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OfflineYellowPurpleHills
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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: YellowPurpleHills]
    #1707319 - 07/11/03 11:53 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

MAOI's will make a trip more intense in most cases only if they have been taken for a short peroid. Long term chronic use of an MAOI usually decreases the effects in most people (emphasis on most, not everyone will react the same).


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: YellowPurpleHills]
    #1707425 - 07/12/03 01:04 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Most people dont report much of an increase with MAOIs. I've heard the term "smooths out a mushroom trip"...


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #1707486 - 07/12/03 01:33 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I took elavil (trycyclic antidepressant) while having a shitty trip last night. The pills didn't increase the intensity of my trip too much, but they calmed down negative feelings a lot, and made me less anxious.


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: poke smot!]
    #1708230 - 07/12/03 12:26 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Most people dont report much of an increase with MAOIs. I've heard the term "smooths out a mushroom trip"...

I'd say that those people weren't using the maoi right.. like maybe made tea with rue without grounding it up.

Syrian rue is definetly some kickass stuff I highly reccomend it. I don't know that I'd describe it as mushrooms x2... it's definetly more intense, but it simplifies it to say it simply doubles the trip.

It's awesome check it out.


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: Dogomush]
    #1708512 - 07/12/03 03:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

In my case I make a extraction with the Syrian rue, and make small M & M size tar balls.
I take one of these 45 before a trip.
I cannot tell if it makes it 2X more potent, but definitely the trip is different.
Smother less edgy and more positive, I like it very much and I always use it.
The effect is hard to describe, is like rue allows you to experience the mushroom world at a speed that you can handle, maybe it is more potent but you can deal with what you are experiencing better.


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: LOBO]
    #1708620 - 07/12/03 04:09 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Since we're on the topic of MAOI's,I would like to point out that natural ones like Syrian Rue are much safer than pharm. ones when taken with psychedelics. IMO,it is dangerous to take a pharm. MAOI with most recreational drugs.


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: monoamine]
    #1709119 - 07/12/03 07:10 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Not forgetting there are diffrent types of Maoi some may work other dont. I think it may have something to do with type a Maoi and type b Maoi.


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: EvilGir]
    #1709164 - 07/12/03 07:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I only tried it ones, and resulted in my only real mush. bad trip to date. it was just grounded harmala seeds, and it was no fun at all. Not even the lovely visuals I normally have (wich I thought it would strenghten), but just a mean mindfuck.
but I think I'll try it again some time. but with extracted harmala instead, as I think the grounded seeds are too "rough" (plus I've read a lot about it not being good for the body). And probably a lower dose, as I think it was also due to the high dose. But I think you should try it, and see if it's for you. but start low :smile: and remember the diet! its quite dangerous if you dont know anything about it!


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: Bardo]
    #1709432 - 07/12/03 08:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I did about 1 gram of cubes and split over 10 grams of rue with my little bor and one friend of his, they each took just under a gram of cubes.

And that could have been the best trip I had in my whole life , if my brother stopped freaking out and his friend didnt puke so much , think that I am the DEVIL etc etc , in the morning , still tripping hard, we had a great time smoking hash though......I LOVED IT, even though they found it to be a "bit intense"

my bro was looking real scared and I said "whoa man you look like you have been seeing ghoasts all night" and then he looked MUCH MORE SCARED and I said ......."well what do you want me to call them???"!!

and during this time I WAS seeing some pretty fucked up shit come through the walls etc, I dont know if it was the rue but I measured out WAY more than needed , but the rue made a gram of cubes amazing

Next time(coming up soon couple of days) I am going to do 3 grams of rue and a gram and a half of cubes ALONE:)


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: YellowPurpleHills]
    #1715259 - 07/14/03 07:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I wish I could use syrian rue for oral DMT use, but I'm on anti-depressents and that's supposed to be a no-no.


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: Twirling]
    #1717579 - 07/15/03 08:15 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"whre do you get..."
seeds of Peganum harmala are widely available on the internet (prices anywhere from $10/oz or  more to like $15/lb, so shop around :wink: )...
the plant is considered a "noxious weed" in some parts of the american southwest...
some middle eastern stores (arab, pakistani, indian, etc.) may carry the seeds as dye, incense, medicine, whatever... (names such as esphand, spand, zit-el-harmel, etc...)
and relatively pure alkaloids crystals can be extracted using white vinegar (hot soak ground seeds)& table salt (add 100 gm/liter & chill), with yields ranging from 2% up to maybe 8% harmine & harmaline HCl salts... & active doses ranging from like 50 mg up to maybe 175 - 250 mg for full MAO inhibition)


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: poke smot!]
    #1718094 - 07/15/03 02:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I don't actually think you would die from mixing rue with an SSRI,unless you're an unlucky bastard. It's still not a good idea though.


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: monoamine]
    #1718466 - 07/15/03 04:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I have no intention of doing such a thing. I'm quiet aware that it's very dangerous.


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Re: Erowid's take on MAOI [Re: Twirling]
    #1720346 - 07/16/03 04:13 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

here what I want to know


I have done Rue before and avoided all the food and drugs I thought I was supposed to but I wasent sure about HOW LONG I was not to eat and use certain things, soI picked 24 hours before and after my RUE but I have since done 12 before and after and the problem I have is there is info about what not to eat but no specific times


HOW LONG SHOULD I NOT EAT CERTAIN FOOD , before and after rue?


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