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ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts
    #1706892 - 07/11/03 07:07 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

FUCK YOU! You selfish bastards! You think I should support these tax cuts because they benifit you?! My generation's gonna have to pay for it, asshole! Thanks a lot! If welfare is theft, then you're robbing me blind, just for your own benefit, so fuck you!


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1706904 - 07/11/03 07:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Let me guess..... someone bit your ass.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1706910 - 07/11/03 07:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

No, I just saw you in another thread saying how great these tax cuts are because you get more money from them, so I thought I'd cuss you out for robbing me.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1706915 - 07/11/03 07:12 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Get your panties out of your ass. These things are cyclical. An defecits and surplusses you will ever here about are theoretical. When the economy comes back, the defecit will shrink big time. BTW, fuck you! I want to keep as much of my fucking money as I can. Let the homeless bums get a damn job and pay for their own shit.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1706928 - 07/11/03 07:15 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I support the tax cuts and I made $3,000 dollars last year.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1706937 - 07/11/03 07:19 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

silversoul7 writes:

You think I should support these tax cuts because they benifit you?! My generation's gonna have to pay for it, asshole!

Pay for what? Why do you believe decreasing taxes leads to increasing deficits?

Now, if only the US government would cut spending as well.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1706940 - 07/11/03 07:19 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

And I suppose this money's gonna just appear out of nowhere? Someone has to pay for all this spending that Bush is doing right now, and that somebody is me and my generation.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Phred]
    #1706948 - 07/11/03 07:21 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

You make a point, pinky. The tax cuts wouldn't be so bad if Bush also cut his spending, but he's acting like a teenager maxing out his credit card with no regard for the consequences.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1706990 - 07/11/03 07:41 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Wait... I thought we were going to MAKE money on the IRaq war! :smirk:


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1707207 - 07/11/03 09:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

It's an indication of our times and a sad, sad, statement when ME keeping more of MY income somehow becomes robbing YOU.



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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1707289 - 07/11/03 09:32 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

It is the government that is robbing everyone! Some now, and some later.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Solo]
    #1707428 - 07/11/03 11:09 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Good point Hitler, lol. First we are making billions by stealing oil from iraq in this war, now we're spending all our money on the war. I guess it's just whatever supports your current argument.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1707472 - 07/11/03 11:30 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Liberals talkin about spending is funny. I must say Bush is quite spendy though. The tax cuts will actually lower the deficit eventually.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1707501 - 07/11/03 11:36 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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You make a point, pinky. The tax cuts wouldn't be so bad if Bush also cut his spending, but he's acting like a teenager maxing out his credit card with no regard for the consequences.




EXACTLY!!!!!!

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
    #1707508 - 07/11/03 11:38 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Bush is as bad as any libby as far as spending goes. This is how I see it(not necessarily the was it is)
Liberals steal money from people who earn it and give it to people who didn't, as well as spend it on useless programs.

Conservatives steal our money and spend it on useless programs.

Damned taxes.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1707823 - 07/12/03 02:16 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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shakta said:
These things are cyclical. An defecits and surplusses you will ever here about are theoretical.


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Defecits and surpluses are very, very real.
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When the economy comes back, the defecit will shrink big time.


Not if Bush continues spending more than he raises in taxes.
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BTW, fuck you! I want to keep as much of my fucking money as I can.


That's exactly the point silversoul was trying to make.  We AGREE with you!!!  Fuck any of you who want us to pay more taxes later with interest because you want the Government to tax you less than it spends now.  The average American is already responsible for $2,000 of interest payments per year to cover interest on the national debt.  And that number doesn't include paying down the debt.  If Reagan (and Bush Sr) hadn't increased the national debt so much, we'd all be pocketing an extra $2,000 a year now (thanks a lot Reagan and Bush).  After Bush Jr, that number will be even higher.  :nonono:  But there may be more important things to spend our money on in the future than Bush's new debt.  Bush Jr either needs to decrease spending (the ideal solution) and/or increase taxes - NOT the other way around.
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Liberals talkin about spending is funny.


Every president has spent more than his predecessor.  History shows that spending has nothing to do with liberal or conservative affiliation.
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The tax cuts will actually lower the deficit eventually.


I don't think you get it.  Tax cuts do NOT lower defecits.  Tax increases, and/or spending cuts lower defecits.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1707981 - 07/12/03 05:46 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Cornholio writes:

Tax cuts do NOT lower defecits.

Incorrect. Federal tax cuts historically have resulted in increased government revenue from taxes. This has been true since the Kennedy tax cuts of the 60s.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Phred]
    #1708046 - 07/12/03 07:54 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yep. Tax cuts have always lowered deficits. When the economy is in the shitter, there are high deficits. When it is good there are generally surpluses. The point is, tax cuts help the economy, which means people make more money, which means the government gets more money. I do wish the current administration would be a bit more frugal though.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1708102 - 07/12/03 08:48 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Defecits and surpluses are very, very real.



thats if you accept the notion that the economy is real. money is fake, dont you know. the economy is based on the stock market. the stock market is fake. look at Enron, Global Crossing, Adelphia, WorldCom etc....


