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OfflineBaranovich
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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: SoupNazi]
    #17044617 - 10/16/12 08:19 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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And jumping 876 feet down into rocks, trees, and a shallow stream bed is quite painless as well if you hit them going 70+ MPH.



Not necessarily. If you changed your mind during the fall I can imagine terror and anguish during the descent.

Best way is still to blow your brains out with a shotgun in the mouth. 100% effective and all you need to work up is the courage to pull the trigger, not climb a building.




Well, the idea is that you should think before you leap. If you're not absolutely committed to killing yourself, but want to play Russian roulette instead, then you should do just that, or maybe cut your wrists and see if someone finds you before you bleed to death. That way if "it wasn't meant to be" maybe you'll get saved and attract more attention to yourself and who knows, maybe even get some help in the process that will change your mind about suicide.

On the other hand, if you choose to jump, sure your self-preservation instinct will likely kick in and terrorize you for a few short seconds, but you have to remember that the ordeal will be over soon enough, at which point all your suffering will (presumably) end. As they say, no pain, no gain.

The main problem is that guns are not always easy to come by, especially for those of us who do not live in the US and hence the need for alternative methods. Of course, there's always my fave, H2S. :smile:




This.  SoupNazi speaks great wisdom.


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Anonymous #68]
    #17044670 - 10/16/12 08:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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How do you work up to putting a shotgun in your mouth and pulling the trigger?




I suppose the same way you would work up to any self-destructive act.  I mean, only the person who is actually doing it can answer that question ultimately.

Much like, how does a soldier mentally and emotionally prepare for combat?  Only the individual soldier can answer that.  For some, it's making peace with a creator.  For some it's praying to a creator or higher God for protection.  For still others it's simply a settling with the Universe and resigning to what could possibly happen.  And for still others, there IS NO preparation, they just plunge right in and get the job done.

You've heard the stories about how seemingly the most scared soldiers and the timid ones end up shocking everyone and turn into heroic soldiers when under fire, they suddenly find something and come to life, and end up shocking their entire platoon.

Kind of like that I suppose.


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Aninator]
    #17049399 - 10/17/12 04:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

new here but obviously created an account because of the insanely massive suicide posts. but i will say in reply to od'ing on benzos and sleeping pills, od'ing is one of the least succesful ways of committing suicide, both from experience (they have a drug like with heroin that stops benzos from hitting your brain thus effectively stopping 100% any benzo even 100's of mg's worth  instantly, ive done sleeping pills , 120 50 mg trazadone's, ive tried a mixture of a 40 bag of heroin and 82 benzos..cant remember the name just that theyre the least addictive and are mainly used to help people with sleeping isssues,  didnt work. didnt even puke.  oding on sleeping pills was extremely uncomfortable, obviously im still here and was caught ..and have been multiple times, being in the hospital not being able to go to sleep but having 100's of mg's of that shyt in you for 12 hours or so was disgustingly painful.    ive even been shyt ass drunk and od'd on 120 2mg klonopins , nothing ..just woke up the next morning with a very pissed off gf.  i saw a post about wrist cutting n bathtub in here 9trying to respond to all thepertinent ones to me theres so many) and last time i attempted it i drank a fifth of vodka, took 20 trazadones 50mg, 70some klonopins 2mg, cut both forearms upwards and an artery in each calf layed in the bathtub hoping to just pass out and drown , my safety measure was my hair straightener balanced on the edge, which after getting impatient i kicked in the water. little did i know..well , remember the fucking safety breakers in bathrooms..fucking stupid detail fucked my whole plan up. anyways , ive thought again of electrocution / gunshot to the head / hanging if i get that suicidal again. getting the gun would be a pain , electrocution is scaree but at that low you really dont care, especially if your fucked up outta your mind anyways, the hanging..ive thought about finding a huge tree out on some farm property or something and maybe tying the noose ten feet below me and jumping down, im only 110 lbs so im not too worried about breaking a thick branch, but i dont know if id have the nerve to do that little jump, or just choke out..maybe dose myself with heavy downers and stand on a very unsturdy surface and when i nodded out ..poof my 'fears'wont matter anyways .  worst part is getting caught , i dont own my own place and my family is extremely watchful after a multitude of these attempts so , make sure you do it when theyre on vacation..or you say your out of town so no friends accidently come by ..etc .  the cutting is not too painful but ive been a cutter for almost 20 years, and most people freak over just little cuts so i wouldnt recommend wrist cutting as a way out either unless you make damn sure you hit those arteries .  also. unplug your phones take batteries out of cellphones and hide em,  if you truly wanna die make it as hard as possible to freak out n back out.  also about the car in garage scenario, a past gf of mine tried that and she was horribly sick for days and almost brain dead if shed have been in there for much longer , but i dont know if she was sick while in the car or afterwards..or if she passed out or what.  theres my fifty cents . ill go back to reading now lol

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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Baranovich]
    #17049507 - 10/17/12 04:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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um im not reading all 98 pages but im sure its quite painless to blow your brains out... why is this even a question?





