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shakta
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
#1708513 - 07/12/03 01:16 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bullshit. You are incorrect as is becoming usual. It appears Saddam has no WMDs? It has only been two months since the war 'ended'. Nevermind, I am sick of this argument.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: shakta]
#1708538 - 07/12/03 01:29 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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It appears Saddam has no WMDs?
Very much so.
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Cornholio
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: shakta]
#1708541 - 07/12/03 01:30 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bullshit. You are incorrect as is becoming usual. It appears Saddam has no WMDs? It has only been two months since the war 'ended'. Nevermind, I am sick of this argument.
I love the way you debate. Here, I'll use your method back on you: EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS WRONG, EVERYTHING I SAID IS RIGHT, AND THAT'S THE END OF THE DISCUSSION. If you really believe your style of debate is effective, then you should agree I just won the argument.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
#1708547 - 07/12/03 01:35 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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For the rest of us who prefer logic and reason, I stand by the statement that "It appears Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction to give up, and it also appears the UN hadn't found Saddam in violation." Is there evidence to the contrary?
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: shakta]
#1710035 - 07/12/03 09:50 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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what kind of vouenteer shit are you selling?I was in the military.I took the oath ,i lived the oath and i am quite ashamed.I have to live with my conscience,but i shouldn't have to listen to that shit.Yeah,your right,2-5 and we get to pay for it.
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What if it was signed by warmongers,liars and traitors?
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
#1710093 - 07/12/03 10:09 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Although no WMD have been found yet in Iraq, i would like to remind everyone of what happened after Desert storm and Desert Shield. At the end of the war America knew for sure that Saddam had WMD as he used some on his own people. The UN and Americans looked for these weapons and could not find them. It was not untill Saddam told the AMericans where to find barrels upon barrels of anthrax that we found them. How easy is it to find possibly undetectible barrels filled with a chemical or biological agent which could be burried deep under the sand in a random location. I wouldnt be susprised if in 2040 some poor fool kills himself when he unintionlly opens a barrel of nerve gas with a pick axe while building another McDonalds in central iraq. But that is just my opinon.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: d33p]
#1710225 - 07/12/03 11:01 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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As I and others have stated earlier in this thread,chemical and biological weapons should not be considered WMD if there are no long range ballistics to launch them. There is little evidence that Iraq ever had such capabilites.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
#1710241 - 07/12/03 11:10 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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So when Iraq launched scuds at Isreal during the gulf war that doesnt count as a long range balistic weapons. And chem and bio weapons if found would put "enough" peoples minds at rest.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: d33p]
#1710260 - 07/12/03 11:18 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't actually consider SCUD to be a long range missile capable of carrying a warhead full of chems. As far as I know,they have never used anything even remotely similar. And even if one of these thing did hit,what would it do,take out a couple dozen people? That's not exactly a weapon of mass destruction. And anyway,scuds are easily intercepted with current technology.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
#1710279 - 07/12/03 11:22 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Scuds can easily carry a payload of chems and bio weapons. Their destructive force is also quite powerfull. And since scuds leave the atmosphere it is actually quite difficult to intercept wheter it be by patriot missles or something else regaurdless of what the govt says.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: d33p]
#1710315 - 07/12/03 11:29 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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While I don't claim to be any kind of expert on weapons technology,SCUDS only have a range of a couple hundred miles and are relatively piss poor accurate. Isreal is not that far from Iraq.
If they had these weapons,one would think they would have used them during the invasion.
If we started invading every country that has some kind of bio or chem weapons and twenty year old missile technology, then every other third world nation would be on that list.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
#1710344 - 07/12/03 11:38 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well the UN banned Iraq from having balistics of any more than a very small range. Iraq has actually modified SCUDs to have a range of up to 800 km. And ill give you it has somewhat poor accuracy. But it still grants them power to drop a warhead on Isreal. And beacuse Americans are such "good" friends with the jews Americans cant allow that. Im not really supporting the war should have happened, although i think it wasent bad that it happened. And about not ussing them if they had them. I could see Saddam not using them to make America look bad becuse 1. he got his ass wooped by daddy bush and America not finding WMD makes little bush look bad and 2. it just makes America look wrose and makes iraq look better. Isnt that really what he wanted the whole time. Maybes hes just more of a sneaky sob then we figured.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
#1710352 - 07/12/03 11:39 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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LDS, Clinton is not a lefty. There is no debate there. Ask any political expert and they will tell you Clinton, while socially liberal, was economically conservative. Just look at what he did with welfare. When it comes to another man's ideology, my/your perspective doesn't matter. He may be lefty compared to you, but that doesn't make him a liberal.
And I'd like to see someone point out a TRUE liberal lying. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I'm having trouble recalling.
LDS, if you actually believe liberals lie far more than conservatives and if you actually think Clinton is a liberal, you have a lot of rethinking to do.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: SlapnutRob]
#1710387 - 07/12/03 11:51 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Many people call Howard Dean a liberal. He also self proclaims himself as a liberal. He lies. He has lied about his state's health care in its reliance on the federal budget when he proclaims he made state paid healthcare and i bealive he lied when he took the hipocratic oath. There are other lies i dont recall them all now. That is just my opinon i may be wrong
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monoamine
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: d33p]
#1710388 - 07/12/03 11:51 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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And about not ussing them if they had them. I could see Saddam not using them to make America look bad
What do he have to lose? He's either dead or in a cave in Buttfucksomewhere.
There are just too many what if's and they just don't add up. Plus the Bu$h administration had a personal grudge and a vested interest in this war. There is just no justification of invading a soveirgn nation without UN approval and no hard evidence.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
#1710396 - 07/12/03 11:56 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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well saddam is told to be alive. Currently there is much hate for America, bush and other aspects. If saddam launched he would have been proclaimed more evil than he is now. And America would be cheered on and bush would surely be re-elected. If i was saddam i would also have gone with the former. And i bealive operation iraqi freedom should not happened. I think big bush should have just finished up the war back in '91.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
#1710398 - 07/12/03 11:57 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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And if these weapons do or did exist,surely some Iraqi officials could have been bribed as to their whereabouts or anything else about them.
I'll say it again: it doesn't add up.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: d33p]
#1710406 - 07/13/03 12:00 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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i bealive he lied when he took the hipocratic oath.
I'm not questioning the validity of your statement,as I don't know much about Dean,but how exactly did he break the hipocratic oath?
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
#1710440 - 07/13/03 12:08 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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It has to do with when he worked in a clinic. It was about abortions. I dont quite remeber all the details but i do remeber at the time felt he could have acted differently. That is just my opinon i could be wrong
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