spot. in the UK.. it was legal up till 2005 i believe? and suddenly CLASS A. wtf?

so i started looking at some negative points.
From the frank drugs website in the UK.
1. can have a bad trip that may frighten you
2.You can get flashbacks
3. You may be at risk that you are not in full control of your body
4. mental issues can be made worse from mushrooms.

I was like okay that sounds.. okay? and i instantly thought about alcohol. so looked at that page and these were the bad points.
1. you can feel like your loosing control of your body (i guess like mushrooms?)
2. alcohol can make you angry argumentative and angry.
3. your more likely to do risky things
4. contributes to problems in britain such as, crime violence, death, missing work and unemployment.
5. drinking over the limit often can cause high blood pressure, liver damage, stomach cancer, breast cancer and heart disease
6. too much in one go can put you in a coma or kill you, alcohol posiong

So this sounds absolutely ridiculous. A drug, alcohol. seems 100x more deadly than mushrooms.
and i am right, this chart shows it, and it isnt just this chart, it shows this in 90% of all, if you search, drug danger chart, into google images.
http://cognitivelibertyuk.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/drug-harm-charts-psychedelics/


Then i started looking at its history. One big topic came up was hippies obviously. Alot of these took this drug and became spiritual and what did they near enough beg for?... PEACE!...
Then you go down your local pub and you see a drunk man kicking up a fuss and punching walls.

People devote alot of their time to taking mushrooms, or similar drugs, as a spiritual journey.
It enlightens people. Even says CNN


Okay so why take the drug other than feeling enlightened?
It opens secrets to the brain. You can learn alot about yourself that you never knew exsisted. You can see what your brain is capable of.
I know this is not mushrooms but LSD has similar properties to mushrooms and this was just enspiring!
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/27KwX7/www.dailydawdle.com/2011/04/9-stages-of-acid-trip-pic.html/

Please read it all. I much prefer his lsd drawings compared to his normal boring portraits, you would be stupid not to agree.


Surely something like this should be encouraged? or advertised?
"take this mushroom, become one with yourself and the universe, learn not to hate but love"
instead of
"buy this alcohol, its delicious but turns you into a prick"


Guys i have been up all night pondering this. The government is preventing me from feeling the love with everything.

I know you can have bad trips and some mushrooms can kill you. But i believe some people are irresponsible and take them when they are not in the right place of mind and what idiots dont seek an expert before eating a mushroom they have found?! seriously. if the law is set because some idiot ate a mushroom they thought was masgic, and it killed them. then.. i might cry.

Sorry if this has been written a million times before again, but i had to say it to someone and get it out.

Cheers for reading. sorry for essay and spelling mistakes or geniunely didnt make sense

Kris

Edited by monkshroom (10/27/12 04:50 PM)

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: monkshroom]
    #17112869 - 10/27/12 05:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Invariably cultures pick their own poisons. In some places tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, etc. are legal. Enough is allowed to sublimate the populous, but not enough to get anyone thinking. The fact that people die using some of these substances in not the point, it's about control, not about protecting you from yourself. In some cultures marijuana is legal and alcohol is not so much, so we know the prohibitions are random. However, Psychedelics uniquely, promote challenging power and regime itself, which is a strong reason for prohibiting the substances. It is the simple truth that some people enforce their idea of freedom on others, claiming this is the freedom we all sought (i.e. Democracy), but not realizing that your freedom is not homologous to any other. And so, we play a game, the powerful rich say what you can and cannot do, because of course, their idea of happiness must necessarily correspond with mine and yours. Don't you see it?

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: confusion]
    #17113042 - 10/27/12 05:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

jeeez i wish i could write like you. but yeah power and rich and democracy... it is definitely a free world isnt it -.-

i wish we could all have our own seperate island to run each how we like.
But i guess if the rich dont get to say what we like. we wont buy into what they like and they will lose money and power..

I really need to go bed. thanks for the reply!

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: monkshroom]
    #17119561 - 10/28/12 06:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

exactly my thoughts, things are going to change I can feel it.


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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: unix]
    #17120225 - 10/28/12 07:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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unix said:
exactly my thoughts, things are going to change I can feel it.



:billymaythumbup:


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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: pablokabute] * 1
    #17120265 - 10/28/12 08:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Fear of the unknown.