Ummmm...because some people don't have access to guns?  But on the other hand they DO have access to bridges and other things?

Because some people could handle one form of suicide better over another?  Because one person might have the nerve to jump, but the next person might have to resort to something else?

The OP was simply asking opinions from people about methods and ways to commit suicide that are the most painless, or at least relatively so.

You are certainly correct, shooting yourself is quite painless, if it's done right.

And jumping 876 feet down into rocks, trees, and a shallow stream bed is quite painless as well if you hit them going 70+ MPH.

It's a relevant question because "painless" could be a relative term depending on who you ask, as well as what their definition of "pain" is.  Maybe a better way to put it is "what methods are the least traumatic" maybe...

One person might not be deterred by the pain of using a knife to fatally slash themselves, because they know it would only be a few moments of intense pain and then it's over.  Other people simply are too squeamish to face the prospect of literally forcing themselves to bleed to death, they can't get beyond the cutting part, their body simply CANNOT will itself to do it.  Their mind wants to carry it out, but their body will not allow it.  This is precisely why the VAST MAJORITY, in fact MOST of the people who try kill themselves by cutting their throats or wrists fail miserably, because their survival instinct takes over before they've cut deep enough, or they do cut PARTIALLY deep enough, but they don't bleed fast enough and they start to clot and simply make a mess, and they wake up in the E.R. with a bandaged neck.  Most people who try that method accomplish nothing except losing some blood and putting a permanent scar on their neck or wrists.  The sheer will that it takes to cut one's own neck DEEP enough to the point where your major arteries are severed completely, is almost impossible to achieve for most people.  They simply cannot bring themselves to do it, it's impossible.  Their body's survival instinct will not allow it.

On the other hand....drowning yourself on purpose by tying a rock to your leg and sinking, technically might not be "painful", but it would certainly be horrifically terrifying and traumatic as your lungs breathed their last breath and you were fully conscious and aware that there was no air available, and your lungs had nothing left to breath in, and your body realized that there was nothing left to take in but water.  Many people would simply panic, and try to untie and tear the rock off their leg and get back to the surface any way possible, just as a survival reflex.

With shooting or jumping, you really don't have that opportunity.  If you shoot, you're dead before you can change your mind about it...the bullet doesn't turn around in mid-air because you changed your mind...and if you jump, well...once you're in the air it doesn't matter whether you want to take it back or not.  Gravity doesn't care. 

You're going down.  Done and DONE.




i am one such person who did think after many many failed wrist/arm/artery type cutting attempts when younger,  that has tried the slicing my own neck. well for one , i thought it would be pretty damn easy with a brand new box cutter , and im a small person originally planning to sever the arteries under my tongue but too many times being caught after just passing out , and the possibility of being a mute after that , i decided on the neck.didnt work, i have a couple scars i get asked about ..alot less than youd think but, even getting the angle is harder than cutting anywhere else imo . there was a posy i think waaaaaaaaay in the beginning about people passing out in something like 25% or so jumping attempts before they hit the ground, does anyone know how verifiablle this is or accurate?

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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: 1mpulse]
    #17049849 - 10/17/12 05:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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That bridge sounds fascinating. I wouldn't mind driving out there to check it out, even if I don't end up jumping..

On a side note, I think next weekend is Bridge Day. So if you were to go there then, even without a parachute, I imagine with all the commotion you wouldn't draw too much attention to yourself walking around, looking over the edge, which would give you more time to evaluate your options without having to make a rash decision? Then again, I have no idea what security would be like around that time. Hey, according to Google maps, it's only a 9.5 hour drive from my house. Maybe we could meet up there in a week's time and shoot the shit while enjoying the scenery?

EDIT: Here you go:

http://www.officialbridgeday.com/about-bridge-day

"This year's Bridge Day Festival takes place on Saturday, October 20, 2012. The 876' tall New River Gorge Bridge, serves as the launch point for six hours (9am-3pm EST) of safe, legal BASE jumps. This is the only day of the year that traffic is shut down and spectators can safely and legally walk across the world's second longest single arch bridge. Vehicular traffic on the Bridge will be closed from 7am until approximately 5pm."




I replied to your PM.

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Baranovich said:
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distortion said:
um im not reading all 98 pages but im sure its quite painless to blow your brains out... why is this even a question?





Ummmm...because some people don't have access to guns?  But on the other hand they DO have access to bridges and other things?

