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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #17009011 - 10/10/12 11:09 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I found this interesting shopped/staged photograph of a Trichocereus Bridgesii Monstrose Flowering.




Staged for sure. That poster likes to mess with people. He's done a couple of funny ones.

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I am not saying THIS is a true flowering TBM however is it not possible for it to produce flowers since it has areolas? To my knowledge no one has had a TBM produce a flower.




Areoles are not necessarily indicators of flowering potential. Flowering in cacti is strange and temperamental. In this thread or maybe another someone mentioned inducing flowering with hormones. Not really possible in cacti like it is in other plants. The biochemical triggers have not yet been elucidated. If they had been then breeding would be much much easier.

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Monstrose/Crested traits can be passed onto the seeds if using that plant as the father. This is seen often now with hybrid seeds of  T. peruvianus cristata and other cultivar cacti.




Yes and no. There is not enough data on hybrid seeds of Trichocereus crosses to make this assumption really. I guess they can be passed on in certain cases, but it's not really universal and I can think of more crest and monstrose parent crosses where they give normal offspring than weird offspring. Often is the wrong word in any case.

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Now the thing that came to mind was wouldn't a Chimera also produce flowers since it contains areolas?(Not sure if the Ariocarpus retusus x Echinopsis eyriesii is flowering in the photo or pupping) IF this were the case would the traits or a 'true' chimera be produced in the seeds, assuming that the pollen is not sterile? This question may not be answered here as it has not happened to my awareness but perhaps a member might have more incite on this topic.




Chimeras of any plant are strange. Chimeras are just a mish-mash of cells of one type and another type. If they flower they flower true to a single species (and furthermore clone) because the flower developed out of a single cell of a single type. You get weird growth, but no inheritable traits. The pollen is not sterile just from a single one of the plants that gave rise to the chimera. Chimera often eventually revert to a single form of growth which is why they are fairly rare in cultivation except for certain cultivars like the Myrtillocalycium, but even those specimens if not cared for carefully typically revert to / terminate to straight Gymnocalycium style growth.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: naum]
    #17009982 - 10/11/12 05:06 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I have used one thinny columnar to grafting. It have taken very good respond to lophophora, Problem is that I actually do not know what species it is.

I buyed it years ago from gardening store. It's like thinny trichocereus but aeroes has very small amount of white hairs, still actual cactus doesn't even covered with hairs.

It was long time my favourite grafting stock, the cactus is not even so fat, grows pretty fast and have very small spines along some white hairs. Anoying is that I really don't know the species. It's just like tricho and sticky glue like slime inside when cutted, but it have hairy aeroles. The stickyness is identical to trichocereus. That stock is still more identical to trichos than many other species, only thin that it is not tricho and its hairy. I have few hairy cactus species but this as stock have really really thin and smal amount of hairs from evey aerole, and handling the stock is very nice cause there are no massive spines.

Now I have lost that cactus, but I have photo from it where is grafted loph caespitosa.

I really liked this cactus as grafting cause it grows rather thiny than fat and it was very easy to clone and so on. Also speed of grow is almost like trichocereus, this stock tolerates water too pretty good. I have watered it as much as my trichos.

There is same caespitosa and same stock with peyote as peruvian torch as stock:


Can anyone quess what species it might be? Stock is at picture from bottom part of cactus but upper it has few random spines and some white hairs, but still it was very visible trough these hairs. I have concedered that species as good as trichocereus, at the moment I don't have it anymore, but would be nice if someone can ID the stock. This thinny small spined and very less haired cactus was good as grafting, Succees rate has been as good as with trichocreus cactus. I have only grafted caespitosa buttons to this and that species almost glue the scion itself to the stock, just like trichocereus is slimy when cutted.

Any Ideas? now this cactus is almost lost from my collection (i sold few of them) but later I actually would want to know what this would be? Very easy to root and take cuttings and growing rate is nice to there is possibility to cut one cactus into several stocks and use it. Never failed loph grafts to this unkown cactus.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: intelligentlife]
    #17010138 - 10/11/12 06:36 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:
One thing popped to my mind cause I own some ortegocactus macdougalii as grafted to trichocereus and one making allready offshoot.

I have seen this cactus has take form of opuntia, but can it maybe take form from another stocks, should I try if I maybe get new growing from of cactus? That rare and tricky cactus is mystery to me, and I am proud to have it. Do you guys have information about how easily this cactus can take growth form from stock?