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: igCorcaigh]
    #17121803 - 10/29/12 02:13 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yeah i read the BBC news artical that was published when the ban occured and even their drug correspondent disagreed and said it should not be class A up with crack heroin and meth.

They said it was banned because it can cause harm to people that already have mental issues. surely that can be said for any drug, eg ALCOHOL or weed or ketamin, these two are only class C..

I can feel a sense of change too.. someone in an office who has never lived their life said "whats that? sounds scary. BAN IT"

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: monkshroom]
    #17122428 - 10/29/12 08:06 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

its illegal thats why those who know what psychedelics can offer should never ever ever ever ever trust humanity..


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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: monkshroom]
    #17130059 - 10/30/12 11:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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monkshroom said:
jeeez i wish i could write like you. but yeah power and rich and democracy... it is definitely a free world isnt it -.-

i wish we could all have our own seperate island to run each how we like.
But i guess if the rich dont get to say what we like. we wont buy into what they like and they will lose money and power..

I really need to go bed. thanks for the reply!




I disagree highly with your island analogy. If we each have our own island to "run as we like", then we are doing the exact same thing that the poster above you was referring to when they referred to 'democracy' and 'the rich'. An attempt to coordinate the will of others based upon your own standard.

Say you created this island, perfect for yourself, and then some people started snorting the sandy, tropical beaches. It gave them insight, and pretty colors, and they subsequently decided to start their own islands.

Then the island 'president' hears about this 'sand'. Maybe he/she/it tried it, maybe they did not, but it poses a threat to their island.

...Thus, psychedelics are often criminalized. Fucked up, but a vicious cycle that can be well seen throughout history.

Hope your first trip goes well. Smart to research beforehand, but that may well break when you actually mind-taste a good tryptamine dose.



~Monk

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: numonkei]
    #17130572 - 10/30/12 01:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

ahh good point. yeah loops in everything :/. and thanks. im sure ill post my first trip report on here :smile:

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: monkshroom]
    #17132527 - 10/30/12 06:46 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

flush it in already..

TODAY.


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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: pablokabute]
    #17136542 - 10/31/12 12:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

flush it in?

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: monkshroom]
    #17144927 - 11/01/12 08:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, first of all, I love alcohol; but I also think you have a point.

You have to think though, alcohol WOULD be illegal if it were possible for the government to in force it. Obviously it didnt work in the 20's because of one reason: people love their alcohol too much. Alcohol has been used FAR more than any other drug because of its availability. All you need to make it is water, sugar or starch, and yeast, all three of these ingredients are EVERYWHERE.

There is nothing the government would be able to do even if they wanted to to stop people from making alcohol, therefor it is legal.


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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: MushR]
    #17145179 - 11/01/12 09:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

well.. all you need is a seed to make a marijuana plant.


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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: pablokabute]
    #17146620 - 11/02/12 05:08 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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well.. all you need is a seed to make a marijuana plant.





I believe there's a little bit more effort involved with growing marijuana than alcohol, but I get your gist:cheersyoufuck:

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: cez]
    #17149561 - 11/02/12 06:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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cez said:
Quote:

pablokabute said:
well.. all you need is a seed to make a marijuana plant.





I believe there's a little bit more effort involved with growing marijuana than alcohol, but I get your gist:cheersyoufuck:





no shit, thats so western man, leave a handful of seeds in a clearing inside a forest.. theyll do their thing..


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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: monkshroom]
    #17149636 - 11/02/12 06:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I may be wrong, but I think he's saying that when it goes wrong it goes WRONG....hence why I'm sat enjoying a few beers and listening to some music rather than having a mushroom trip tonight. hint: sometimes it's scary as fuck :laugh:

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #17151802 - 11/03/12 03:45 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

thats what i am scared of. but then again, people go out and plan to get paraletic on a night out and spend the next 2 days throwing up..

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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: monkshroom]
    #17238927 - 11/18/12 02:49 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

they should at least have a place people could go to trip and not let them out till they're done. hahahahaha, cause yeah some people can't handle them, fucks it up for everyone else


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Re: why are they illegal? [Re: colors will change]
    #17239828 - 11/18/12 10:42 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

yeah that is a good idea tbh.. maybe in your own home? lol

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