Because some people could handle one form of suicide better over another?  Because one person might have the nerve to jump, but the next person might have to resort to something else?

The OP was simply asking opinions from people about methods and ways to commit suicide that are the most painless, or at least relatively so.

You are certainly correct, shooting yourself is quite painless, if it's done right.

And jumping 876 feet down into rocks, trees, and a shallow stream bed is quite painless as well if you hit them going 70+ MPH.

It's a relevant question because "painless" could be a relative term depending on who you ask, as well as what their definition of "pain" is.  Maybe a better way to put it is "what methods are the least traumatic" maybe...

One person might not be deterred by the pain of using a knife to fatally slash themselves, because they know it would only be a few moments of intense pain and then it's over.  Other people simply are too squeamish to face the prospect of literally forcing themselves to bleed to death, they can't get beyond the cutting part, their body simply CANNOT will itself to do it.  Their mind wants to carry it out, but their body will not allow it.  This is precisely why the VAST MAJORITY, in fact MOST of the people who try kill themselves by cutting their throats or wrists fail miserably, because their survival instinct takes over before they've cut deep enough, or they do cut PARTIALLY deep enough, but they don't bleed fast enough and they start to clot and simply make a mess, and they wake up in the E.R. with a bandaged neck.  Most people who try that method accomplish nothing except losing some blood and putting a permanent scar on their neck or wrists.  The sheer will that it takes to cut one's own neck DEEP enough to the point where your major arteries are severed completely, is almost impossible to achieve for most people.  They simply cannot bring themselves to do it, it's impossible.  Their body's survival instinct will not allow it.

On the other hand....drowning yourself on purpose by tying a rock to your leg and sinking, technically might not be "painful", but it would certainly be horrifically terrifying and traumatic as your lungs breathed their last breath and you were fully conscious and aware that there was no air available, and your lungs had nothing left to breath in, and your body realized that there was nothing left to take in but water.  Many people would simply panic, and try to untie and tear the rock off their leg and get back to the surface any way possible, just as a survival reflex.

With shooting or jumping, you really don't have that opportunity.  If you shoot, you're dead before you can change your mind about it...the bullet doesn't turn around in mid-air because you changed your mind...and if you jump, well...once you're in the air it doesn't matter whether you want to take it back or not.  Gravity doesn't care. 

You're going down.  Done and DONE.




i am one such person who did think after many many failed wrist/arm/artery type cutting attempts when younger,  that has tried the slicing my own neck. well for one , i thought it would be pretty damn easy with a brand new box cutter , and im a small person originally planning to sever the arteries under my tongue but too many times being caught after just passing out , and the possibility of being a mute after that , i decided on the neck.didnt work, i have a couple scars i get asked about ..alot less than youd think but, even getting the angle is harder than cutting anywhere else imo . there was a posy i think waaaaaaaaay in the beginning about people passing out in something like 25% or so jumping attempts before they hit the ground, does anyone know how verifiablle this is or accurate?




Hey Impulse,

Thanks for sharing your personal experience so intimately.

I honestly don't know about that statistic, I would have to research it.  However, I would surmise that a certain percentage of people probably do pass out on the way down when they do a suicide jump.  Has to happen.  I do know that a certain percentage of people also have heart attacks on the way down, just from the shock of the reality of what is about to happen to them.

Kind of like the body shutting itself down to try to avoid the inevitable. 

A train is speeding towards your car, which is stuck on the train tracks....and as you sit there trapped in your car, and you are watching the train as it gets closer and closer, knowing your end is seconds away - you put your hands over eyes and cover them, almost as if like if you couldn't SEE the train coming, then maybe it's not really happening.  Humans do strange things when death is imminent.  Denial of it is a big factor.  This CAN'T BE happening, NOT TO ME.  Much the same way that shock takes over when you are badly injured, to protect you from the physical pain of the injury.

Except that in this case, instead of shock taking over because of a painful injury, you pass out or have a heart attack in response to the reality of the fact that you are committing self-destruction and that you are bringing about YOUR OWN death.

You were really brave to share your story about cutting your neck.

I can understand about the angle that you described.  It's one more factor that makes cutting your own throat so f'n difficult.  There's just so many things that can go wrong, and so many things that have to go perfectly, and then the human survival element comes in....and the odds are just stacked against you that it'll work.

Now of course, there's the f'n embarrassment, self-consciousness, and stigma of having the scars on your neck and people having to fucking ask about it.....


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: MXNR]
    #17056688 - 10/18/12 05:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, indeed I am yet another one of "those" who have registered just to post on this site. My advance apologies for being one of "those newbies".

