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 igore
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 PF Tek is shitty 
#1702693 - 07/10/03 01:16 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know someone who birthed numerous pf 1/2 pint jars and has had a bitch of a time getting decent flushes. Most pins abort and he's has begun to brainstorm why??? He thinks it is because there is too little nutrients in the brf/verm mixture to support the amount of pins that each cake produces. Is this possible? He's seriously thinking about going bulk.
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neutralizer
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 Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: igore]
#1702710 - 07/10/03 01:20 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Funny, thousands of other people have been successful with it...
Including myself...
Did you follow the instructions exactly? Did you improvise at all? How many times did you try it? Lots of things could cause pins to abort. How's your temp? Humidity? Clean environment? What exactly happens with pins - how big do they get before they abort?
Going bulk would definately be superior, but if you are new, you should probalby get the hang of one of the easier teks first - if you don't want to try the PF tek again, there are lots of variations on it around, and also numerous other methods.
Prof. Fanaticus is a good guy. Gogo PF Tek^^
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: igore]
#1702717 - 07/10/03 01:23 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bulk (straw and/or dung) is undeniably superior, but the PF tek produces nicely under the right conditions. Were all your jars grown with flour from the same source?
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MycoCakeEater
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Who are you to say its shitty? 
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: igore]
#1702721 - 07/10/03 01:23 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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yep, could be a million reasons. cakes or cased?
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Ainasko
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: dog]
#1702739 - 07/10/03 01:27 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think most would agree that it is an entry level tek. It's a great way to learn the growth cycles. Perhaps you should master the most basic of teks before moving on.
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redfoot
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: igore]
#1702758 - 07/10/03 01:31 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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If your not happy with your results either try to change your process or completely change processes all together. If he can achieve colonized cakes then just read up on pasturizing some poo and use those colonized cakes as spawn.
just a thought
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FallenShroom
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: Ainasko]
#1702762 - 07/10/03 01:31 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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<I think most would agree that it is an entry level tek. It's a great way to learn the growth cycles. Perhaps you should master the most basic of teks before moving on.
thats the best way i have heard pf tek described if you cant get a flush from this dont try harder teks
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guitarnut
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a friend had trouble with the pftek also, same thing happened. i told them to reevaluate and maybe use the "max fruiting" formula instead. also, the high temperatures this time of year in the states makes it a bit tough. he tried the bulk but no results either so back to PF. crawl b4 u walk.
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george castanza
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: guitarnut]
#1702946 - 07/10/03 02:23 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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what strain?
please post a strain as kramer has found big differances in different strains.
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cyndyl
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I think the grow log magash posted under the 'brf, a waste of time?'thread,
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1694393&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
shows some pretty damn good results for pf tek using brf... Wish I could show the same, but...
he dunked the cakes and rolled them in verm upon birthing.
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Diploid
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: igore]
#1703309 - 07/10/03 04:14 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
I know someone who birthed numerous pf 1/2 pint jars and has had a bitch of a time
The majority of PF tek failures are due to the cultivator improvising or changing something. Did you follow the tek exactly to the letter?
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: cyndyl]
#1703313 - 07/10/03 04:16 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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as was said already pf tek is good for getting your feet wet....other methods are better but more complex....get the pf tek down first then move on
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soochi
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: igore]
#1703321 - 07/10/03 04:19 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive preached about bulk time and time again. It's not that hard, you just need the right shit.
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MycoCakeEater
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: ]
#1703322 - 07/10/03 04:19 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I went from PF cakes, to caseings, to now growing Liquid Mycelium Culture for grain jars and casing on poo. Its a first vital step.
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FallenShroom
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: Diploid]
#1703333 - 07/10/03 04:22 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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i like the pf method it works great not like dung/straw but still great here are two cakes afoaf made So this method Does NOT Suck just practice some more
beginning
End flush same as above
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very nice
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FallenShroom
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: ]
#1703352 - 07/10/03 04:31 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks as you can see this method works well so all the new people out there dont be scared and start off on a harder tek when this one when you follow directions works well
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HillBilly777
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I'm inclined to agree with FallenShroom. Afoaf is in the process of having amazing results fruiting cakes rolled in verm (thanks Magash!). Currently he has 6 cakes each of puerto-rican and thai ks fruiting, with about 30 3cm to 4cm little guys on each. Of course there will be aborts, but it looks promising.
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Magash
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Re: PF Tek is shitty [Re: igore]
#1703819 - 07/10/03 07:37 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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PF works fine
Grow Log
Tek : PF
Strain : South American [SA]
Spores : Came from homemade prints. 36 total jars to be injected.
Substrate :Brown Rice Flour [BRF] and Vermiculite [Verm]
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10:15 PM 3/4/03 : Project is started. Jar prep is just putting small holes in the lids for the spore syringe and then taping them closed until inoculation. Tape used is the standard black electrical tape. First batch of jars is mixed. The mix used is 2 parts verm, 1 part water, and 1 part brf. [ This mix is the max fruiting formula by PF.] Mix is put into 1/2 pint canning jars lightly, not packed in, and left it airy. Put substrate in until it reaches the threads of the jar, then add dry verm the rest of the way.
Jars are PCd at 10psi or 240f for a period of 45 minutes. Then jars were left to sit overnight to cool.
8:39 PM 3/5/2003 : First batch of jars injected. (24 jars)
10:04 AM 3/6/2003 : Incubator is running to low 77F. Going to turn it up today.
5:45 PM 3/6/2003 : Second batch of jars is in the PC will be injected tomorrow. Turned up incubator runs at 83F. 86F is the best and if the incubator is 83F and myc growing in the jars is suppose to create a little heat I figure this should work out well.
1:11 PM 3/7/2003 : Second batch of jars is done. (12 jars)
12:10 PM 3/9/2003 : Jars are doing good, no signs of contams
2:54 AM 3/19/2003 : Tape removed from the holes today and coffee filters put over the top of the jars for added protection. Holes were opened so the CO2 in the jars could escape. I gave 12 jars to a friend who kept fucking up. 24 jar?s about 75%done.
12:13 PM 3/22/2003 : Well it's Saturday and the jars will probably be done by the 25th. So it was 36 jars. 12 were given to a friend, 24 done by Tuesday.
10:26 PM 3/23/2003 : 15 jars were done enough to put into dunk. I dunk and cold shock before birthing and after every flush. The other 9 jars have a spot the size of a pea that has to be covered so I'll do those on the 25th.
7:17 PM 3/24/2003 : 15 jars put into the pod. Put in and put a layer of moist verm on top. With geolite I just put the cakes on it. With some other chambers I put the cake on a lid filled with verm. This is done to give the shrooms on the bottom and the top of the cake some added moisture.
The other 9 jars just finished so I'm going to give them a couple more days to make sure the middle of the cake is done.
4:57 PM 3/27/2003 : 5 More cakes birthed today, 4 left going to do them tomorrow or 3/29/2003
3:58 PM 3/29/2003 : Well I lost another cake. My wife's little 1 cake pod made from a 2 liter and a small fish pump and a little geolite used up her last cake so I gave her a SA to grow. The last 3 are in the cold shock dunk.
So the total is 36 jars done all colonized with no contams. 12 given to a friend, 1 to the wife, 23 mine
12:08 PM 3/30/2003 : Last of jars put in
12:02 PM 3/31/2003 : The first 15 cakes are pinning nicely and some have shrooms coming from the bottom.
11:01 AM 4/3/2003 : Things look to be going well.
1:02 AM 4/4/2003 : Took the first flush from four of the cakes. More will be done later today.
5/8/2003 : Total 23 cakes 164 grams dried.
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