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Long shot identification
    #1708786 - 07/12/03 05:15 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Right, I haven't got a digital camera (I know, I know, it's been ordered, it's on it's way) What I have got is a strange fungus sample, a magnifying glass, a scalpel, and I'm going to have a damn good go at describing it.  If no-one can identify it from this, hopefully it will still be around by the time the camera turns up :smile:.

First the preliminaries:

Habitat: UK (guess that counts as western europe), found growing in my back garden in a neglected polystyrene tray (the type you buy plants in) full of peat moss compost.

Characteristics of the gills: No gills visible

Measurements of cap and stem: No stem at all, caps range from 10 to 20mm for what appear to be fully grown specimens (I've not found any bigger specimens, and the specimens I have don't appear to have grown any more since I first noticed them)

Characteristics of cap: This is really the whole fruitbody, as there's no stem.  The 'cap' is kind of cup shaped, ie: the rim is higher than the centre all the way around.  Most of the specimens are bunched closely together, so the caps are mostly irregularly shaped, but from the few isolated small specimens, I believe that the 'natural' shape of the cap is circular/oval.  The shoddy picture below hopefully illustrates what I mean.

Right, the exterior of the cap (as per my picture) is a very pale tan almost white, the interior is a dark tan colour.  The exterior is quite rough looking, compared to the inside which is quite smooth.  Around the rim of the cap there appears to be a slight browning.  It's worth noting that the compost these are in is quite dry, so the specimens may be drying out slightly (I guess this will affect the colouring).  I do remember seeing them after a good shower of rain, when they were much darker.  I can see neither gills nor pores on either the inside or outside of the caps, even using my magnifying glass.

Spore print: As I can't see any gills or pores, I don't think I can take a spore print.

Smell: Very mild 'mushroomy' smell. (Could I be any less helpful? :wink: )

Brusing: There's no apparent colour change when cut.

The fruits are clustered in groups of five or six, I've explored down into the compost in which they're growing, and each cluster seems to be growing from an independent mycelial mass.  That is, below each cluster is a quite small root shaped lump of mycelium.  The growth doesn't appear to extend further into the compost.

I appreciate that this isn't much to go on, but I'd really appreciate any best guesses or long shots.  No real need to know what it is, but dammit, I'm just curious :laugh: 


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Re: Long shot identification [Re: Babble]
    #1709078 - 07/12/03 06:54 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Your specimens are cup fungi, probably ascomycetes.

My wild guess is that you've found Encoelia furfuracea.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Long shot identification [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1709183 - 07/12/03 07:36 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Malastiza chateri [ascomycetes]

a species of damp, bare soil, most often found in extensive clusters.
upto 1.5cm in diameter. autumn-spring. inedible
[collins gem guide - mushrooms and toadstools]

although i cant find anything of this mushroom on the net.


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Re: Long shot identification [Re: mikey_]
    #1710876 - 07/13/03 05:53 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

They look very close to ToxicMan's guess, but smoother on the outside, and the rim of the cap is less ragged. I may have misled you all by saying the outside is quite rough. Now I think about it, it's only rough compared to the inside. Thanks very much for your guesses so far. I'll try and remember to post a picture when I get the camera. One other thing I thought of is that the compost until recently had some small plants in it, which died. Is it possible that I've got a root parasite of some sort here?

They look more like:



But they're definitely not those, because they're not on wood, and they're much lighter in colour, more browny/tan.

Mikey, does this confirm your identifcation at all?


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Re: Long shot identification [Re: Babble]
    #1710938 - 07/13/03 08:20 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)



this is all i can find on the mushroom, nothing on the net.


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Re: Long shot identification [Re: mikey_]
    #1711071 - 07/13/03 11:49 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

That's the one mikey! Thanks very much. The colouring is about right, the size is correct, the habitat and clustering are right. And the picture shows the same browning around the rim. Thanks for scanning that in for me.


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Re: Long shot identification [Re: Babble]
    #1711555 - 07/13/03 03:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

No probs mate. i'm just wondering why i cant find any information anywhere else on it!


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Re: Long shot identification [Re: mikey_]
    #1712524 - 07/13/03 10:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Nice job.

Now all we have to do is figure out anything about them. You've just posted the only reference I can find anywhere to the genus, let alone the species.

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Re: Long shot identification [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1713582 - 07/14/03 08:32 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

yeah its pretty strange thats its the only reference anywhere.
it's taken from "Collins Gem Guide - Mushrooms and Toadstools by John Wilkinson and Stefan Buczacki. first published 1982,bought mid 1990's, so it is a little old.


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Re: Long shot identification [Re: mikey_]
    #1737952 - 07/22/03 12:57 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Right, my camera arrived, so here's a photo of the mystery fungus. Apologies for the poor focus, but it was the best of a bad bunch:




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