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Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals
    #17030428 - 10/14/12 03:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Strain is Panaeolus cambodginiensis goliath

I tried searching this first and came up with nothing..

I really like using the polymer crystals with cubes, but I also know how pans react with excess water in the casing.. I figure I would ask if anyone had tried it and with what results

I will be trying it soon and posting it here, tomorrow I will MS>LC.


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17031726 - 10/14/12 08:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

How do they work out for you with the cubes?  Does it keep you from having to dunk or anything?  Really curious about this and haven't seen anything where someone has used them. How many do you throw in per x quarts of sub or whatever?

Sorry I couldn't help with your question too :-(


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: Pfffffff]
    #17031860 - 10/14/12 08:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

sounds interesting but ive never heard of this technique before, good luck!


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17031875 - 10/14/12 08:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm interested to see your results. Pan Cambo is quite picky. Good luck.


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: Pfffffff]
    #17031917 - 10/14/12 08:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have a friend who uses them...he is able to get two good flushes w/o dunking but whether it is better to use them or not begs additional questions about safety and results:

1. There is some conflicting opinions of their safety and whether there is breakdown and the polymer ends up in the fruits.

2. The other possible problem he wonders about is whether the crystals actually reduce the moisture level in the substrate as it loses moisture over time...the crystals rapidly accept water so if the cake loses moisture, he questions whether the crystals may be pulling water out of the sub to maintain their own moisture level.

I have encountered this when i used them with spider plant grown in a very small ( 1 cup) container. I used a media that was predominantly polymer crystals...the root system isn't able to draw much water out of the crystals. This may be because the crystals have a propensity to maintain maximum moisture capacity (hydrophilic). This may not be an issue when your media has a lower ratio of crystals.

I can certainly say they help plants- Summers here are very hot and any outdoor plants require regular watering. As I plant, I put in a good layer of crystals. I rarely if ever have to water my plants now. Same is true for my potted plants- with the addition of polymer crystals, i have noticed that my potted plants left out during the summer rarely require watering between rains.

Hope this helps your analysis...

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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: Pfffffff]
    #17031978 - 10/14/12 08:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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How do they work out for you with the cubes?  Does it keep you from having to dunk or anything?  Really curious about this and haven't seen anything where someone has used them. How many do you throw in per x quarts of sub or whatever?

Sorry I couldn't help with your question too :-(




I fucking love them, no trich loving peat moss to fuck your project up, holds way more water than tge 50/50 as well, and evaporates it slower. Like Stamets says, a completely contam free casing mix.

I'm assuming you mean dunking after the first flush? No I have never dunked a sub, after the first flush I cycle in new trays into the GH

LIPA has a good tek some where around here, I dump about 6 cups per tray, soak in water for a few hours, strain well, add vermiculite, I add until texture is right no measuring there, if I'm doing a thick casing I add perlite to ensure air movement near the sub, works great as it won't crush or compact, I use/add it dry, and a pinch of gypsum, mix well, no pasteurization or sterilization, don't even try it, I have been using it for years and LOVE them , one pound make 16 gallons of material


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: dharmadeans]
    #17032039 - 10/14/12 09:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I have a friend who uses them...he is able to get two good flushes w/o dunking but whether it is better to use them or not begs additional questions about safety and results:

1. There is some conflicting opinions of their safety and whether there is breakdown and the polymer ends up in the fruits.

2. The other possible problem he wonders about is whether the crystals actually reduce the moisture level in the substrate as it loses moisture over time...the crystals rapidly accept water so if the cake loses moisture, he questions whether the crystals may be pulling water out of the sub to maintain their own moisture level.

I have encountered this when i used them with spider plant grown in a very small ( 1 cup) container. I used a media that was predominantly polymer crystals...the root system isn't able to draw much water out of the crystals. This may be because the crystals have a propensity to maintain maximum moisture capacity (hydrophilic). This may not be an issue when your media has a lower ratio of crystals.

I can certainly say they help plants- Summers here are very hot and any outdoor plants require regular watering. As I plant, I put in a good layer of crystals. I rarely if ever have to water my plants now. Same is true for my potted plants- with the addition of polymer crystals, i have noticed that my potted plants left out during the summer rarely require watering between rains.

Hope this helps your analysis...




1 Oyster mycelium has been used for petrol oil remediation, the fruits of which contain no trace amounts of oil and though "safe" to eat they are dried, crushed, and used as landscaping grade fertilizer, not to worried as the crystals are used frequently in "organic" farming.

