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Psilocybe cubensis on manure/straw compost, cased with 50/50+
    #1711044 - 07/13/03 09:23 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

this is intended to be a very simple method of creating bulk substrate casings using matierials easily available in any city without having to head to the country to find straw and sources of poo. To pull this off, the only real skills the mycologist needs is knowing how to successfully colonize a few quarts of substrate, and how to care for a casing. Grain is ideal to use because of it breaks up easily and contains lots of nutrients, but PF Tek cakes will work fine to just inoculate the bulk substrate (wear gloves and break cake up into small pieces. more pieces = more points of inoculation, avoid using a blender though).

average yeild for cubensis: 1.5 oz per casing
average fruit sizes: 6-8"
sunk cost per casing (unreuseable matierials): ~$2.50

List of matierials required:
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1-2 Quarts of colonized substrate per casing $free enough
40 lb bag of Cow Manure and Organic Compost (home depot/lowes etc) $1
1 aluminum (disposable) turkey roasting pan $3
1 mini-bale of straw (arts and craft stores, ie. Michael's) $5.50
2 plastic cat litter boxes (walmart, target) $1.99 ea or the big $4 one which is deeper A(recommended)
1 pillow case that can be ruined $5 for 2
1 large pot for straw pasturization (i use my pc)
1 candy thermometer (walmart etc) $2
1 brick $1
1 bag Vermiculite (home depot/lowes) $4
1 roll of foil
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pre-shredded straw + manure/compost used

Step 1: pasturizing straw

make sure straw is cut up to <3" long. put straw in pillowcase, just make sure its gonna fit in your pot with water. tie off the pillow case. the bale i got came pre-cut so that saved a lot of time. put water in large pot/pc, add candythermometer, set on low heat and stabalize the temp between 160-200F. add the straw pillowcase and put the brick on top to keep straw submerged. let this go for ~3 hours, checking on it every so often and adding hot water to it to compensate for the evaporation.

Step 2: pasturizing poo

this step should run paraellel to step 1 because both steps require about 3 hours of cooking and some cooling off time. so when your straw is on the stove, preheat oven to ~200F and do this step. dump poo into turkey baking pan (the BIG ones filled to the top will do 2 casings) add some water just to get it moist, not muddy, cover with foil and throw in the oven for 3 hours.

Step 3: draining/cooloff

when 3 hours are up on the straw, dump the water, hang pillow case to drain for several hours (or stick it on a wire shelf or something like the pic). When the poo is done, switch off oven and just let it sit till its cool. this is the point where i'll let the stuff sit overnight to drain and cool down.

Step 4: prepare work area

lysol it down, turn off sources of air current, bust out the rubber gloves, lay out cat litter boxes, straw, poo, something to scoop up poo with.

Step 5: bottom layer preparation

to reduce chances of contaminants moving into your casing, its aviseable to put a small (< 1") layer of vermiculite in the bottoms of the cat litter boxes. make sure you microwave sterilize the verm. add to microwave safe bowl, add some water to hydrate it a bit, cover with saranwrap, nuke for 3-5 min.

Step 6: layering substrate

once the vermiculite layer is in place, add a layer of poo, try to keep each layer under 1". On the poo, spread about 1 pint of colonized grain or chopped up pf cake. On top of the substrate, add a layer of straw picking out any large pieces you come across and tossing them in the trash. then you add another poo layer, spawn layer, and straw layer, and at about this point it should be near the top of the cat tray so add one more thin layer of poo and MAKE SURE all the straw is covered. any pieces sticking up need to be removed. straw will contaminate easy if exposed to the surface.

Step 7: cover, wait, & case

cover the tray with foil and stick in dark warm place to colonize. in about 5 days the tray should have mycelium tearing through the top layer of poo. Case the tray using whatever you like to use for a casing layer. I use a coir/verm mix ~50/50 with some lime as a ph buffer. patch casing as nessesary to keep it even and throw into a fruiting chamber when the casing layer is fairly colonized (approx 2-4 days after casing)

Step 8: Fruit like normal
yup, thats it.