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Phred]
    #1708238 - 07/12/03 10:32 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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pinksharkmark said:
Federal tax cuts historically have resulted in increased government revenue from taxes. This has been true since the Kennedy tax cuts of the 60s.

pinky


Would you mind elaborating on this? It's not obvious to me how cutting taxes increases revenue from taxes. Thanks.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1708250 - 07/12/03 10:36 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

wow if you had any idea how finance works you would realize that by implementing these cuts it actually helps the poor.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #1708267 - 07/12/03 10:47 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I just think it's totally awsome,ya know,trading in my civil rights for a "a new DVD player,or possibly a new wardrobe...".


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1708272 - 07/12/03 10:51 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I just exlained it above. Lowering taxes gives the economy a boost, which means more money for everyone. This greater amount of money, means more taxes rolling in, even though tax rates are lower.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1708318 - 07/12/03 11:15 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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shakta said:
I just exlained it above. Lowering taxes gives the economy a boost, which means more money for everyone. This greater amount of money, means more taxes rolling in, even though tax rates are lower.


Gotcha. So we're seeing a "boost" in the economy, and everyone has "more money".


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1708376 - 07/12/03 11:52 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, the famous "trickle-down theory," which is just that--a theory, and not a very well-substantiated one at that.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1708390 - 07/12/03 12:01 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yes,if this Reagonomic crap is all that great,how come it hasn't worked in the past?


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: monoamine]
    #1708393 - 07/12/03 12:02 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

It not only worked when Reagen did it, it worked for JFK as well.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1708396 - 07/12/03 12:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I'm guessing you're going to credit Reagan with the surplus we had under Clinton, even tho Bush Sr. still had a deficit when he was president.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1708406 - 07/12/03 12:12 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm guessing you're going to credit Reagan with the surplus we had under Clinton, even tho Bush Sr. still had a deficit when he was president.



Actually, no.

Both Bushes have been disapointing in the area of spending.

Clinton? He got lucky since when it came to spending, he was no better.
It just so happened the boom had started (although granted, only slightly) and he rode the wave.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1708407 - 07/12/03 12:13 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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It's an indication of our times and a sad, sad, statement when ME keeping more of MY income somehow becomes robbing YOU.


If Bush is the one spending the money, he should be the one flipping the bill. If he defers payment to future administrations, he is in effect robbing that administration of money that they could have used for other things (including tax cuts!)


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1708415 - 07/12/03 12:15 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

OK,I'm no expert on JFK policies but his tax cuts were quite a bit different than trickle down Reagonomics. I'm not against tax cuts,just the way they have been handled under the last three Rupublican administrations.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: monoamine]
    #1708423 - 07/12/03 12:19 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Tax cuts are awesome if they come with spending cuts. Otherwise, they're just tax deferments (to be paid at a later time).


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1708428 - 07/12/03 12:21 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly. It's simple, really: If you spend more than you have, you'll only get further into debt.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1708433 - 07/12/03 12:24 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

That's essentially what I was getting at.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1708443 - 07/12/03 12:32 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Exactly. It's simple, really: If you spend more than you have, you'll only get further into debt.



No shit? Really? Stop The Presses!

Shit man, get on the phone with Bush right now and let him in on this "revelation".


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1708445 - 07/12/03 12:33 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe I will. He doesn't seem to get it yet.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1708446 - 07/12/03 12:34 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

You're right there. Most politicians don't. Including Bubba.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1708476 - 07/12/03 12:53 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

A surprising number of people don't get it, including many in this forum.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1708487 - 07/12/03 01:00 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Clinton had nothingto do with the booming economy of the 90's. THat was all Al Gore's doing.

He invented the internet you know.

But seriously, the whole booming 90's economy was mostly because of the internet.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1708488 - 07/12/03 01:00 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Shit man, get on the phone with Bush right now and let him in on this "revelation".




I wish I could get that fucker on the phone right now and let him get a piece of my "revelations".


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1708492 - 07/12/03 01:03 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Whatever again. Call it Reaganomics if you want. It worked then and it will work again. The 80s were a great time for this country. Then the recession hit like it always will. If most of the people in the country have money to spend, they will buying stuff. More stuff gets bought making more jobs, making more revenue, making more tax money.