2 No, the crystals dry from the top down and dry out completely on the sub without pulling from the sub.


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17043935 - 10/16/12 06:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Made some new lids, not new design just new, will be knocking up some LC tomorrow.


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17054227 - 10/18/12 11:53 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Knocked up the LC (4% glucose in water) last night.

I was thinking of doing 9 trays with the following casings, if anyone thinks of another mix that they would like to see applied to pans post them, I'll see what I can do.

50/50 dry
50/50 fc
Verm dry
Verm fc
Peat dry
Peat fc
Pwc/verm
Pwc/peat
Pwc50/50

Fc= field capacity
Dry =>50% moisture


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17054484 - 10/18/12 12:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

isnt 50% moisture actually a little more wet than field capacity?

a good rule of thumb (IME) for 50/50+ is adding a little less than 1/3 water of the total dry volume.


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: IamYou]
    #17057665 - 10/18/12 08:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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isnt 50% moisture actually a more wet than field capacity?

a good rule of thumb (IME) for 50/50+ is adding a little less than 1/3 water of the total dry volume.





I'm talking about >50% of field capacity...


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17058486 - 10/18/12 10:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'll be watching this thread anxiously for results as I'm going to be a couple
Weeks behind you with the pans. Hope to see which one works best!


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: serotonin storm]
    #17058826 - 10/18/12 11:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Field capacity is around 65% moisture. You can check it out by the microwave moisture content test. Here is a link to what I use but I use 20 grams instead of 100.

http://pubstorage.sdstate.edu/AgBio_Publications/articles/ExEx8077.pdf


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: shroomsisay]
    #17167975 - 11/05/12 06:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Update:
I knocked up one jar with 800ml of 4% solution (karo), at the same time I knocked up 6 similar jars with the koh samui "super strain" cube, they were set in a 82°f environment. Over the last 2 weeks I've notice that the cubes are colonizing the karo at a faster rate than the cambos, as of today the cubes are ~80% colonized as the cambos are around the 25-30% mark. On Oct 31 I inoculated jars of rye with both the ksss and the cambos (3 jars each). Yesterday (Nov 4} I noticed the first visible signs of germination on the cambos with no signs on the cubes. 12 hours later the same day growth in the cambo jars had expanded significantly, in my opinion similar to what cubes look like after 3 days after first signs of germination, still nothing on the cubes. I looked at them a few hours before writing this and the cambos have doubled its mass, still nothing on the cubes but expecting in the next 24hrs.

The speed of growth in the rye jars in comparison to cubes what what I expected, what I had not expected was the speed of colonization in the LC solution, my first guess is that the karo provides very little nutes beyond the glucose. I will acquirer the ingredients for some common LC solutions to do some side by side comparisons of pan cambos in different LCs, feel fee to post your favorites I'll use any good idea.


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17219553 - 11/14/12 03:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Update and question:
The LC was used about a week ago, shaken ~72hrs later and today I have 6 quart jars that look like this


I'll be spawning to pasteurized hpoo in the next 48hrs, my question is what is the best spawn ratio to use, I read somewhere years ago 4:1 is best and have had good results with cyans, I'm assuming this will be ok for cambos (?)


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17219583 - 11/14/12 04:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Knocked up the LC (4% glucose in water) last night.

I was thinking of doing 9 trays with the following casings, if anyone thinks of another mix that they would like to see applied to pans post them, I'll see what I can do.

50/50 dry
50/50 fc
Verm dry
Verm fc
Peat dry
Peat fc
Pwc/verm
Pwc/peat
Pwc50/50

Fc= field capacity
Dry =>50% moisture




Peat is not a substrate additive.
You are confusing substrate with casing layer.


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #17219811 - 11/14/12 04:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Knocked up the LC (4% glucose in water) last night.

I was thinking of doing 9 trays with the following casings, if anyone thinks of another mix that they would like to see applied to pans post them, I'll see what I can do.

50/50 dry
50/50 fc
Verm dry
Verm fc
Peat dry
Peat fc
Pwc/verm
Pwc/peat
Pwc50/50

Fc= field capacity
Dry =>50% moisture




Peat is not a substrate additive.
You are confusing substrate with casing layer.


 
I believe you are the confused one... Read what you quoted, where do you see the word substrate?


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17222972 - 11/15/12 06:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Bump: seriously, best cambo spawn ratio?


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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17223001 - 11/15/12 06:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis and polymer water crystals [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #17277669 - 11/25/12 08:18 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Update:
On 11/21 I g2g one of the jars into ten jars, expanding it again 11/27 to 100 jars, I spanned the other five jars to hpoo (2:1) casing them tomorrow


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