Now they are growing top of trichos, soon I will have probably more offsets to try, I just need to decide what would be the stock species to get ortegocactus macdougalii maybe take new form of growing? you guys can suggest me anything, I can get almost all species if not from my collection, I can afford to buy and test as soon as I got more and new offshoots from ortegocactus.

These will produce soon new offshoots cause one actually have allready and I think these trichos will make these grow fast.
[http://www.shroomery.org/forums/thumbs/12-39/851250381-thumb_240920121622.jpg


I am sure that atleast another is allready attached and shown new grown on top of san pedro stock. Another I have moved to t. bridgesii cause it doesn't stick to peruvian torch in the picture, maybe too fat and big vascular ring in peruvian torch? but I have possibility to try get this cactus get new forms, depends what would be good choice for stock plant to get new forms?

Later when these ortegocactus macdougalii cactus plants grows and I have oppourtunity to graft that cactus to many different stocks, just because it maybe can take form of stock plant. One is already making new offshoot so when it's growing I have one specimen more to try it to something very different and try to get new form. Anyone have ortegocactus macdougalii grafted and what stocks you guys have used? I have thinking to try something what maybe force this ortegocactus to start growing totally new form. Any Idea? Anyone have got anything else from this than opuntia form?

I have thinking these species from my collection where I maybe can try ortegocactus offshoots and try to be lucy if I got new form of growing. What you say about this list as stock, is there possibility to get new form to ortegocactus when grafting? TBM A-clone maybe? have anyone tested?

These I would be ready to try for stock plant to ortegocactus offshoots as soon as my cactus produce more offshoots and littlebit bigger. Is there any "rule" what species as stock works better to get scion change form? or is it just lucky and need to try everything?

So these cactis I have and actually ready to try as stock and hope that maybe ortegocactus takes new form. What would be interesting? or should I get something what you suggest to me? These I can take for use right away and try for stock, I'm actually very interested cause this ortegocactus is very funny cactus and I have seen it to take forms from stock, what would be nice for stock to try ortegocactus get new form?

-Opuntia Robusta
-Trichocereus bridgesii v. monstrose clone A <- I'm very interested to try!
-Elychina castanea f. varispiralis <- I'm very interested to try!
-Echinopsis oxygona and few others
-Notocactus magnificus
-Notocactus warassii
-Trichocereus schickendantzii
-And this cactus what I do not remember what species this is.
would this be worth of trying?
-already grafted lophophora(caespitosa or something?) and make stock from two cactus by grafting ortegocactus to loph what is grafted to tricho, is this kind of grafting trick possible to get new forms from ortegocactus?:lol:

I have more different and fun cactis to try as stock too, but these at the list comes to my mind now to use as stock for ortegocactus and if I got lucky maybe I got new forms of grown?:lol:

What else would be interesting for stock as purpose for trying to change form of ortegocactus? Suggest me please, some pics are old but these at list comes to my mind, I have few other cactis too but I am not at home but maybe I can get some interesting stocks.

Is there any reason to try graft first lophophora caespitosa to tricho, then ortegocactus o caespitosa if there is chance to get ortegocactus as caespitosaform? awesome:

I am open for every ideas cause I'm so exited to test possibilities of new forms of that cactus.. There might be something what no one have no discovered yet.. huh?:sunny:

Would that Eychina castanea f. varspiralis cactus be potential to try ortegocactus get wicked forms? Do anyone have tested ortegocactus to various stocks, how easily this interesting species takes form from stock plant?

If that ortegocactus really takes forms from stocks, there are actually not much limits cause it canbe grafted maybe to grafted lophophora caespitosa too and hope to get something cool growth forms.

Give me ideas! As soon as even one offshoot grows littlebit bigger, I will make first try to some funny stock and hope to get new form, then I will try doing this again as soon as new offshoots comes from grafted ortegocactus macdougaliis, they are grafted to normal columnar trichos both, another have already offshoot comin so I can start my experiments soon and if I got new forms I will seriously take pictures and tell what I have done. Just little advice needed to know where I should graft this to try get new forms? suggest suggest!:awesome:

If someone have got new forms or even grow this ortegocactus, let me know what you have got or do this cactus makes easily new forms? does stock plant need to be somekind of cactus what will force scion to new form, or are this witn ortegocactus depending only what scion can do? What are known stock species what possible make scion to grow new forms?