EDIT: I'd like to add that potency is greatly increased over pf cakes and grain casings. 1.75g of product consumed by test subjects resulted in level 3-4 (possibly 5 at times) experiences. At 3.5g a veteran quality control tester was floored, reported that it was the most intense 3.5 g ever.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: Eightball]
    #1711810 - 07/13/03 03:42 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I always wondered if that earthGRO crap at
home depot was any good.

any *result* photos?


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: afoaf]
    #1711858 - 07/13/03 03:55 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

is it wise to chop up the cake or does it not matter?

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: NapkinOfDoom]
    #1711970 - 07/13/03 04:43 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

It is very wise to chop up the cake. One of the key points in useing grain as spawn (besideds the fact that it is full of nutrients) is that you get hundereds of point of innoculation. Each colonized pecie of grain fans mycelin out in all directions. Makeing complete colonization time of your bulk substrait considerable less.

So the more broken up the cake, the more points of innoculation. And thats always better.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: XiC_clone]
    #1714887 - 07/14/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Could i get a picture of the final product before it colonizes?


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: Fiend_13]
    #1715075 - 07/14/03 04:35 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

added the picture for step 7. shows the completed casings.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: Eightball]
    #1716565 - 07/14/03 10:21 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Can we get some result photos showing your yields?

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1716736 - 07/14/03 11:02 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

didnt have my digital cam around during previous harvests. just decided to document it this time so i'll get some pics from these casings. so in a couple weeks.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: Eightball]
    #1719718 - 07/15/03 10:47 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Is that 1.5 oz. acurate. That would mean if 2 pints spawn were needed to complete the tek then that's an average of 10.5 grams a cake? That would be a great increase in yield per cake. not doubting just interested.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: thisone]
    #1722014 - 07/16/03 03:28 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

yeild per cake really dont count in bulk teks. using cakes is just transferring mycelium, the nutrients are neglible compared to the poo and straw. so yes bulk teks substancially minimize the amount of cakes or grain spawn needed to produce X mass of shrooms. this is how ounces can be grown without some massive collection of jars and terrariums. you can stick 2 of the cat boxes from this tek in ~50 qt rubbermaid container and fruit. takes up minimal space, yeilds plenty. And yes the 1.5 oz per casing is accurate, from 2 casings (coir/verm casing) final dry weight was 3 oz. if one were to use cloned matierial from a single mushroom and innoculate grain or pf cake substrate and use for this tek, it would promote an even fruiting flush and yeild more.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: Eightball]
    #1722760 - 07/16/03 07:19 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

beautiful.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: Eightball]
    #1725189 - 07/17/03 03:35 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

afoaf uses those exact same litter boxes!
why don't you just mix the poo and the straw together in the pillowcase and then pasteurize?
also, why not mix the spawn with the straw and poo when you case them? are the layers beneficial for some reason?
one more, have you ever tried timothy hay instead of straw?

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: Eightball]
    #1725196 - 07/17/03 03:38 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

1.5 oz per casing?
that seems a little low, afoaf just used one of those exact same trays and got 1.25 oz his first flush.

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: flow]
    #1725235 - 07/17/03 03:45 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

One more question...
Would Sterilization of the poo/straw be a viable alternative to pasterization?

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: Eightball]
    #1725299 - 07/17/03 03:59 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Nice!
Hope all goes well.

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: flow]
    #1725788 - 07/17/03 06:48 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

results may vary...


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial [Re: afoaf]
    #1742726 - 07/23/03 08:37 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1742774 - 07/23/03 08:48 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

here's one of the poo/straw casings with mycelium all over the place


taking ph of coir/verm/lime casing. dont overdue it with the lime


colonized poo/straw on left, casing mix on right


adding casing layer, 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick most places. fluffy and moist.


casing complete.



Recover with the foil and put back in incubation. for PR strain, the casing layer doesnt need more than a day or 2 before its ready to be put in the terrarium. with other strains it may be up to 5 days.



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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1743373 - 07/24/03 12:01 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yield of the casing during and after mushroom growth, not just during spawn run and after being cased. I want to see some shrooms and see how well your tek fruits and yields.

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1744518 - 07/24/03 12:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

i wish i took pics last time of the massive harvests but i wasnt too interested in taking pics of anything cause ive been doing this for a couple years now. they were cased yesterday so i would expect some pins within a week. i'll be sure to document it this time as long as my friend doesnt need his digital camera back.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1746197 - 07/24/03 09:49 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, I think everyone will enjoy the pictures.

