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PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan
#17098404 - 10/25/12 11:33 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a "real" fake ID, used it to get a P.O. box in a different fake name, fake address, etc. I am ordering something that has a good chance of being stopped as its hard to hide. In the sad event it does, what would happen? Similar amounts have resulted in the LEO showing up at the door of the poor people who ordered, not a love letter as I would have assumed.
If I notice its held up at customs, can I simply dispose of that ID and the P.O. box (paid in cash and not at the post office but a private mailbox) is untraceable to me, I lose out on a bit of money but not my freedom. Can you think of any errors you can see in my plan? LEO is not going to wait at the P.O box day after day wondering if I will be coming that day to pick it up. I don't plan on bringing the parcel anywhere near to my real residence, so if they do have a tracking device inside I will be able to open and find it before it goes anywhere near anything that would have contact with me.
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: Anonymous #1]
#17098508 - 10/25/12 11:50 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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It seems like you did the right thing. It's impossible to not leave a paper trail, but you made sure the trail ended with a dead end. Of course they can't trace it back to you unless you left fingerprints. And narcoswine are to lazy to be bothered with fingerprinting things, 99% of the time anyways.
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: Anonymous #2]
#17099596 - 10/25/12 02:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would think you would be fine.
Just don't go back to that PO again if things go sour
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Anonymous #1
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: Anonymous #3]
#17099637 - 10/25/12 02:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: I would think you would be fine.
Just don't go back to that PO again if things go sour 
Thanks guys. How long would you wait for a box to be in customs before declaring it a possible LEO trap? I know sometimes it takes a day or so to clear.
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: Anonymous #1]
#17099753 - 10/25/12 02:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: I would think you would be fine.
Just don't go back to that PO again if things go sour 
Thanks guys. How long would you wait for a box to be in customs before declaring it a possible LEO trap? I know sometimes it takes a day or so to clear.
I'd let it sit at the private mail box for at least a week. When you pick it up park in the lot a couple businesses down frm the place and then immediately open it and check it for gps trackers. Depending how illegal your contraband is they will go that far if they do an intercept, but definitely pick it up at least. Sometimes things need a cooling off period, and narcoswine always go off half cocked, expecting things to be ongoing when they swoop in. That knowledge is to your advantage, knowing how they operate.
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: Anonymous #1]
#17102201 - 10/25/12 09:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: Thanks guys. How long would you wait for a box to be in customs before declaring it a possible LEO trap? I know sometimes it takes a day or so to clear.
Occasionally even legit packages sit in customs for weeks.
Also remember that the PO box store probably has a video of you renting the box.
If it has a tracking number, make sure you don't check it from home or using tor.
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Anonymous said: Thanks guys. How long would you wait for a box to be in customs before declaring it a possible LEO trap? I know sometimes it takes a day or so to clear.
Occasionally even legit packages sit in customs for weeks.
Also remember that the PO box store probably has a video of you renting the box.
If it has a tracking number, make sure you don't check it from home or using tor.
this. also, consider if the fact that if you face is on video with the timestamp of the PO purchase they'll plaster it in every other USPS/Mailing Office within such a wide radius until they find you that you're gonna have to go outta state to open up a new one. Then obviously by crossing state lines that adds to extra federal crimes
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Alan Rockefeller said: If it has a tracking number, make sure you don't check it from home or using tor.
Why do you not recommend following the tracking number using tor Alan? I'm a little confused as to why it's not a good idea, even though your hiding behind tor?
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: gENERIX]
#17117012 - 10/28/12 11:06 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think its because it is a red flag and will raise suspicion as to why you are having to check it from ToR.
I had a question too though. Just how hard is it to get/make a fake ID? I am seriously considering going through SR but my one snag is getting a convincing-looking fake ID to use to rent a PO box. I don't want to have more charges on top of what I might already get if I'm discovered to have a fake ID as well.
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: gENERIX]
#17120261 - 10/28/12 08:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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gENERIX said: Why do you not recommend following the tracking number using tor Alan? I'm a little confused as to why it's not a good idea, even though your hiding behind tor?
It makes them likely to check the contents of your box.
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If they really wanted to bust you, They could just post an undercover agent there to wait for you but that all depends on the contents of the box and the quantity. Unless it is something serious your expecting I think youl be fine with the above info.
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Legit packages will sit in customs a while no matter what. If it gets out in 5 days or less consider yourself lucky. If it takes over 2 weeks there is still a chance. Use a vpn to check the tracking or better yet, use a vpn and a service like packagetrackr to check it. Or use tor through a service. I don't know if they will open a package just because someone checked it directly with tor, that is more of a rumor than a fact but they could see it was checked with tor.
Tracking is always behind the fact. It will say its in customs until the day it shows up at your door, or in this case, at the private mailbox.