From my deductions I have concluded a list of ways that may be best and least painful. However, my apprehensions come from the small chance of failure, that is to say, the failure that could lead to survival with permanent damage. Could someone please be kind enough to answer any of these questions if they know?

My ways as follows:
1. Helium / Nitrogen / Laughing Gas.
I am not a fan of the Exit bag as I can be prone to claustrophobia.

2. Amitriptyline O/D.
Supposedly a great suicide O/D drug. I am currently using 10mg, therefore to successfully O/D I would need to take about 500 pills (plus alcohol) Is this correct? Although I am aware O/D is the least successful method. Naturally, if it fails I would presume brain or liver damage.

3. Dry Ice
Allowing it to sit in hot water and melt into Carbon Dioxide in a compact space. It may or may not work.

4. Using natural plants / poisons.
Yew Tree.
Easy enough to find. Dosage still to be researched.
Hemlock.
I may be able to get a source of this. Although it would be dried and all the plant EXCEPT the root (which to my understanding is the most potent) Does it need to be fresh or would dried suffice? Dosage yet to be researched.
Suicide Tree.
I found a place where I can find the seeds and have them shipped. It is said to not taste bad either as it could be cooked with spices. It is a popular choice of suicide (and murders!) in the East. Oftentimes, the cause of death is completely undetected too. Although uncertain how potent as it may be dried. Does it need to be fresh? Dosage to be researched
Rosary Pea
It is said that one of these is enough to kill a person. Far stronger than Castor bean. However, it takes longer to get to the system and possible pain before it happens. I won't want to try this but just putting it there for informational purposes.

My further questions (if anyone knows):
With the gases ie helium, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, laughing gas
Which is best advised to use and why?
Which could have least ramifications to the body should failure occur?

With the poisons (if anyone knows):
Which ones of the mentioned would be the quickest and least painful?
I read somewhere that some of these may NOT have any severe adverse effect if there is failure in suicide on account of them being plants. Could anyone clarify any potential or known risks with surviving these?
Finally, does anyone know roughly the suggested amount that should be taken with these to ensure success?

Thank you in advance everyone!!


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: MXNR]
    #17057169 - 10/18/12 07:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps this link is old news. But it goes through most possible ways. Thought I shall post it irrespectively!

http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~ingvar/methods/mindex.html


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Clytie]
    #17058265 - 10/18/12 09:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Idk if it's been mentioned already I didn't bother reading the whole thread. My idea would be downing a whole bottle of Viagra and washing it down with some high proof liquor before stripping butt naked and streaking through a crowded place. Prolly not the best but def would be the most hilarious.


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Clytie]
    #17058268 - 10/18/12 10:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You can add oleander to your list of poisonous plants. This is a tropical plant that is quite common in North America. I don't recall seeing it in too many places in Europe, but back when my family used to live in Eastern Europe, my mom had an oleander as a house plant, so it can't be that hard to find. Apparently all you need is to ingest one leaf (or a couple for good measure) and you're dead. You can probably crush the leaves and make a tea out of them. The only thing I can't guarantee with this method is that it is quick or painless.

My favourite (allegedly) quick and painless suicide method though is the hydrogen sulphide (aka Japanese detergent) method. It basically involves mixing a couple of household chemicals together in a confined space such as a car, to produce a lethal gas that knocks you out in one breath and kills you shortly afterwards. Here's some more information about this method if you're interested:  http://www.colofirechiefs.org/ffsafety/ChemicalSuicide0210.pdf

If you choose to use it, please make sure you post lots of warning signs on your car or wherever you produce the hydrogen sulfide, so that other people don't get killed or injured while trying to remove you from the site.

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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Clytie]
    #17058483 - 10/18/12 10:29 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Clytie said:
Perhaps this link is old news. But it goes through most possible ways. Thought I shall post it irrespectively!

http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~ingvar/methods/mindex.html




Thanks for the list buddy.

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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #17058643 - 10/18/12 10:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Branovich, I am going to reveal myself instead of remaining anonymous. 

Would you like to trade PMs?

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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: SoupNazi]
    #17059800 - 10/19/12 07:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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SoupNazi said:
You can add oleander to your list of poisonous plants. This is a tropical plant that is quite common in North America. I don't recall seeing it in too many places in Europe, but back when my family used to live in Eastern Europe, my mom had an oleander as a house plant, so it can't be that hard to find. Apparently all you need is to ingest one leaf (or a couple for good measure) and you're dead. You can probably crush the leaves and make a tea out of them. The only thing I can't guarantee with this method is that it is quick or painless.