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1749775 - 07/25/03 11:14 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I've been advocating POO/STRAW for awhile. I posted my 'huge shrooms for newbies tek' awhile back and this one is even better... take a look at swims yields:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1484370&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=all&vc=1

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1781591 - 08/05/03 12:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I havent been able to find any straw near me, i however did come across salt hay do you think i can use this as a substitute?

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: ahel]
    #1781729 - 08/05/03 01:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

never heard of salt hay. from the name i would be worried about it containing salt. hehe not a good thing for casings. i have used timothy hay in the past and gotten a couple flushes but then had contamination problems that appeared to originate with some of the hay. so use at your own risk and pick out those damn round fluffy mini catail things!


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1781988 - 08/05/03 02:12 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

PrePatching: see how uneven this is? if i were to birth now there would be an uneven flush. so i cover all the mycelium with a thin layer of extra casing matierial (YES it needs to be pasturized/sterilized).


when a lot more mycelium filled in evenly (the next day) i birthed it into the terrarium [birthing july 28]. here you can see Aug 5 pictures of the casing with a nice pin set on it, 8 days after birthing.










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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1782032 - 08/05/03 02:23 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

GOOD SHIT !


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1782656 - 08/05/03 05:28 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

very nice shit,, so nice infact i think my donkey is guna do ur tek right now...


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1782678 - 08/05/03 05:36 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

the only pillow case i can destroy is satin, will this be a problem when its in the pot with the straw, will it like, heat up and melt if its not coton... does anyone know?


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: MycoGlowFlow]
    #1782697 - 08/05/03 05:44 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

yes. any pillowcase you use will be toast afterwards. go buy a cheap one from the dollar store, or your mom will kill you.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: shirley knott]
    #1782716 - 08/05/03 05:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

ya like i live with my parents... HA

and this pilow is already nasty from stains and stuff


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: MycoGlowFlow]
    #1785150 - 08/06/03 01:25 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

lets see those results 8ball!:)

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1794929 - 08/09/03 09:09 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

i think 48 hours after previous pic


and today, aug 09


some of the larger fruits




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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1794946 - 08/09/03 09:24 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

awesome man, my monkey is doing ur tek right now, he just cased it last night after finding signs of mycilium coming thru the dung

did u get a weight?


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: MycoGlowFlow]
    #1794952 - 08/09/03 09:30 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

thats f'in sweet, i was gonna do this tek, but then i found a place 20 minutes out of the city that has a free manure sign on their lawn! But i still have to go buy some hobby hay from michaels since i really dont have a source for it. still gonna go through the same procedure

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: HarvestTheBrain]
    #1795348 - 08/09/03 01:09 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Great stuff, my buddy is following you to the "T" hes bout 1=2 weeks behind ya though

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: MycoGlowFlow]
    #1796527 - 08/09/03 08:22 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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awesome man, my monkey is doing ur tek right now, he just cased it last night after finding signs of mycilium coming thru the dung

did u get a weight?





are you supposed to case right after it pokes through or after it is completely covered with mycelium strands?


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1796576 - 08/09/03 08:44 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, they look neglected. You gotta give those babies some light so they grow straight.

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1798068 - 08/10/03 12:08 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)



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    #1798168 - 08/10/03 12:57 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

nj 8ball...but am I the only one that thinks those casings are overlayed?

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    #1799676 - 08/10/03 09:28 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

only 10g, what a shitty scale. lol jk ;] Good fucking grow man, this just goes to show..well im not sure, but its good shit definately :]


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    #1799974 - 08/10/03 11:00 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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sno: the shrooms are going in various directions because they can't really support their own weight. got several with caps open right now that have large stems which havent started producing spores yet unlike the thinner stemed ones which matured yesterday.





I appoligise if i'm misunderstanding you somehow, but you say they can't support their weight? I've seen much much bigger shrooms grow straight, those are kind of small bro, no offense. They grow like that because of a lack of light telling them which way is up and down.

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    #1801746 - 08/11/03 12:53 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Did you ever spray the poo to keep the top moist? After applying the casing layer, how often did you spray that?