I am soon ready to start my operation just littlebit waiting and thinking waht I may choose to be as stock plant for ortegocactus offshoot.:tongue2:

Are mammillarias potential stock plants in case of need to get scion starting to grow new forms? Is that thing depend from stock plant what are capable to change scions form? or do ortegocactus macdougalii that kind of weird cactus that it may be take any form what stock have?

Somehow I know how this works, but do stock cactus have to own some genetics and be able to force new forms for ortegocactus? or is depends from both scion and stock? where is the "domitating force" to make scion new forms? or are there scions what are simpy "weak" to keep their own form and they can be take any form what stock there is? Do anyone know how this works so I know how I can rise the chance to get new forms to ortegocactus macdougalii... This is very interesting, atleast now cause I have actual ortegocactus and many different species as candidates to stock plant. What would you do? tell me if you know so let the experiment begin soon! :sunny:

But actually I should have got shitloads of stocks and scions to try.

Do anyone know does opuntia robusta any genetic or chance as stock to make new form by chance of "accident"? Thats why I listed o. robusta cause I have it, then i have some random oputia where i have tryed to graft loph seedlings, dunno is it working, but i am actually interested of opuntia cactus as stocks cause they seems to be able to make new forms of grown to another cactus. I have heard about ortegocactus macdougalii that it's actually still cactus what difference from may other cactus, maybe this species have "weakness" to get by accident new forms via grafting?

As far as i understand, opuntias should be "the stock" what have higher chance to get new forms by accidentally?:confused:



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I just read from internet about this rare phenomena what can happen with cactus. I found information that this occurs with ariocarpus cactus genus more often than others.

As far as I understand, someone have got lucky and get totally new cactus by usin ariocarpus retusus as rootstock and grafted echinopsis on top of it. Later the echinopsis have started to make these "leaves" too what a. retusus have.

Oputias too as rootstock works with this but I found actually piece of information where are actually grafted peyotes to ariocarpus and anotherway too.. This actually can happen with every grafting time, but its really really rare and when and if someone can find and got lucky to found new ones, I think the cultivar makes money if cactus turns to interesting plant.

Damn, really.. it would be very funny to test by change tap roots from same size peyotes and ariocarpus retusus. =D But idk.. seems its waste of cactus if it fails. I maybe would do that if I want. But even o get chance to grow peyote like ariocarpus would be very cool. Ariocarpus seems so hard plant as grafts, but what you guys say? if i have same size peyote and ariocarpus and just change roots and hope that there pops some chimera plant.

Someone try to make "new cactus plants" by graftin many cactus on top of each other and hope that the last grafted one will pop totally "new plant"

This would be very interesting if I only have skills and luck.:shrug:

Really. If someone manage to find new chimaera, it could be few years laters worth alot. (if the cactus is desired by collectors)

it seems its just grafting and work work work work and hope that some sick grafting produce something cool. Sounds like new hobby for me ;D i would buy lots of small plants and graft them everyone randomously and hope if there come something.. But yea..Ariocarus it is what have biggest chance to make these chimaera cactis. I would just imagine what would lophophora looklike if it starts to produce ariocarpus look :awesome: But ofc no one can know what happens when grafting ariocarpus cactus genus, some opuntias have too littlebit better chance to get chimaera but still.

Chance to get it neeeds lots of work and luck and study of plants. as with every graft. there is very very very small chance to chimaera cactus will come, there can be lots of plants in private collectors but only few people knows these. I don't think so that every cactus cultivar makes information to internet about everything.. If I only had sponsor, i would try make some sick crossing with ariocarpus roots by using lophophora, astrophytums and lots of almost everything. Ateast I understand that ariocarpus tap root is easiest root to get chimaera cactus... if you have even luck to graft something to ariocarpus rootsystem, i don't have heard that someone have grafted anything to ariocarpus, exept some site i found what i dont understand but pictures shows that there is echinopsis grafted to ariocarpus retusus and grower have had lucky enough to get echinopsis with tap root produce both plant characterists... hmmm...

I seriously have to think about this, I am really curious to even try and time will tell what happens.... OR I start making something columnar where I put randomously some cactus here or there and so on, thats one trick how people make chimaera cactus plants by grafting dozens of different species like one large tower and just hope for best that there happes some crossing between two species.