My favourite (allegedly) quick and painless suicide method though is the hydrogen sulphide (aka Japanese detergent) method. It basically involves mixing a couple of household chemicals together in a confined space such as a car, to produce a lethal gas that knocks you out in one breath and kills you shortly afterwards. Here's some more information about this method if you're interested:  http://www.colofirechiefs.org/ffsafety/ChemicalSuicide0210.pdf

If you choose to use it, please make sure you post lots of warning signs on your car or wherever you produce the hydrogen sulfide, so that other people don't get killed or injured while trying to remove you from the site.





Thank you for your response. This is an interesting method: do you know what the success rate for this is and how quickly it happens? ALso sounds like quick a smelly way to go!

However, I have been toying with this particular notion of doing it in a car with perhaps Nitrogen? Or possibly dry ice in a bucket.

There was a BBC documentary where they were researching most painless and quick ways of killing a person (for the purposes of the death penalthy in the US) It was decided that Nitrogen was the best as unconsciouness occurs in a few seconds as the person becomes more euphoric. Click on the video below to watch.



I would like to use Nitrogen in my car. I am not keen on the exit mask was I have no idea how the tanks work and the exit bag frightfully uncomfortable to me. Furthermore, I am uncertain if I shall get it incorrect as I am not technical minded therefore attaching tubes, apparatus etc there could be a risk of failure. Frankly, my biggest fear of suicide is failure and the consequences thus.

Thoughts on releasing nitrogen in a closed car?

In regards to Oleander, I did come across it but I think the end is marred with being quick painful. Also the success rate may not be as high.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4888840.stm

Thank you


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Clytie]
    #17060074 - 10/19/12 08:47 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

the truth is, though you die, this thread will never will.


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: pablokabute]
    #17063496 - 10/19/12 07:14 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The idea that things get better is utter and total bullshit for some of us. Life is sometimes just a miserable journey to death. I figure what the hell I can control one thing at least die on my own terms.

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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Anonymous #43]
    #17063683 - 10/19/12 07:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hell no!  You will have great experiences and think back, "...man, if i would have blown my head off while i was sad, i would have never had this fun experience"


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Anonymous #43]
    #17063840 - 10/19/12 08:11 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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pablokabute said:
the truth is, though you die, this thread will never will.




:lol:

i have noticed that even in the most barren, isolated landscapes of insomnia, where the entire shroomery dies and every wing seems cold and barren - this infamous, annexed-out old thread still continues to go bump in the night. every night.

watch it do it again tonight. but you know what? I really think that some of you need to take certain discussions to PM/e-mail, and not on shroomery.

how's it gonna look if you have two people PUBLICLY POSTING about meeting up at some crazy-high bridge, and then they actually do, and jump??

i don't think shroomery needs the kind of heat, and i believe posting very specific details/techniques is really not that great for the shroomery, either.

plenty of people have listed plenty of ways/lists to extremely easily kill yourself. so it's kinda like, whereas i'm not advocating suicide, there's really not much left to talk about here. and yet yes, this thread will go on.

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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Clytie]
    #17064811 - 10/19/12 11:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Clytie said:

Thank you for your response. This is an interesting method: do you know what the success rate for this is and how quickly it happens? ALso sounds like quick a smelly way to go!

However, I have been toying with this particular notion of doing it in a car with perhaps Nitrogen? Or possibly dry ice in a bucket.

There was a BBC documentary where they were researching most painless and quick ways of killing a person (for the purposes of the death penalthy in the US) It was decided that Nitrogen was the best as unconsciouness occurs in a few seconds as the person becomes more euphoric. Click on the video below to watch.

I would like to use Nitrogen in my car. I am not keen on the exit mask was I have no idea how the tanks work and the exit bag frightfully uncomfortable to me. Furthermore, I am uncertain if I shall get it incorrect as I am not technical minded therefore attaching tubes, apparatus etc there could be a risk of failure. Frankly, my biggest fear of suicide is failure and the consequences thus.

Thoughts on releasing nitrogen in a closed car?

In regards to Oleander, I did come across it but I think the end is marred with being quick painful. Also the success rate may not be as high.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4888840.stm

Thank you




Based on what I've read about hydrogen sulfide, as long as the correct concentration and type of chemicals are used, it is pretty much guaranteed to "kill you in a single breath" (or at most a couple of breaths). Now, I am not 100% certain that death takes place instantly. I think it may take a few minutes after one loses consciousness for their organs to shut down, but either way, it appears to be quite reliable. I think the reason this method is not more popular is because it was discovered fairly recently and also  it poses a significant health risk to others if the victim is not isolated properly or does not provide clear warning signs. And yes the gas may be stinky, but after the initial breath (provided that doesn't kill you), it completely destroys your sense of smell. Either way, the smell shouldn't be much of a deterrent.