This is just part of it. Forget govt. spending for a minute damn it. The economy is cyclical. I don't know how old you are, but I have seen it in my life. It happens over and over. When it is in the dumper the govt collects less taxes. When it gets good they get more. Overall the economy keeps growing, as well as govt. spending. Blame Bush all you want for spending. I agree he spends way too much. Actually the Congress spends way to much. They decide what gets spent on what. I think some of the Republican motivation is purely political. They are doing a lot of what the Dems usually do. Social programs, and aid to everyone on the planet. The point is not cutting taxes would not help lower the deficit over the long term.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1708501 - 07/12/03 01:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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The 80s were a great time for this country.




Uhh..ok. I was only six or seven when the 80's ended,and I still know they sucked. Did you happen to do a lot of coke during this "go,go" peroid? Maybe this effected your interpretation of that decade. Even music sucks balls in the 80's.

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Social programs, and aid to everyone on the planet.




Yes,the Republicans are well known for their support of social programs. I dunno,maybe this spending has something to do with hugest defense budget in history?


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: monoamine]
    #1708508 - 07/12/03 01:13 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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I dunno,maybe this spending has something to do with hugest defense budget in history?



It has more to do with giving money taken from those who have earned it, and giving it to fuckwads who have not.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: monoamine]
    #1708510 - 07/12/03 01:13 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

What the fuck does music or coke have to do with the economy in the 80s? Also, the Dems and libs are the ones so fond of social programs. Get a clue.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1708515 - 07/12/03 01:18 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The point of this thread is "fuck you for not paying your bills", and I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. If a tax cut is necessary for the economy to improve (which is debatable) then a spending decrease is also in order (which it sounds like you agree with). Bush (and/or Congress) isn't doing that.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1708528 - 07/12/03 01:25 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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It has more to do with giving money taken from those who have earned it, and giving it to fuckwads who have not.




Then why does the defense budget account for like 50% of the federal budget? Social programs are tiny in comparison.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shakta]
    #1708531 - 07/12/03 01:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Also, the Dems and libs are the ones so fond of social programs. Get a clue.




I was being sarcastic.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: monoamine]
    #1708574 - 07/12/03 01:50 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Then why does the defense budget account for like 50% of the federal budget? Social programs are tiny in comparison.




Wrong again slap happy.

Go here. It doesn't matter what amount you enter, the percentages remain the same.

Military 26%.
Social Programs 35%.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1708647 - 07/12/03 02:21 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

well that and a large chunk of baby boomers started to retire.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1708660 - 07/12/03 02:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen numerous figures that contradict that. Does that take into account corporate welfare given to private companies in the defense industry?

And yes, I do masturbate quite frequently.As a matter of fact,I jerk to your posts.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: monoamine]
    #1708741 - 07/12/03 02:50 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

"And I suppose this money's gonna just appear out of nowhere? Someone has to pay for all this spending that Bush is doing right now, and that somebody is me and my generation. "


Yup.

I'm 22 and super pissed about this shit and social security too.

What I don't understand is how these right wing fucks can call themselves capitalist and then distribute money that they don't have to the nations top 5% wealthiest people.

Where do they get the money? The print it. and every time they do, every dollar in circulation is worth less. Its called "inflation", and its caused by government overspending.

When the democrats overspend, they do it on services and social welfare. When the republicans overspend, they give billions to themselves and their buddies and generally make it harder for everyone else to survive. Not to mention the amount they spend on weapons...


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1708751 - 07/12/03 02:54 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe the original post should be changed as follows:

Attention supporters of Bush's tax cuts: If you support Bush's tax cuts and at the same time you don't attack his spending habits, FUCK YOU! You selfish bastards! You think I should support these tax cuts because they benifit you?! My generation's gonna have to pay for it, asshole! Thanks a lot! If welfare is theft, then you're robbing me blind, just for your own benefit, so fuck you!


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1709082 - 07/12/03 04:56 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yes. Thank you for the correction.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1709135 - 07/12/03 05:15 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

We need a balanced budget amendment (IMHO).

I realize the argument against it is that we should have the flexibility to tax less when the economy is down. But how about this solution?: When the economy is down you only have to pay interest on the national debt, and when it is good you have to pay interest plus principle. That would give Government the flexibility it needed to deal with down economies, and it would force Government to reduce spending and/or tax appropriately.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: Cornholio]
    #1709730 - 07/12/03 07:58 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)


Cornholio wrote:
We need a balanced budget amendment (IMHO)

yeah well, when Clinton was in office all you heard was the republicans bitching about "democrat overspending" and they demanded a balanced budget amendment to curtail it. The only reason they couldn't get it passed (according to the repubs) was because those aweful demos had control of all the branches.

Well, now republicans control everything and I haven't heard shit about a balanced budget amendment to curtail govt spending.

I guess they conviniently changed their minds...

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1709849 - 07/12/03 08:36 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:

Cornholio wrote:
We need a balanced budget amendment (IMHO)

yeah well, when Clinton was in office all you heard was the republicans bitching about "democrat overspending" and they demanded a balanced budget amendment to curtail it. The only reason they couldn't get it passed (according to the repubs) was because those aweful demos had control of all the branches.