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    #1802938 - 08/11/03 06:30 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with sno, thats a nice flush but they all grew twisty. Tho, it CAN be the weight once a shroom starts to grow sideways like that. When they grow straight up they can handle the weight but once it starts growing in an odd direction many times they cant handle their own weight. But yeah, those aren't too big. A little more light could help definitely.

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: calicyco]
    #1802980 - 08/11/03 06:41 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

hey thanks for the tek 8 ball i will have to give it a try. awsome flush. what strain is that? hey it doesn't matter to me if there all twisty they all look the same when they come out of my ass.:)

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    #1803086 - 08/11/03 07:12 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

any growth direction problems are likely because the shelf where i keep the terrarium is like 2 ft from the ceiling so the angle the light comes in aint close to perpendicular. and yes theres overlay. with puerto rican strain this happens quite easily.

as for misting, before pins form, about once a day, 2-3 sprays of the finest mist the sprayer will output. ive been drying them, last bunch of the 1st flush is still in the dessicant bin but it looks like the total dry yeild on 1st flush is ~1.5 oz


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    #1803363 - 08/11/03 08:42 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Is there any way to fight cobweb mold. I heard H202 sn incresing air exchange. What if it is just very very faintly growing?


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    #1803447 - 08/11/03 09:20 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Light also makes them a little fuller as well. The Puerto strain does well when grown on dung and cold shocked after the first patching of the casing layer, maybe 4 days after casing and after patching when you can see a very small uniform layer of mycelium barely breaking through the layer. At this point you need to cold shock for 24 hours then expose to light 24-7! This strain is always slow to fruit and the mycelium grows rapidly, overlay is your worst enemy of course. It also performs much better when isolated.

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    #1814935 - 08/14/03 07:24 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

how do you and why do you COLD SHOCK a Casing?

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    #1815392 - 08/14/03 10:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

To shock it into fruting. When Cubensis grows in the wild the mycelium colonizes at higher temps.. when it gets cool it's natures way of telling the mushrooms to fruit because usually after it gets cool comes the rain and humidity. So if you cold shock it's usually another way to get the fruiting going a little faster. Light triggers pinning as well, but cold shocking helps a lot.

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    #1823015 - 08/17/03 02:22 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the response, whats an easy effective way to cold shock a kitty litter pan like 8balls. ?

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    #1824655 - 08/17/03 11:39 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

heres some pics of the 1.5th flush. these pins formed while the last flush matured. i added more casing after the harvest and these buggers shot through a couple days later. they are much larger on average than the 1st flush/ very stocky stems.









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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1824750 - 08/18/03 12:08 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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good idea. breakfast!
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    #1824801 - 08/18/03 12:25 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

whats wrong with the plate? the spores?


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    #1824904 - 08/18/03 12:59 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

looks kinda like it melted in the microwave, i think its just the shadow though

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    #1825788 - 08/18/03 11:15 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

heres almost the rest from the casing that werent quite mature last night so i picked em this morning.


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    #1826069 - 08/18/03 12:25 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Nice job! Did you cold shock though? I can't help but think you would've gotten a nicer yield if it were shocked. Also, putting some black trash bag on those white areas in your fruiting chamber will help greatly in getting straigher stems.


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    #1826118 - 08/18/03 12:35 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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    #1834505 - 08/20/03 05:21 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

total yeild so far after the 1.5th flush is 2.25 oz. [edit: make that 2.5 oz] i just threw the casings into the fridge to try cold shocking the PRs. so far so good.


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    #1834520 - 08/20/03 05:28 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

yummy :laugh:

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    #1852454 - 08/26/03 06:24 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

how many flushes do you normally get out of this tek?

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    #1874807 - 09/02/03 04:14 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

you can get probably 10 flushes if you manage to keep contamination away. i'm on the 4th flush i guess, total yeild so far is 87.5g = 3.125 oz
each 8th is 2 pretty intense doses. (dung & straw) > *

ive also had a couple questions regarding my method of pasturization. and why not just mix them. well, i go with what works for me and i found that water content is very good when the straw is drained by itself for several hours. also i wouldnt want to boil poo on my stove. another reason is if theres straw on the top layer of the casing (before the casing layer is put on) it tends to attract mold a lot more than a poo layer. and finally i also did it this way because the amount of dung for both the trays alone filled the turkey pan i had bought so i couldnt really add more straw to it and bake it.