Inert gases seem to be getting a lot of endorsement as a quick, painless and effective suicide method. However, I don't think filling a car with nitrogen is very practical. It would be rather difficult to produce a lethal concentration of the gas this way, as the gas would quickly dissipate. This problem is further compounded by the fact that it is unlikely for the source of nitrogen (usually a large cylinder) to hold enough gas to completely displace the air in the car. That's why using a gas mask or exit bag is imperative for this method to work. And that's why hydrogen sulfide is easier to manage in my opinion, as it doesn't require any fancy equipment. A simple bucket will do. No claustrophobia, no nothing.

Anyway, everyone has their preference. Whatever method you choose, make sure you research it in depth to avoid failing and getting permanently injured.

Also, if you want to talk about what's ailing you, we are here to listen. You can also PM me if you like. I am not in the business of dissuading people from committing suicide, but I know that it can be (somewhat) therapeutic to vent about one's problems.

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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: SoupNazi]
    #17066048 - 10/20/12 08:57 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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SoupNazi said:

Based on what I've read about hydrogen sulfide, as long as the correct concentration and type of chemicals are used, it is pretty much guaranteed to "kill you in a single breath" (or at most a couple of breaths). Now, I am not 100% certain that death takes place instantly. I think it may take a few minutes after one loses consciousness for their organs to shut down, but either way, it appears to be quite reliable. I think the reason this method is not more popular is because it was discovered fairly recently and also  it poses a significant health risk to others if the victim is not isolated properly or does not provide clear warning signs. And yes the gas may be stinky, but after the initial breath (provided that doesn't kill you), it completely destroys your sense of smell. Either way, the smell shouldn't be much of a deterrent.

Inert gases seem to be getting a lot of endorsement as a quick, painless and effective suicide method. However, I don't think filling a car with nitrogen is very practical. It would be rather difficult to produce a lethal concentration of the gas this way, as the gas would quickly dissipate. This problem is further compounded by the fact that it is unlikely for the source of nitrogen (usually a large cylinder) to hold enough gas to completely displace the air in the car. That's why using a gas mask or exit bag is imperative for this method to work. And that's why hydrogen sulfide is easier to manage in my opinion, as it doesn't require any fancy equipment. A simple bucket will do. No claustrophobia, no nothing.

Anyway, everyone has their preference. Whatever method you choose, make sure you research it in depth to avoid failing and getting permanently injured.

Also, if you want to talk about what's ailing you, we are here to listen. You can also PM me if you like. I am not in the business of dissuading people from committing suicide, but I know that it can be (somewhat) therapeutic to vent about ones problems.





Thank you kindly for your words, thoughts and offer of support. It is quite most appreciated.

Chemical suicide seems quite plausible: of course providing a person gets it "right"! My only concern about this is the possible repercussions. I have read in the US where people or relatives were given a hefty bill following suicide / suicide attempt that comes with clearing the area of harmful fumes. Also, should one survive, could it also risk a charge of some sort for endangering the lives of others? Furthermore, despite warnings oftentimes there seem to be people who try to help. I read of a case with firemen retrieving a body getting affected. So, I guess those are my main apprehensions: but it does seem like a sound way (if one gets the mix correct!)

It does seem like it may be a tad painful. The eyes will also burn / sting so it may be recommended to use goggles. I would imagine that if such things occur, the pain/discomfort should be over after a few minutes where the person is rendered unconscious.

Here is an interesting link that compares helium and chemical.
http://exiteuthanasia.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/chemicals-suicide-vs-helium-gas-death/

I have often thought if one could offer ones life in such a way, to be put to sleep and organs then given to those who need those organs to live: well it would make for an extremely fair situation. Some want to live, some want to die - it would be a fair trade. Furthermore, in such a case it may not be as unpleasant to the families / friends of those taking their lives as part of the person would somehow live on and it may be even be viewed upon as a noble deed.


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #17066375 - 10/20/12 10:11 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
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pablokabute said:
the truth is, though you die, this thread will never will.




:lol:

i have noticed that even in the most barren, isolated landscapes of insomnia, where the entire shroomery dies and every wing seems cold and barren - this infamous, annexed-out old thread still continues to go bump in the night. every night.

watch it do it again tonight. but you know what? I really think that some of you need to take certain discussions to PM/e-mail, and not on shroomery.

how's it gonna look if you have two people PUBLICLY POSTING about meeting up at some crazy-high bridge, and then they actually do, and jump??

i don't think shroomery needs the kind of heat, and i believe posting very specific details/techniques is really not that great for the shroomery, either.

plenty of people have listed plenty of ways/lists to extremely easily kill yourself. so it's kinda like, whereas i'm not advocating suicide, there's really not much left to talk about here. and yet yes, this thread will go on.