How does anyone know they have recording of everything? Some places do, some don't. The post office does but a private mail place may not. I've checked out a few and some do some don't. I really really doubt they keep records for months or anything. If they find something contraband most likely they toss it or toss and send a ll. A controlled delivery is very unlikely. Can you simply go up and use your key to open the box? Home free then. If not, simply go in, see if things look normal, ask the gal behind the counter if you got any mail and she brings it over or she doesn't. If she gets a look on her face and says it'll be a few minutes and goes in back, you exit stage left. No way in hades they will have an agent hanging around 24/7 even if its an oz or more of coke or heroin. A kilo and anything is possible. I'd bet you are safe, just check it after enough time using a service and then check every few days after it hits customs. I have one in customs now, i'm not sweating it.
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: Stonehenge]
#17126271 - 10/29/12 06:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Legit packages will sit in customs a while no matter what.
Not if you know the tricks of import expediting. I have such interest in this I've given some thought to opening my own import expediting company to help legitimate companies get their products faster and to avoid customs duties by using third party ports for reshipment of duty goods. I could also help companies violate sanctions and the trading with the enemy act with impunity, but I wouldn't do a thing like that, I'm a patriotic American and not a low down Rockefeller... lol Besides the following easy methods there are other tricks I won't disclose because I don' know how widely aware customs is even on to them.
It depends how much you pay for shipping. When you pay $1000 to $2000 for shipping you become a valuable costumer whose repeat business they want. One good commercial customer will make them more money for the courier than 500 individuals, you are their bread and butter and get special relationship service. A shipping expediter acquaintance of mine laughed as he was telling me how he has helped people receive packaged bulk powders of mislabeled but legal non-contraband substances (intermediates of designer drugs) in 5 days or less from both European and Asian countries. I know it's probably not fair, but the expedited shipping from UPS, Fed EX, and DHL will bypass customs almost altogether because those outfits have their own customs facilities that operate 24 hours a day and directly contribute amazing amounts of efficiency to the global economy. Which one to use will depend on the exporters relationship with their local sales agent, but DHL is least preferable because they are slowest, do not deliver weekends, and depending on the source country may not have workers on the weekend there either, they are far to respectful of local customs to deserve our dollars, imo.
Another trick is to get things both mislabeled and marked on import/export ledgers as a lost parcel part of a shipment that has already cleared customs. If you can not get it labeled in the already cleared customs bypass category then mislabeling won't be adequate, you will need to pay for maximum rate shipping instead. Again, this relies on the vendor-shipping-representative relationship to be effective.
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: Anonymous #2]
#17127260 - 10/29/12 08:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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>When you pay $1000 to $2000 for shipping...
You are talking about major smuggling and that shit is dangerous. Don't let anyone tell you it isn't.
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: Stonehenge]
#17128104 - 10/29/12 11:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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No it's not smuggling I'm talking about. You said every legitimate parcel is hung up for 5 days and I just challenged that statement. What I'm describing here is nothing more than the way the large international shipping couriers Fed Ex, UPS, and DHL operate. While it is theoretically applied to smuggling it is not necessarily so, and probably rarely done because most drug traffickers are very stupid people. Why else would they go into a business that can get them put in prison or killed? They are by definition idiots. In fact I'd say the vast majority of drug smugglers would generally be too dumb to even appear to be legitimate and would be rapidly caught and put in prison.
My acquaintance is a client of my business, and was in my fraternity so we trust each other is why he told me about it. Part of what I do is Quickbooks consulting. One of the companies he does expediting work for is of the Dollar store type place, his biggest client actually. They import huge amounts of cheap goods but never without receiving a sample of the product first. In these situations it's sometimes necessary to get samples of the merchandise from overseas fast. Usually ordinary shipping is fine, but if there's a deadline to get a lot price for cheap sea cargo shipping rates or something like that the order to be placed in the summer for November delivery, etc. If it is early summer and there is some hot product they may want on the shelf for Christmas, they will gladly pay $1500 for the shipping on the sample lot. The shipping might be the $1,500 and the value of the merchandise only $200, but it is worth it for speedy delivery. Another of his clients is actually a generic pharmaceutical company that produces some of the medicines sold in this same dollar store type place that is his largest client. They do not order sight unseen and likewise want to test samples of products before they begin production. If they do a batch of aspirin or vitamin c they will order a barrel of the lot they'd be purchasing to do their tests on before they do the final production. They'll mislabel the product for shipment as well, because you're not technically supposed to ship it by air because it could be slightly corrosive or some other such rubbish. That's where the influence of the exporter with the shipping sales representative is important. The courier sales representative needs to keep the exporter pleased because they are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars as a client and they don't want to lose the account, so they OK it for shipment with a false label knowing perfectly well what it is. This is all above board, sort of. Their getting the sample is making sure they don't order a pallet of salicylic acid or vitamin c that is of inferior quality or adulterated, they are happy to pay $1,500 to ship the sample because they have a large amount of money at stake, they have to meet FDA standards of purity and getting a bad batch of product from a licensed producer overseas is not an excuse that can avoid a recall and penalties. The sample cost is simply part of the buying process for a lot of firms. Besides his few large clients he has variously gotten rapid prototypes imported for a company that does custom spoilers for race cars. He can save that client $13,000 US by going overseas for the prototype work and rapidly importing it. It's this kind of efficiency that is the bread and butter of the fast paced global economy. If you getting a contract depends on having a prototype in hand within a week you'll be glad to pay $2200 to import it, especially if it means you save $13,000 besides. The shipping is a normal cost of doing business. The case of the chemicals that could be designer drug intermediates was also a legitimate business order. At least that client formed a corporation and had the appearances of legitimacy. If my client hadn't researched what that chemical was used for he would never have realized it was for drug production. As a result he charged them a much larger fee than usual and they still paid it too, which is what he told me about laughing. We used to smoke a lot of pot in college and he knows I don't care about that stuff. If whoever those people are should ever get busted for producing designer drugs my client still won't have done anything illegal because the chemicals were themselves legal unregulated compounds and he just helps companies import things, he doesn't know what chemicals are used for, lol. He'd estimate that maybe 1 in 5000 expedited orders are on the shady side.