Well, now republicans control everything and I haven't heard shit about a balanced budget amendment to curtail govt spending.

I guess they conviniently changed their minds...


Ya, I think the Republicans have historically been the ones to push for the balanced budget amendment. It would be a lot more important now that there is a huge deficit again.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1709885 - 07/12/03 08:56 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Here is what i'm pissed about.Me and my poor Brethren(and Sistern)has paid into this corrupt system for a very long time.All that i have paid in, has been given to a boss, who has never sweated a day in his life.Now Bush and his compatriots decide we should cut 1.5 overtime to make America more competitive in the marketplace.Pardon me i digress.
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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1709917 - 07/12/03 09:07 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)


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here.




I wonder how much of that is the drug war.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shroomophile]
    #1710995 - 07/13/03 08:20 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

shroomophile writes:

Now Bush and his compatriots decide we should cut 1.5 overtime to make America more competitive in the marketplace.

You might want to check out
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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: shroomophile]
    #1711380 - 07/13/03 12:27 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Now Bush and his compatriots decide we should cut 1.5 overtime to make America more competitive in the marketplace

"more competitive" is doublespeak for "give the boss more and the workers less". Corporate directors award themselves stratospheric pay rises while driving down wages for everyone else. Check out the enormous difference in the percentage pay rises these scumbags award themselves compared to what the workers get. They want competition - just for the people below them, never for themselves.


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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1720349 - 07/16/03 02:15 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts

FUCK YOU! You selfish bastards! You think I should support these tax cuts because they benifit you?! My generation's gonna have to pay for it, asshole! Thanks a lot! If welfare is theft, then you're robbing me blind, just for your own benefit, so fuck you!



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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: monoamine]
    #1720834 - 07/16/03 07:26 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Uhh..ok. I was only six or seven when the 80's ended,and I still know they sucked. Did you happen to do a lot of coke during this "go,go" peroid? Maybe this effected your interpretation of that decade. Even music sucks balls in the 80's.

he was talking about the economy. it's not the government's fault if the music sucks and people have stupid hair, stupid clothes, and say stupid things. in the 80's, we were also at peace, had a stable economy, and less racial injustice than ever before.

hugest defense budget in history?

i'd really like to see a figure that can show that our defense budget right now, adjusted for inflation and as a percentage of our GDP, is the biggest in US history. i wouldn't be surprised, but i think it's an assumption that people are making here without proof.

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    #1720860 - 07/16/03 07:38 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I think social trends can be a reflection of the economy.I think there is a reason crack was invented in the 80's. Possibly the ever widening chasm between the rich and poor? We had peace during the 80's? What about the cold war and arms being sold to people we now consider enemies? The economy was stable in the fact that the rich were filthy rich and the poor were filthy poor.


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    #1720899 - 07/16/03 07:52 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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in the 80's, we were also at peace, had a stable economy, and less racial injustice than ever before.



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this post is a work of fiction.
i don't know what the hell i'm talking about.





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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1720911 - 07/16/03 08:00 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

ooh... man silversoul... that stings...

ok ok... i was talking out of my ass a little bit... but i still think i was right..

what was wrong with what i said? were we not at peace? was the economy not stable? was there not less racial injustice than ever before?

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    #1720921 - 07/16/03 08:07 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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what was wrong with what i said? were we not at peace?



Grenada, Panama, etc. I guess that's peace if you consider the Clinton years to be a time of peace. Also, remember that it was at this time that we were arming Saddam.
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was the economy not stable?



Wasn't there some sort of stock market crash in '86 or thereabouts? I also seem to remember something about the federal deficit growing a great deal during that time.
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was there not less racial injustice than ever before?



Hard to quantify, but ya, there was probably less racial injustice then than there was before, seeing as how racial tensions have eased up over time. There was also probably more racial justice in the 90's(if you disregard Rodney King and O.J. Simpson) than there was in the 80's.

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Re: ATTN: Supporters of Bush's tax cuts [Re: silversoul7]
    #1720945 - 07/16/03 08:19 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

in the 1910's we had the first world war. the 20's were good... the 30's we had the depression. the 40's, WW2. the 50's, the cold war was ramping up, there was korea, and black people getting killed for asking to be treated like humans... the 60's there was vietnam and more racial madness. the 70's economy was in the shitter (and gas prices were going crazy!!!).... the 80's sucked, i agree. but they weren't so bad. the cold war was winding down, and we had no major wars or depressions.

don't get me wrong... i don't think i'd like to go back to the 80's.... but they weren't that bad. i was very young in the 80's, as i'm sure most of us here were... maybe some of geezers here can give us their take on things in that decade...

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