Um well.....

With regard to the New River Gorge Bridge, you are obviously referring to people like me, SoupNazi, and Blackbird, among others.

I would only say this.  You are right in the sense that it's perhaps not the best topic to be discussed in detail on a public forum, if, as you said, someone were to actually to carry out a suicide based on the suggestions in this thread.

However, I would also say this.  The wishes and desires to no longer be alive, and the desire to end our own lives, are GENUINE and they are REAL.  I do not believe that they should necessarily be supported OR condemned, but rather simply left for what they are.

I could not tell you or decide for you what your own personal breaking point would be any more than you could tell me mine.

I will be going far out on a limb saying this, but so be it.  If my suggestion of jumping off of a bridge in West Virginia gives someone a new option, and a new choice that they had not thought of before, and it allows them to carry our their final act on their own terms.....well then so be it!  They came here seeking a method, a way out, and they took it.

We impose so many rules and laws on our existence, made ALL THE WORSE by man-made religions and doctrines of "sin" and "condemnation".

If people can't come to a forum like this to discuss the taking of one's own life, or at least the contemplation of it.....well where can they go?  A suicide support group????  That's no good, because a suicide support group wouldn't discuss methods, they would only discuss the sanctity and importance of individual life, and they would do nothing but discourage suicide.  AND, more insidiously, that group would most likely impose fucking Christianity on its members, further increasing the sense of guilt and fear, that they might be "betraying" their precious fucking Christian God if they committed suicide.

It is CERTAINLY NOT a popular notion in our culture, on this planet, to give validity to the feelings that people have who desire to end their own lives.  What AMAZES ME about this culture we live in - Is that it simultaneously drives into our brains that each and every life is precious and that each and every life has a destiny and meaning - and then our culture proceeds to live life the exact OPPOSITE way.  We treat each other as mere numbers, as commodities.  If you don't have the right car, you can't get the girl, if you don't have a big enough house,  You're considered a lesser person.  If you don't make enough money, you are rejected by a higher class of people.  If you don't have the right credentials, you simply don't have access. If you have the wrong shoes or jacket, with the wrong logo, you are not considered cool.  If you have a mental illness, you are forced to the fringes of social society, to work out your own loneliness and left to deal with the painful hell of your own isolation.

We do everything in our power in society to remind each other that we're NOT SPECIAL, that life ISN'T SACRED, that we do NOT HAVE A DESTINY...that we ARE NOTHING BUT a number......  we do everything we can to categorize, classify, judge, partition, and seal off people into their social and economic slots....while at the same time preaching a religion that says that we were all put here for a special purpose and a higher plan, "God's Plan."  "We were all put here for a higher purpose."

And....on all that I call "BULLSHIT".  I call "BULLSHIT".  BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT.

If you want to know the truth, I have a theory that many, if not most people who end up in a suicidal state, end up there largely because they have come to the internal realization that indeed, God is bullshit and absolutely not real, that there IS NO special plan for all of us, that we do NOT have a higher purpose.  And that hits us as an epiphany of sorts.

Once that epiphany is reached, suicide is a logical conclusion.

NOW, one could call what I just described as "Depresssion", or an "illness", that needs to be cured by therapy or medication.  I do not believe that is necessarily so.

A person might have an excellent quality of life and really fortunate life circumstances, and yet STILL come to the realization that we have no higher purpose, and that there is no higher plan.

While it is certainly true that a HUGE factor in becoming suicidal is due to a low quality of life, envy, jealousy, loneliness....i.e. seeing other people have things that you can't seem to get - watching a young couple in love, watching people who have more friends and more money than you....a guy getting the girl you could never hope to get..... someone with a career that you tried to achieve but fell short.  All of those factors add up over time, and the longer you spend falling short while seeing others achieve and get things that you don't have.....that builds up into what can become a suicidal philosophy.  How could it NOT?

People kill themselves ALL THE TIME because of a sudden divorce or a breakup with a boyfriend or a girlfriend.  People kill themselves ALL THE TIME when facing a job loss, or the loss of their house, or the looming possibility of complete financial destitution, running out of resources and having no options left.  People kill themselves ALL THE TIME over facing the prospect of going to prison because of a crime, or because they are about to lose their social standing in society because of a scandal.  There is a REASON that prisoners in Solitary Confinement, or with long sentences kill themselves in such large numbers.....because human beings were not meant to merely exist in a cage, cell, or box.  You put a human being into a container and force him to live there day and night, for the rest of their life, and that person is not going to want to continue living.  Who in their right minds WOULD?  Even a SERIAL KILLER in Solitary Confinement for a life sentence understands the concept of quality of life.  Even he recognizes that human beings were not wired to be locked into a box for 23 hrs. out of 24, never to see the light of day again, with his food given to him through a slot in the door.  Even the serial killer feels the sheer fear and terror knowing that the rest of their lives will be spent merely existing.  Their life has indeed been taken away by their sentence.

