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FrankHorrigan
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spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on?
#17097970 - 10/25/12 09:52 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard both ways, and I want your opinion. When thinking mostly about the yield from a bulk substrate, is it better to use a very high spawn ratio or a more reasonable one? I'm debating using close to a 1:1 ratio this round. If I went with a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio tho, I could turn one tub into two with those spawn jars.
Which do you prefer?
Edited by FrankHorrigan (06/09/13 01:21 PM)
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#17098009 - 10/25/12 10:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mine usually varies slightly. Usually in the 1:1.5 range, sometimes I go to 1:1
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: makingmoney]
#17098030 - 10/25/12 10:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I personally like 1:2-1:4 ratio. Typically I use 1:2 for my size trays.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: delta1]
#17098162 - 10/25/12 10:37 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm using 60L tubs, meaning around 10L of substrate in my case and I go around 1:5
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18392365 - 06/09/13 01:06 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Frank,
I know this thread is 7 months old, but what spawn ratios are you using these days for coir/verm?
I'm still confused as to what is truly ideal, I'm using about 1:2 currently.. 
I read RR say he uses a 1:10 ratio for his substrates 
It would be nice to hear some peoples current opinions on spawn ratio.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: Timehole]
#18392379 - 06/09/13 01:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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As far as I know RR uses a 1:10 ratio for oysters on straw logs.
Oysters are very fast and aggressive colonizers.
As for me, I do my work a bit differently now.
I knock up one quart of grains for a master jar and grain to grain that jar into a filter bag containing eight quarts of grain.
I spawn those to whatever one brick coir, 2 quarts verm comes out to be. Usually 9-11qts of sub.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18392407 - 06/09/13 01:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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So whats the deal on this, ive never really thought about it.
Ive only ever used 1:1 and 1:2.
AT the moment the size of tubs ive been using have only really been able to cope with 1 jar of grain and 2 jars of bulk substrate.
ive got bigger tubs i want to try so maybe i should try a larger spawn.
My main worry with going upto 1:5 is colinisation speed since even with 1:2 its usually still close to 2 weeks for full colinisation. 1:1 actually for me didnt really colinise that much faster.
so i dont know
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: veda_sticks]
#18392416 - 06/09/13 01:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I mix evenly and get 4-6 day colonization times with my tubs at 1:1.5.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18392589 - 06/09/13 02:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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For some reason, my Rye tubs need 1:1. They colonize too slow if I use a lower ratio. I havent really noticed a difference in production, but I'm just now getting isolates that are good enough for me to use all the time. In the next few months I'll be testing it out.
For RGS, I do 4-5 qrts of spawn to a full brick of coir and 2-3 qrts of verm. So thats 4:16ish or 1:4 and I get full colonization of my tub in about a week and have been averaging about 4.5oz dried on my first flush for MS. (I havent been letting the caps open on my tubs so I bet that if I let everything fully mature it would be like 5-6oz dried).
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18392621 - 06/09/13 02:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Blake, tried dunking your grains before spawning? It'll speed that right along.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18392774 - 06/09/13 02:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've thought about this and come to the conclusion that I can cook grain faster than I can colonize a tub, so I use a good bit. Roughly a 2:1. This gets my tubs done in 3-5 days, usually. I used to do a 5:1 ratio, and yield was roughly the same.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18392891 - 06/09/13 03:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Hey Blake, tried dunking your grains before spawning? It'll speed that right along.
Ya I have tried it a bit, but honestly when I switched to RGS, I dont think I'll be using Rye for a while. I'm loving RGS.
To be fair though, my rye jars didnt have the best cultures. A lot of them were old and also PE, so that definitely accounts for some of the slowness of my tubs colonizing.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18392969 - 06/09/13 03:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
As for me, I do my work a bit differently now.
I knock up one quart of grains for a master jar and grain to grain that jar into a filter bag containing eight quarts of grain.
I spawn those to whatever one brick coir, 2 quarts verm comes out to be. Usually 9-11qts of sub.
I pretty much do things this way if I am doing spawned substrates.I would go from 1 jar inoc'd with agar. That jar would go into 2 bags of 4 liters of spawn each. Let colonize. Dunk(important step IMHO) then split each bag into 2 tubes each with half of damions coir recipe(Pasteurized properly not with bucket tek) So I basically get 4 tubs from one wedge of agar. I could very easily stretch it double or triple with out issues but this way works with me for spawned substrates. Which I currently am running as far away from as possible.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: PrinceShroom]
#18393828 - 06/09/13 07:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can dunk RGS and you should. The grain dunk applies to all grains, not just rye and WBS 
I bet you'll see faster colonization times overall.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18393930 - 06/09/13 07:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do. I use spawn bags and fill em up with water before I spawn. I just don't usually fully break IP the grain before dunking.
I'm going to spawn a different tub in the next few days and I'll double my spawn ratio so its closer to 1:2 instead of 1:4 and see if I notice a difference in colonization and dry weight
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18393965 - 06/09/13 07:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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with straw+blended pfcakes (very fast colonizing when mixed in): 1:3-1:4 or so, haven't measured
but 1 cake per sqft and about 1" sub
2 cakes yield 125g (and could probably have hydrated straw a bit longer before pcing)
soon trying 4" sub 
haven't had any problems (3 tubs), use pasteurization
straw is pretty nice, and blended pfcakes colonize very fast (think 5 days or so before about 100%, but I still waited till 10 days before fruiting)
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: lessismore]
#18394031 - 06/09/13 08:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Frank, I'm using 1 brick coir, 2 quarts Verm, 1/4 gypsum and 5 quarts spawn. I'm seeing 100% in 6-7 days, knotting around the same time or shortly after and pins by day 10.
Oh yeah. I'm dunking my grain! 
I've decided to take my master jar. G2g that to ten more. Then those into 20 bags with 5 quarts grain each. At that rate I can be spawning to bulk with those 20 bags within a months time. Very possibly seeing fruits in a months time.
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18394087 - 06/09/13 08:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Blake_Shroom said: I just don't usually fully break IP the grain before dunking.
Can I inquire why?
They won't hydrate fully in 10-20 min if you don't break them up really well
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18394138 - 06/09/13 08:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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My thoughts about spawn ratio:
spawn contain plenty of nutrients I think, but not enough water to fruit a lot
the purpose of the sub is to provide the water and right texture
but you must also be able to colonize the sub within a reasonable time period, so it doesn't contam
I would probably chose a spawn ratio so I can colonize all sub within 1-2 weeks
blended cakes help make colonization fast for me, so 1:4 works fine
are there any other reasons?
any ways it is possible to have a 1:10 spawn ratio (heard it is used commercially sometimes)?
Edited by lessismore (06/09/13 08:35 PM)
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Re: spawn ratios...which side of the argument do you fall on? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18394335 - 06/09/13 08:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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Blake_Shroom said: I just don't usually fully break IP the grain before dunking.
Can I inquire why?
They won't hydrate fully in 10-20 min if you don't break them up really well 
With my rgs spawn bags, there's so much grain to break up that in order to dunk of I would need to brake it up, dunk in a desperate container, strain, then spawn. It just seems like a huge pain I'm the ass with rgs, but this next tub I'll do it. Honestly I've just gotten enough time to do this much tubs and stuff and I was away for 2 weeks so there's been a lot on my hands and doing a few extra steps when spawning (breaking up rgs is such a bitch) I guess I just figured id skip it and go do the many many other things I need to do.
I'll try it though and let you know
Sorry for the ot talk in this thread. Let's talk spawn ratio!
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