Now it's my idea to open a company doing this same thing, but also to help companies bypass tariffs. It's not something I'm going to do, but shooting the shit with this guy gives me ideas. And I would never get involved in drugs smuggling, the penalties can be life sentences. Avoiding tariffs however will get you slapped with paying the tariffs and estimated back tariffs and perhaps but probably not penalties. It's not a crime you'd go to prison for even if you get caught but could be very profitable. But, knowing how international trade works it almost makes me wonder how smugglers can be so stupid as to get caught with a few kilos. If I were going to smuggle, and I am not, I would tap into the routes of transportation used by legitimate businesses, use a freight forwarder (account opened with fake id) as the final delivery address, pay off whoever is running the warehouse to call my attorney I'd hire if there was anything unusual about the order, and then still let it sit there with the freight forwarder for a few week before checking in with the attorney before picking it up. Hackers use internet proxies to hack, to insulate themselves from potential consequences of their crimes. It seems to me that smugglers should use proxies to order and receive these chemicals. I don't believe this would work necessarily from a drug producing country, but from the sweat shop countries it's an integrated part of the way US businesses work their supply chain management. To try to change it might mean a lot of factory workers here in the states would be idle or that contracts lost. I have a head for logistics and technical work, and like I said, my daydreams on the subject will remain just dreams. But it can't hurt to dream can it? I have a solid career and am comfortable enough as it is without getting into that kind of stuff, another full time job.
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Re: PO boxes, and fake IDs and my plan [Re: Anonymous #2]
#17130261 - 10/30/12 12:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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>No it's not smuggling I'm talking about. You said every legitimate parcel is hung up for 5 days and I just challenged that statement.
Actually, i said they "will sit in customs a while" not stating a number of days. It could be more than 5 days. I had a company in south america i did some business with and they got it to me in 2 days, never more than 3 from their door to mine. They used fedex express and their delivery method worked very well.
>most drug traffickers are very stupid people. Why else would they go into a business that can get them put in prison or killed? They are by definition idiots. In fact I'd say the vast majority of drug smugglers would generally be too dumb to even appear to be legitimate and would be rapidly caught and put in prison.
There are plenty like that, those are the ones who get caught, for the most part. The smart ones only get caught when ratted out, usually. If you think there are not lots of smart smugglers, check out the street price and availability of drugs in every major city as well as smaller cities.
>He'd estimate that maybe 1 in 5000 expedited orders are on the shady side.
And some of the shady ones were not totally illegal just precursors or new designer drugs. The high volume of international trade makes it hard to catch anything.
>If I were going to smuggle, and I am not, I would tap into the routes of transportation used by legitimate businesses, use a freight forwarder (account opened with fake id) as the final delivery address, pay off whoever is running the warehouse to call my attorney I'd hire if there was anything unusual about the order, and then still let it sit there with the freight forwarder for a few week before checking in with the attorney before picking it up
Your mistakes are first, paying off the guy who runs the warehouse which admits you are doing something funny. If there is a place for a contact phone number, then of course use it but slipping a payment is like a big wink and tips them off to watch out for you. They may turn you in or steal your shipment. Having an attorney involved does not make it legal. Not getting a call does not mean its safe and getting a call may be normal procedure "your shipment is in, come and get it"
I would not be so sure that dodging tariffs will get no more than a slap on the wrist. If it looks like an on going operation they may make an example of the person. Since you don't know for sure what they are sending and you are helping them dodge tariffs, if it turns out to be drugs you will be implicated.
I'm not into any of that. If i hypothetically got a small package from overseas, it might be a gift from someone that i knew nothing about. When people get greedy is when they get caught. They have to do just one more load and then they will quit. Then one more after that.
With your knowledge of int shipping you could no doubt make money at it
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