Who, even the most psychotic of killers, wouldn't understand that concept?

Suicide is merely a reaction to life circumstances, quality of life(or the lack of it), and our own internal believes about why we exist in the first place.

I suppose I am in the most dangerous category of all.  Low quality of life, a lot of loneliness and jealousy about what I don't have, a crippling mental illness that affects my every thought, tremendous lack of self confidence, AND an atheist who doesn't believe there is a God or that there is an afterlife.  The only thing keeping me here is the lingering fear of what if I'm wrong.  What if I kill myself, and we really DO go to hell?  What if I kill myself, and there really IS eternal punishment?  What if this whole time I've been wrong and God really IS real?

So, to sum up, I am extremely suicidal but fearful of doing it.  But I am also damn fucking tired of living this life.  If you had asked me when I was a kid if THIS is how I thought my life would turn out, I would have laughed in your face.  So much for laughing.  The joke was on me.

I am grateful that a thread like this exists for people to come and vent, and to share their thoughts and ideas, even if it is on such a morbid subject.

My belief is this - if I can assist someone in helping them to end their lives, and help them do it in a way that causes them the least pain, then I do not think that is necessarily a negative thing.

They have chosen to end their lives, and they came here to seek out ideas and options on how to do it.  And we are here providing those ideas and options.

Who am I, and who are WE to judge that person, or any person for making that choice? We're not in their skin, we're not in their shoes, WE do not know what THEIR definition of what their own breaking point is.  Only THEY know what it is.

And we are in no position to judge them for that.

I'm glad this thread exists.  If Shroomery were to take it down, I think that it would be wrong, and it would be very unfortunate.


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Re: Best (Most painless) way to Commit Suicide? [Re: Baranovich]
    #17067042 - 10/20/12 12:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i pretty much agree with about 95% of everything you posted. and i agree, the thread should be allowed to stay. it actually does seem to function for some people as a sort of coping mechanism or release valve even, whereas if this thread were not here, they may have already gone off and killed themselves. for a lot of people, this thread probably makes them feel less alone in their suffering. i kinda agree about your "realization" - pretty much every time I've been suicidal, it is after coming to the conclusion that god either absolutely does not exist at all, or he does exist and he is so fucking evil that he made a whole fucking planet of people where the extremely small, powerful evil holds almost full control over pretty much the entire planet, while they de-humanize us. it's a fucked up world, i agree. thankfully i have enough small positive things going for me personally in life though at the moment that i see no need to end it for the near future. but you are DAMN correct in the sense that absolutely nobody can judge anothers' pain or know what one person's "breaking point" is from the next. i also agree that we live in a culture full of double-standard dual-messages. and if you wanna know the truth, i'm actually kinda glad to now know about that bridge. :lol:

we obviously have widely different lives - simply by age group alone and the things you've mentioned, it's obvious to see. still, you may be surprised how many similarities we may share in regards to opinion on this issue. i've had suicidal thoughts swim around in my mind for months at times, and it still happens if i get really depressed. i do believe that suicide is often justified because yes, the pain is real, and they have no way to cope with it, and most people will try to cope with it for a long time before actually choosing death. society at large does not understand suicide, and to call it "cowardly" or "stupid" (without even knowing all the facts, and unless i'm in your brain, i do not know all the facts,) now that's just silly.

there are just two things i would not like to see -

1.extremely specific plans about meeting up to commit suicide on a public forum, especially the shroomery, as if they ever found the actual real names of the people and everything, i'm not sure if it could possibly bring some heat. probably not, because i believe we have a general disclaimer at the front page saying that you cannot sue shroomery as a result of anything that you do on this website... but i'm not sure if family members could try it or something, you know??

2.young people killing themselves because they just lost their first long-term lover, or totaled their car, or lost their job, or are addicted to drugs, or things like that, which could be quite fixable

other than that, i think you're pretty much spot-on, Baranovich.

and maybe i was wrong in the "i don't what else there is to talk about" comment i made. like i said, this thread almost seems to function a dual purpose. helps those that really wanna off themselves, and perhaps provides some positive support for those who haven't truly decided, but are thinking about it, and maybe their lives will get better. in either case, it definitely should not be deleted, all i'm saying is that ultra-specific details/plans (by ANYBODY) should probably be better left to private e-mail, but it appears that's basically what happened anyway. all good. no harm, no foul, and i'm truly sorry you've had such a shitty life. from what you are saying, yes, i know your pain is real.

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