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Invisible1stimer
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to those that vote based on tax cuts
    #1708117 - 07/12/03 10:59 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

how does it feel to have money be the most important thing in your lives? I bet you all are self centered and greedy.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: 1stimer]
    #1708127 - 07/12/03 11:07 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Is money important or not, in your opinion? If not, why do you even post about tax cuts?


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Invisible1stimer
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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1708133 - 07/12/03 11:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

im not saying it isnt important. what im saying it is sad that some people view money as more important than anything else in life.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: 1stimer]
    #1708138 - 07/12/03 11:21 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

what an ignorant assumption. you do realize there are people struggling to get by and our economy is in a slump, right?


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: ]
    #1708140 - 07/12/03 11:22 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Give me a damn break.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: 1stimer]
    #1708148 - 07/12/03 11:26 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

OK. But voting for a tax cut is not only about wanting more money, it's also about voting for less money being controlled by politicians. And politicians are seldom good at handling large amounts of money.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: 1stimer]
    #1708188 - 07/12/03 11:53 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

*snort*

Stooge.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: ]
    #1708229 - 07/12/03 12:25 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"you do realize there are people struggling to get by and our economy is in a slump, right"

tax cuts for the wealthy do not help people who are struggling to get by. tax cuts when the economy is in a slump has been proven to hinder an economic recovery. just look at the past 2.5 years.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: 1stimer]
    #1708294 - 07/12/03 01:01 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

You are so full of crap! You kill me. What tax cuts for the rich? The only people that did will not benefit from the new tax cuts are those who don't pay taxes. These people wonder why they do not get the same tax cut on the EIC. It is because it is a tax cut, not a fucking handout to people who don't pay anyway.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1708329 - 07/12/03 01:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

youre off topic. read original post.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: 1stimer]
    #1708520 - 07/12/03 03:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

We are talking about tax cuts and I was responding to your last post directly.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1708585 - 07/12/03 03:55 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

shakta said:
You are so full of crap! You kill me. What tax cuts for the rich? The only people that did will not benefit from the new tax cuts are those who don't pay taxes. These people wonder why they do not get the same tax cut on the EIC. It is because it is a tax cut, not a fucking handout to people who don't pay anyway.


"What tax cuts for the rich"??? You've got to be kidding. Here's a really good summary of who benefits from the tax cuts. 43% of the massive cuts will come from the top 1% of the population.

You like to use big words like "full of crap", to defend your position, but you should start using facts instead. For most people on these boards, that's a much more effective way to make a point.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1708598 - 07/12/03 04:00 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Using simple logic...

if the rich pay most of the taxes, they should get most of the tax cuts.

If the poor pay little to no taxes, they should get little to no tax cut.

And it's well known that because of bullshit like the so called "Earned Income Credit", that many not only pay ZERO in income taxes, they get a check far in excess of the amount the would / should have paid.

Sadly, is was Reagen that signed the EIC into law. It was one of his greatest mistakes.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1708626 - 07/12/03 04:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

That's sound logic lds. But if it were a fair tax cut, I would think everyone should see a similar reduction in taxes. But the top 1% are seeing a 14% reduction in taxes, while most everyone else only sees about a 6% - 7% reduction (see page 4 of the link above, I wasn't able to paste the image here). Doesn't that mean the tax cuts do favor the rich???


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1708644 - 07/12/03 04:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"We are talking about tax cuts and I was responding to your last post directly."
the topic is about how taxs arent the most important thing to consider when one votes. if it is then youre obssessed with money.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: 1stimer]
    #1708957 - 07/12/03 06:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I think freedom to do what we want with our lives and control our own earnings is extremely important. Tax cuts are simply a way to take power from the government and put it in the hands of the people. I will not vote for any politician who does not think that we deserve to keep the money that we earn.
Taxes take more than just our money. They also take away our time as we spend some of it working for the government. I vote for whoever is more likely to stop taking away our freedoms and that includes our economic freedom.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: z@z.com]
    #1709320 - 07/12/03 08:16 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Remember the difference between a tax cut and a tax deferrment. You might get a few dollars back now,but you'll pay for it later.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: 1stimer]
    #1709370 - 07/12/03 08:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see any point in taxing the poor at all anyway. It just places a disproportionate financial burden on them without generating any significant revenue.

I think in addition to the proposed cuts we should raise the standard deduction to $15,000; about double what it is now.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1709766 - 07/12/03 10:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Luvedemshrroms wrote:
Using simple logic...
if the rich pay most of the taxes, they should get most of the tax cuts.
If the poor pay little to no taxes, they should get little to no tax cut.


Using simple logic...
Large amounts of money tend to generate income from interest, rent, stock trades and investment banking.
Corporate mergers and superbanks tend to conglomerate large amounts of money (and by extension, power) which is a threat to the prosperity of the poor and the freedom of the individual.

SO-
If the american way is to be preserved from devolving into a communist politburo type of situation (IE- 5% of people controlling 90% of resources), the rich should be taxed disproportionately higher
than poor people.


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Re: to those that vote based on tax cuts [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1709812 - 07/12/03 10:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Good post DoctorJ.  :thumbup: 


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