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Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down
#1706021 - 07/11/03 01:23 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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What a joke, my favourite bit is where they say that prescribing pot is as bad as prescribing heroin. It's nice to know that the government wants to 'protect the public' (especially the terminally ill members of the public) from such a dangerous medicinal drug. From Associated Press, via Kentucky.com: --------------------------------------------
Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down GINA HOLLAND Associated Press
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration wants the Supreme Court's permission to strip prescription licenses from doctors who recommend marijuana to sick patients.
The administration, which has taken a hard stand against state medical marijuana laws, asked the high court to strike down an appeals court ruling that blocked the punishment, or investigation, of physicians who tell patients they may be helped by the drug.
The administration's appeal, filed this week, gives the Supreme Court a chance to revisit the subject of legalized marijuana. Two years ago, the court ruled that there is no exception in federal drug laws for people to use pot to ease pain from cancer, AIDS or other illnesses. That case also involved a ruling of the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Solicitor General Theodore Olson said the latest 9th Circuit decision keeps the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration from protecting the public. He said the ruling licenses doctors to treat patients with illegal drugs and that physicians who urge patients to use pot are no different than those recommending heroin or LSD.
Medical marijuana laws are on the books in Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington.
At issue is a policy, put in place during the Clinton administration, that requires the revocation of federal prescription licenses of doctors who recommend marijuana.
The appeals court said that the policy interferes with free-speech rights of doctors and patients. Physicians should be able to speak candidly with patients without fear of government sanctions, the court said, but they can be punished if they actually help patients obtain the drug.
Graham Boyd, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney representing patients, doctors, and other groups, said a government victory at the high court would gut the medical marijuana laws and hurt doctor-patient relationships.
"This case is about doctors providing honest and accurate medical advice to patients and the government wanting to censor that advice and leave patients to the Internet, their friends and back alley information in order to make medical decisions," Boyd said Friday.
Justices will likely decide this fall whether to review the case.
The case is Walters v. Conant, 03-40.
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Supreme Court case file: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/03-40.htm
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Edame]
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That's the last straw (actually the last straw happened a long time ago). Bush needs to GO!
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Edame]
#1706039 - 07/11/03 01:26 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pretty sad.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1706054 - 07/11/03 01:30 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Me or the article (or both)?
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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience. And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him. "Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Edame]
#1706073 - 07/11/03 01:36 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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What a great guy.
He really cares for the 'Merican people.

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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Edame]
#1706078 - 07/11/03 01:37 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edame said: Me or the article (or both)?
Neither.
The fact that he wants this.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Edame]
#1706079 - 07/11/03 01:37 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Unfortunately, most politicians see it just the same.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: rommstein2001]
#1706094 - 07/11/03 01:42 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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What I don't get is that they are basically undermining members of the medical profession. Doctors all swear an oath to help people, and the govt seems to be saying "You'll help people the way we want you to, or not at all". I guess this is nothing new to most of us anyway, it's just so frustrating to hear stuff like this.
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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience. And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him. "Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Edame]
#1706174 - 07/11/03 02:16 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Agreed. Besides the FDA assuring that drugs are pure and safe,the government needs to stay the fuck out of medicine.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: rommstein2001]
#1706254 - 07/11/03 02:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck Bush, he's just doing it to look like a bad ass and get relected for it. I doubt the supreme court would allow this for many many reasons. Maybe they'll even say another famous quote that everyone will be posting about next week like 'the government cannot tell people what chemicals they can or cannot use' heh
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rommstein2001 said: Unfortunately, most politicians see it just the same.
Of course, who can aford to be the odd ball pot head politician?
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grandmasterfat said: the government needs to stay the fuck out of medicine.
There alot of things they need to stay out of
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: DailyPot]
#1706288 - 07/11/03 02:50 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great, I guess Dr. Bush, PhD thinks he's qualified to practice medicine now.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1706416 - 07/11/03 03:26 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I bet he has a wonderful bedside manner. "Don't forget who's boss here! I'll tell you when you've had enough pain, and you can die in agony before I let you smoke pot"
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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience. And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him. "Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Edame]
#1706561 - 07/11/03 04:38 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Read my sig.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: pattern]
#1706638 - 07/11/03 05:09 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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That could be shortened to just "Don't vote."
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1706806 - 07/11/03 06:36 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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The sad thing is these people believe in what they are doing, so there is no convincing them. The governments own research teams have recomended it for legalization after finding it casuses no memory loss at all, even with daily smokers for 10 years or more.(That is, no memory loss that extends past the high.)
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Cornholio]
#1707011 - 07/11/03 07:51 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bush needs to GO!
I am not a Bush fan either but maybe you guys didn't see this part.
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At issue is a policy, put in place during the Clinton administration, that requires the revocation of federal prescription licenses of doctors who recommend marijuana.
