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Xlea321
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
#1705995 - 07/11/03 01:15 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think Reagan had anything much to do with "Reaganism". He was just a figurehead reading lines other people wrote for him. Reagan was all on making it to the toilet in time never mind thinking about anything.
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luvdemshrooms
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So Nugs, if that's who you really are.....
How is it that all of a sudden you can spell and use punctuation?
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sounds like you know something, share if you would!
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Xlea321]
#1706067 - 07/11/03 01:34 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think Reagan had anything much to do with "Reaganism". He was just a figurehead reading lines other people wrote for him. Reagan was all on making it to the toilet in time never mind thinking about anything.
I think all presidents are basically figureheads. Usually when I say Bush,I mean the Bush administration,but I thought that was a given.
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Nope, I don't know if you are or not.
I don't believe you are, that's not the same as knowing.
You've gone from this....
" I was wondering if anyone here has been experiencing these symptoms... Phone taps House bugs Houses with cameras being stuck up and down through sinks to observe you and last of all to anyone's surprise , microphones being placed in my air conditionar that speak, and say things that are always just a tad too soft too hear. The microphones I believe are from agents, maybe cuban who knows, I think they like to brainwash me in my sleep to do things, such as masterbate, by playing porn tapes, and saying things over and over again, like go and beat off, you want it, do it, I swear if they ever slip acid in my ice cubes and do this while repeating blow up the world trade center I think.... " Old Nugs
to sounding coherant. If it is you, good job.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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The people in administration responsible for starting this "war" should be locked up.
After their legs are broken.
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Xlea321
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: monoamine]
#1706404 - 07/11/03 03:22 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think all presidents are basically figureheads. Usually when I say Bush,I mean the Bush administration,but I thought that was a given.
Agreed. Good line I heard recently about Reagan was "Just because he's forgotten what he did doesn't mean we should".
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i'm sorry but if you remember I am an unofficial official shizno, until I found god, if you want to trash nugs then trash nugs on a different thread, if you want to look for that link of named persons died, that would be cool (nugs runs off in a corner and cries because he is, was dumb..)
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I wasn't trashing you. Merely asking.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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fora acookiie? I mean what are you asking for?
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
#1706854 - 07/11/03 06:54 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cornholio said: The question is whether or not Bush has the right to keep them there to do something they didn't sign up for (oil protection, rather than constitution protection). To the best of my knowledge, Bush went to war with Iraq without even getting congressional approval, which itself is unconstitutional.
Of course he has the right to keep them there. You are being ridiculous. You need to improve your knowledge, the Congress gave him approval last year.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: shakta]
#1707613 - 07/12/03 12:23 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Of course he has the right to keep them there. You are being ridiculous. You need to improve your knowledge, the Congress gave him approval last year.
Ok, I improved my knowledge per your request, and found that the war in Iraq is very clearly unconstitutional. The Constitution gives Congress and Congress alone the power to declare war, which they may not delegate. There are hundreds of websites that confirm this; and many explain other reasons why this war is unconstitutional, such as:
Invading Iraq Is Unconstitutional Violating the Constitution With an Illegal War Why I Oppose the Unconstitutional War with Iraq Why The War With Iraq Is Unconstitutional Suit challenges Bush war authority
So I'm the one being "ridiculous"???
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
#1707957 - 07/12/03 05:15 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Try this link....
War Powers Act
My read is it falls under this. I'd love to hear your thoughts after you read it.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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shakta
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We have not declared war on anyone. Congress approved military action in Iraq last year.
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luvdemshrooms said: Try this link....
War Powers Act
My read is it falls under this. I'd love to hear your thoughts after you read it.
Interesting that you cite the War Powers Act to support the case for war against Iraq. The purpose of the Act was to further limit the power of the President from engaging in wars like Korea, Vietnam, etc. In fact SEC. 8. (d) of the Act says that "Nothing in this joint resolution shall be construed as granting any authority to the President with respect to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations wherein involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances which authority he would not have had in the absence of this joint resolution."
So my take is that the War Powers Act does nothing to strengthen the case for war.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
#1708240 - 07/12/03 10:32 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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War by any other name is still war,whether it's called an "operation" or a "conflict" or whatever.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: Cornholio]
#1708243 - 07/12/03 10:34 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is the purpose of this joint resolution to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgement of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicate by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.
I disagree. Once Congress voted to give the President their approval, which they did, he was all set.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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EXACTLY. CONGRESS GAVE HIM PERMISSION. END OF STORY! GAWD, QUIT BEING SO DENSE!
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luvdemshrooms said: I disagree. Once Congress voted to give the President their approval, which they did, he was all set.
I'm confused with what you're trying to argue. With Congressional approval, war is constitutional without the War Powers Act.
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Re: US losses in Iraq [Re: shakta]
#1708499 - 07/12/03 01:06 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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EXACTLY. CONGRESS GAVE HIM PERMISSION. END OF STORY! GAWD, QUIT BEING SO DENSE!
From what I read, the Senate approved the Iraq war resolution "authorizing President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refused to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions." It appears Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction to give up, and it also appears the UN hadn't found Saddam in violation of doing this when Bush attacked.
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