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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: falcon]
    #17038191 - 10/15/12 08:47 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Why do you think that? This is a novel about a fictional character.

Is Hesse also a buddha because he wrote Siddhartha?


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: Icelander]
    #17038223 - 10/15/12 08:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Ha, that description in your quote fits Hesse, that's why I think that. I didn't read the book you asked for a some feed back on a small section of the book. Ya wanna discuss the book join a book club or ask some people here to read it.


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: Icelander]
    #17038248 - 10/15/12 08:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Why do you think that? This is a novel about a fictional character.

Is Hesse also a buddha because he wrote Siddhartha?




Move the goalposts, that makes for a more interesting game.


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: falcon]
    #17038259 - 10/15/12 08:54 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Did you know Hesse personally?
So exactly how is the whining?


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: Icelander]
    #17038284 - 10/15/12 08:57 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Did you know Hesse personally?




Dude he made his living with his thinking. You want to argue that point?
Do you think that Hesse didn't know that what you quoted was self referential?


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: falcon]
    #17038297 - 10/15/12 08:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

He also wrote Siddhartha. Was that self referential? 

Don't you make your living with your thinking?


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: falcon]
    #17038320 - 10/15/12 09:03 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Really didn't know Hesse so I wouldn't know if he was referring to himself or his observations of others.  He seemed to do a lot of character studies.


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: Icelander]
    #17038338 - 10/15/12 09:07 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
He also wrote Siddhartha. Was that self referential?




This is irrelevant to the discussion.

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Icelander said:
Don't you make your living with your thinking?




Well I haven't read the whole book and I doubt that Hesse was referring to the human condition, but not having read the whole book I may be wrong.


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: falcon]
    #17038350 - 10/15/12 09:09 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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falcon said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
He also wrote Siddhartha. Was that self referential?




This is irrelevant to the discussion.

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Icelander said:
Don't you make your living with your thinking?




Well I haven't read the whole book and I doubt that Hesse was referring to the human condition, but not having read the whole book I may be wrong.




And if he was indeed whining and referring to the human condition, that would be swell.


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: falcon]
    #17038354 - 10/15/12 09:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

He was referring to a fictional character named Harry.  I see no reason the think he was referring to himself. He never stated the book was about himself in the forward. :shrug:

Nor was he referring to the human condition but the condition of a somewhat rare type individual.


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: Icelander]
    #17038391 - 10/15/12 09:16 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not qualified to talk about the book; I'll be back when I've read the crib notes.


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: Icelander]
    #17038476 - 10/15/12 09:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Every book has bits of the author in it and other fictions that are blended and stretched... In a good book IMO you won't be able to tell them apart.

Falcon your argument or whatever it is is annoying. The quote is interesting and can stand in its own right, it doesnt need some crude psychology of Hesse projected onto it, nor do I see why you'd want to

The movie sounds good, will put it on my list.


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: quinn]
    #17038598 - 10/15/12 09:45 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not qualified to talk about the book; I'll be back when I've read the crib notes.




You will need to read the original format, in German, to make a qualified statement on Herm's floral prose.

Icelander, how do you interpret the quote ?

I don't know how to take it.

That man is an oaf to remain unchallenged by his own self? Or that intelligence comes at a great cost if one's viewpoints remain narrowed?

As a younger person I would have engaged in such discussions with much vigor, but alas I am psychologically burned out. Perhaps practice is required to oil the rusty wheel. 

Perhaps that's what he's saying !


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Re: Most men will not swim before they are able to. [Re: barong]
    #17038635 - 10/15/12 09:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Well he's referring to this character Harry who sees himself as the Steppenwolf.  Harry has sought independence and freedom from common culture.  He finally though great struggle achieves a kind of victory only to find himself completely alone and isolated from humanity.  For him there is no going back.  His "freedom" is now his fate.


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