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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #1939676 - 09/22/03 01:52 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

who tryed this tek?
how did it go?
i plan on doing this with creepers and plan manure using a perlite chamber
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    #1983724 - 10/06/03 11:40 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

This isn't a "tek." It's a grow log. A visual illustration of how his mushie growing experience went.


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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #1984471 - 10/06/03 05:03 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

its a visual guided tour of my TEKNIQUE. anyone else do this verbatim before? i think not. .: its a god damned tek.


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    #1984535 - 10/06/03 05:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

LOL don't stress it 8ball.....

Anyways very nice!!! I for one would love to see more!

Congrads on a job well done! :thumbup:

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    #1984565 - 10/06/03 05:37 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

it looks good
but, my friend bets if u improve some conditions, you'd have every sq cm covered w em shrooms! looks nice tho :wink:

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    #2003132 - 10/12/03 06:07 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

but am I the only one that thinks those casings are overlayed?

definitely overlayed. PR is some damn aggressive mycelium. i think it'd have been better to fruit it instead of patching it when he did.

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    #2003736 - 10/12/03 09:53 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

can you post a pic of your fruiting chamber? it must have to be pretty large considering the size of your casings.


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    #2006012 - 10/13/03 05:48 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

58 qt sterlite will hold 2 of the cat litter boxes side by side. go to walmart pet section, snag a couple of the $2 litter boxes, then go walk over to the rubbermaid section and lay it all out.


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    #2006123 - 10/13/03 06:27 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

does this stuff stink up your house or what? Im intrested in using dung/straw but i dont want my house filled with the stench of manure.

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    #2006239 - 10/13/03 07:09 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

naw, theres some sulfer smell when baking the poo but minimal. composted cow manure doesnt reak like fresh stuff.


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Nice :laugh: 

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    #2006947 - 10/13/03 10:51 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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    #2007577 - 10/14/03 03:54 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

In my opinion, one of the most beneficial, supported ideas that sprouted from this tek was the results from a test of reliability of store bought poo mixtures. At least this brand/kind from the store you bought it from, displays quality results. I think it worked quite well by viewing your fruit. I know a lot of members in the community have hoped for a store bought solution when the other is not available. This tek seemed to help a good amount of people. I wonder if anyone else has tried using 8ball's brand of poo and how it went for them.


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    #2008517 - 10/14/03 02:29 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Should gypsum be added in porportion to the lime to add sulfate for mushroom metabolism or does the shit cover that aspect?

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: THATS iT!]
    #2008830 - 10/14/03 04:03 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The first critic.

Well I have to criticize the yeilds, obviously these are defin. going to be more potent but look at the numbers

2 quart jars yielding lets say 100g dry. (87 was the number he had at the 4th flush)

so thats 4 pint jars right there.
Using a normal casing some coco coir about 28g/pint can be achieved, this in only 3 flushes.  the resulting yield is about 112g.
This can be achieved consistantly.

This tek is perfect for producing more potent mushrooms, but is it really bulk? in comparison to usual casings?

I'm not trying to start conflict, I'm wondering if the yields (mass) are going to be higher than the 25-28g/pint that can be achieved with
finch cased with coco coir.

I must thank you though for giving us this nice visual guide, I hope your stock goes well :smile:

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Re: 8ball's Urban Bulk Poo/Straw Tek Pictorial COMPLETED [Re: Eightball]
    #2440031 - 03/16/04 03:35 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Would manure with humus be ok for this tek?

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    #2442824 - 03/17/04 10:15 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

make sure its primarily composed poo. mine contained 'composted forest products' or something like that in addition to the poo. but humus shouldnt hurt if theres at least the poo in it.


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    #2444223 - 03/17/04 05:28 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

How much was your dry yield?


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    #2444591 - 03/17/04 07:15 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

~3,5 oz of *too* potent shrooms. figure 3.5g per avg dose for avg mush = 1.75g of these. so thats 7oz worth of trips.


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    #2444739 - 03/17/04 07:56 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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