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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: teknix]
    #17100657 - 10/25/12 05:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, but it is rigged again, because you already said it is impossible, making it subjectively so.





Then objectively prove me wrong.  Objective trumps subjective.


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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: Icelander]
    #17100668 - 10/25/12 05:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I already gave a scenario that such an event could take place.

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: teknix]
    #17100687 - 10/25/12 05:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

No that won't work. Go back and read what I wrote. You had to do it by the time you read what I wrote + one second in real time and you did not. :shrug:

I have the food in my refrigerator to prove it. :laugh:


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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: Icelander]
    #17100736 - 10/25/12 05:52 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So? It's not universally true in every possible instance. Let's not get personal OK?

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: Icelander]
    #17100850 - 10/25/12 06:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It's called an Accident Fallacy when you go from general to specific or Hasty Generalization when reversed.

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: teknix]
    #17100886 - 10/25/12 06:16 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Wow.. I knew philosophy and physics where hot topics, but I didn't think such seemingly rational people would get so insulting over it...


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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: teknix]
    #17100926 - 10/25/12 06:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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So? It's not universally true in every possible instance. Let's not get personal OK?





But it was personal and therefore impossible. Never said it was universal but made it specific.


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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #17100936 - 10/25/12 06:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

If you didn't want to debate, you shouldn't have posted,as you seem to have emotional investment in your beliefs that results in bad feelings when faced with questions you have no answer to. :shrug:

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: Icelander]
    #17100952 - 10/25/12 06:26 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

People point out stupidity here for eachothers well being.
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teknix said:
So? It's not universally true in every possible instance. Let's not get personal OK?





But it was personal and therefore impossible.




Yeh, but it's not really evidence for an objective impossibility, you are telling me (to the person) that I have to eat all the food on the earth in 1 second.

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: teknix]
    #17101014 - 10/25/12 06:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Right and I said I thought it was objectively  impossible and it turned out I was right. :shrug:

If you go back to how all this started the OP said that from experience he knew that anything was possible.  I could have as easily used him for this little experiment but you were more handy.


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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: Icelander]
    #17101036 - 10/25/12 06:41 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

ok, so you are going to use a specific event to create a general rule? Which fallacy is that?

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: Memories]
    #17101429 - 10/25/12 07:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Lol a debate doesnt involve name calling XD that's not an answer in and of itself either. And besides, I've already given my side of things.. I accept others disagreements, and at this point I don't have a way to further discuss it to create more understanding.


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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #17101473 - 10/25/12 07:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"OP said that from experience he knew that anything was possible."
Well I never said that I "knew" anything was possible. Such things as this I call Evidence Based Beliefs. I Believe that anything is possible based upon my individual experiences- Everything is fundamentally a Belief as I understand it- Being Human for example, I believe it because the evidence continues to demonstrate that it is so- But I can only base that presumption through the perceptions of a Human itself- and I don't even know if those senses are an accurate depiction of reality. I can only go on what makes sense and works for me through my ration investigations and discoveries and by sharing and reverberating them with others.

If I could somehow portray all the experiences, trials, and experiments I have gone through that has made me believe that Anything is possible, you would Understand why I feel the way I do. Yet you may still disagree, that's entirely your prerogative.

Im not here to convince anyone- I was simply sharing, and curious as to some of the responses.
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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #17101586 - 10/25/12 08:10 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

a debate doesnt involve name calling

No one's calling anyone names, though some stoopid ideas that have been posted here have been called names. As well they should. Stoopid ideas merit the name stoopid. As do bizarre, convoluted, irrational ideas intended to twist and scheme rather than address the debate.

Religious people are fond doing that. They reject evolution because dogs don't give birth to cats even though dogs giving birth to cats has nothing to do with evolution. That's moronic, and I'll call that moronic every time I see someone post it. And the crap that's been posted here has nothing to do with the proposed puzzle either.

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There are  possibilities in physics that would allow for that box to be made in a single stroke




That's moronic given that the whole point of the puzzle is that it's impossible if those those possibilities are not invoked.

Sorry if it bothers you to have your dumb ideas ridiculed. My advice: read the rules.


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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: Diploid]
    #17101618 - 10/25/12 08:16 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Why should those possibilities be excluded?

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: teknix]
    #17101679 - 10/25/12 08:26 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Because some puzzles are solvable and some are not. The specific puzzle that excludes those possibilities is not solvable.

That's the whole point. You are not solving the proposed puzzle because you can't. You're solving a different one you pulled out of your ass because that one IS solvable.

Change my proposal all you like. The truth will still be the truth. And creationist who reject evolution because dogs don't give birth to cats will still be morons. Evolution doesn't say that dogs give birth to cats no matter how often morons repeat it. That is a different theory than evolution so of course it's refutable.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: Diploid]
    #17101739 - 10/25/12 08:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

would you agree that something that is impossible could never be observed?

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: Diploid]
    #17101770 - 10/25/12 08:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Look Diploid.. I adpated to your 'puzzle'. No-game.. I adjusted.. No-game.. So I accommodated- I cant currently define for you a way to solve your so called unsolvable puzzle.
And within that, your are totally missing how your point is moot in regards to what I was simply attempting to share..
That I believe Anything is possible in life.

But because yours and others perspectives may disagree based only upon your own individual experiences and interpretations of reality (for which I have very little foreknowledge/understanding about, as you don't with my experiences) you have every right to point out your disagreements, and state how much you consider them stupid or moronic..
But again, what is your point with all that? How can you ever hope to get your point across by insulting other peoples Ideas?
Has that been effective for you historically in debates and intellectual/philosophical discussions in.. whatever your intention is in having this discussion.. Which to me seems like a cheap way for you to feel better about yourself at others expense..
Now if that's your intention, by all means, have at er.. and good luck.. But from what I first gathered in your posts, you actually are trying to have a rational level headed discussion here.. and wishing to share your ideas, and not just try to jam them down some throats..

I get that you made your point- You showed that there is something that is impossible.. But for me, as I tried to explain before, due to the paradoxical nature of what I've observed, all you have done is shown that Impossibilities are included in the my idea that Anything is Possible.

Er and ya.. A puzzle that "can't be solved" isnt really a puzzle :/


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Edited by FunkMasterShroom (10/25/12 08:42 PM)

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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #17101902 - 10/25/12 09:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

your are totally missing how your point is moot in regards to what I was simply attempting to share.. That I believe Anything is possible in life.

I get your point. It's sophomoric and gets posted here all the time even if you think it's original and profound. My point is that your belief is wrong. Period. Some things ARE impossible no matter how emotionally invested you may be in the silly idea that everything is possible.

Er and ya.. A puzzle that "can't be solved" isnt really a puzzle

"Mathematical problems such as the missing square puzzle. Many of these are 'impossible puzzles'" -- Wiki entry on puzzles

And here's a list of impossible puzzles also from the Wiki.

Here is a classic impossible puzzle in mathematical logic called GΓΆdel's Incompleteness.

QED


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Re: Accepting "Life on Life's Terms"... [Re: teknix]
    #17102146 - 10/25/12 09:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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teknix said:
ok, so you are going to use a specific event to create a general rule? Which fallacy is that?





The only general rule here is that some things are impossible.  That's all I had to show to demonstrate that it is incorrect to assume that everything is possible.


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