Bush may be against Ganja but the Democrats are just as fierce if not more so!
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: phreakyzen]
#1707080 - 07/11/03 08:12 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's never a good thing when Republicans and Democrats agree on something.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: phreakyzen]
#1707745 - 07/12/03 01:11 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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phreakyzen said: Bush may be against Ganja but the Democrats are just as fierce if not more so!
I do agree that both parties are against drugs (which would explain why the law came about under Clinton), but to say the Dems are as fierce or "more so" against drugs is news to me.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Cornholio]
#1707763 - 07/12/03 01:26 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good morning sunshine.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1708034 - 07/12/03 07:28 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could this be the prelude to the end of the war on drugs? With enough people making a stink about taking medicine out of the mouths of the ill it should be. Add that to Bush's record of telling the truth...
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Static]
#1708044 - 07/12/03 07:50 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think this shows what kind of a guy Bush is. He couldn't care less about the suffering of people.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Learyfan]
#1708090 - 07/12/03 08:34 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well it seems to me that bush is TRYING to be a one term president. The government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot put into our bodies.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: gdman]
#1710980 - 07/13/03 08:03 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey, in Bush's credit, maybe we all read that wrong... Are you sure his quote wasn't something like: "Doctors shouldn't prescribe marijuana to patients, they need boat loads of coke!" ? Apparently he has no problems with coke, just pot.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: BetMomIsProud]
#1711404 - 07/13/03 12:37 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Coke isn't going to cause people to revolt against their government.
I woudn't say Bush doesn't have a problem with coke either. He'd love to see people locked away for life for doing the exact same things he's done.
I wonder what life would be like if politicians had to abide by the laws they set.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Static]
#1711549 - 07/13/03 01:41 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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These jack-off politicians and their morals. It's okay for Bush to begin a questionable invasion with most of the world against him and kill thousands of innocent people in the process, but God doesn't like pot. It's okay for Clinton to get a head-job in the middle of a marriage and lie to EVERYBODY, even his WIFE about it, but God doesn't like pot. WHY MUST WE LIVE IN A WORLD LIKE THIS
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Static]
#1712190 - 07/13/03 06:06 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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what's really dumb is that "bad" drugs _are_ used medicinally all the time. oxycodone? cocaine? (coke is used for ahsma(sp) and local anesthetic)
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Static]
#1712237 - 07/13/03 06:28 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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"I do agree that both parties are against drugs "
they are both Corporate whores !!!!!! of course they are against drugs !, you know who gives the most money to DARE , Alcohol , Tobacco and Pharm companys, which ALL have something to lose if Cannabis becomes legal
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#1712306 - 07/13/03 06:58 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Marijuana is a threat to Alcohol, but I don't think the pharmaceutical industry, or the tobacco industry has anything to worry about.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1712341 - 07/13/03 07:12 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Marijuana is a threat to Alcohol, but I don't think the pharmaceutical industry, or the tobacco industry has anything to worry about.
WHAT!
the Pharms want to patent certain Cannaboids, and maybe even the whole plant one day, and these pharm companys have more money then most "western countrys" so I am pretty sure they have something to fear when there is a medicine out there that can be grown and used for pennies!!! as for tobacco the only thing they should fear is people using Cannabis to quit Tobacco , same thing with Alcohol, "personally" I say that Pharm companys have the more to worry about!
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#1712470 - 07/13/03 07:48 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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The pharmaceutical industry might have a vested interest in keeping Cannabis illegal when there is a comparable drug on the market (i.e. Sativex) but if they are so concerned then why aren't they all scrambling to "discover' cannabis based medicines. The only one I know of is G.W. Pharm. they just sold Sativex to Bayer. THe rest of them seem to could care less about marijuana.
Anybody who thinks Cannabis can be used to help quit tobacco has never been addicted to cigarettes or tried to quit. I believe smoking marijuana actually leads to smoking cigarettes.
At least it did in my case. I had to quit smoking pot to get off cigarettes.
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Re: Bush Wants Marijuana Ruling Struck Down [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1712499 - 07/13/03 07:59 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anybody who thinks Cannabis can be used to help quit tobacco has never been addicted to cigarettes or tried to quit. I believe smoking marijuana actually leads to smoking cigarettes.
I will admit to never that I never was or will be addicted to Tobacco , however almost everyone of my friends have been or still are and Cannabis helps them alot , without Cannabis some people I know swaer they would have never been able to quit, although I do realize how much the........coffee and a cig , lunch and a cig, doubie and a cig rutine can make things worse
Tobacco has the highest dependency of ANY drug Alcohol has worse withdrawl Heroin has a worse Tolerance and Coke has the highest reinforement of any drug......drugs arent "all" bad they are all different and if you have quit Tobacco you are a strong mother fucker
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