If some bastard are lucky enough and get some chimaera what are wanted by every cultivar, I think there can be gold mine after few years of cloning and making it to selling if its even possible, but it have to be something really special ja probably smaller chance to success with it than win a lottery. :awesome:

Yea.. this is very interesting. I must have get some books and start to read about that, just cause i want something unique, its just have to start playing with luck and cactis.. :sunny: hihi.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: intelligentlife]
    #17010970 - 10/11/12 10:22 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The Chimera's up until now have been mainly by luck/chance and no know has made a new chimera on purpose. As you mentioned you would just need to try multiply stocks and hope that 1 results in a chimera.

intelligentlife I have also read about the ariocarpus often forming chimeras and that is something worth playing with if you have enough stock. As for first grafting onto a trichocereus than grafting another on top unless it was a contagious trait similar to the Opuntia subulata monstrose I don't believe that there would form any chimeras. IF they were to form it would soon be lost as the rapid growth would break the conjoined growth and revert similar to the currently know chimeras. As naum mentioned they revert if watered too often breaking the chimera growth pattern.

Next spring/summer when my cacti start to flower again I will try to form a new hybrid using the cement method with astrophytum asterias x lophophora williamsii. I'd imagine that the flowers wouldn't carry only 1 parents traits similar to the chimeras
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #17011501 - 10/11/12 12:19 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Sould it work if i buy ~20 lophophora size of 1inch and 20 size of 1inch ariocarpus, then i just change the roots to every plant?

There would be nice amounts of chances, but still its unlikely but I have seriously thin to get 40 cactus half of them lophs and another half a. retusus or a reutusus spp. only 1inch or less per plant.

ofourse hobby consumes money and this knowledge that this can happen, takes my hobby more further! nice. its just about how good luck it happens, but I think its ok to start with 20 grafts arioc -> loph loph -> arioc

If it even works? but they are so small only 1inch or ess so why I cant just change the roots for plants and hope for the best? :awesome:

i must ask my vendor and ask discount if i buy lots of 1inch arioc and lophs. but I just want to try and no matter, they are only 1inch so its worth of testing if the tap root change goes properly, I think it works as well as another grafing if plants are cutted from right place? there would be then actually 40 grafts total where can come if i am lucky ariocarpus+lophophora chimera. that would be nice cactus to have so thats why I maybe first go and try it. :lol:

I have to first try with few and test can I transpant the tap root from arioc to loph and anotherway but actually. why not??

would there be good chance to get chimera if I am lucky and do 40 grafts where hald of ariocarpuses are top and half are the root??

is it silly idea or maybe even worth to try?:sun:


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: intelligentlife]
    #17012048 - 10/11/12 01:49 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Would anyone know what these are they were given to me buy a friend and I would like to know what there called


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: trippertom]
    #17012211 - 10/11/12 02:14 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Should have made another thread but no problem :smile:

First is Myrtillocactus geometrizans and the second one is Pachycereus marginatus aka Mexican fence cactus.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: intelligentlife]
    #17012276 - 10/11/12 02:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

intelligentlife thats not a silly idea however you could say your money and do 5 grafts at first if any exhibit traits of the Aricarpus or vice versa than try to duplicate the results or create a better chimera.

Personally I would try multiple different stock verses only 1 stock multiple times. If you wanted to create a lophophora chimera try as many different stocks with that... so that you don't spend a fortune you can space the graft attempts out a few weeks which you will give the original lopho time to great pups and gives you time to see if the grafts show any abnormal growth patterns.

This is an interesting idea and is the reason why I started the thread. :smile: In the future I'll try a few different stocks myself and report the outcomes here. I'm limited in resources for now so not gonna be a quick update on my part but we would love to hear your results.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #17012815 - 10/11/12 03:31 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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intelligentlife thats not a silly idea however you could say your money and do 5 grafts at first if any exhibit traits of the Aricarpus or vice versa than try to duplicate the results or create a better chimera.

Personally I would try multiple different stock verses only 1 stock multiple times. If you wanted to create a lophophora chimera try as many different stocks with that... so that you don't spend a fortune you can space the graft attempts out a few weeks which you will give the original lopho time to great pups and gives you time to see if the grafts show any abnormal growth patterns.

This is an interesting idea and is the reason why I started the thread. :smile: In the future I'll try a few different stocks myself and report the outcomes here. I'm limited in resources for now so not gonna be a quick update on my part but we would love to hear your results.




For me. vendor have the cactis, no problem, i have money no problem if im interestested, I think about 1,5-2cm so its less than one inch wide per one plant and ofc there was 40 grafts, first should have to do only few and try hows it going. but I'm sure that less than 1inch lophos and arioarps will be the best and cheapest way

too big ariocarpus is very hard to graft and its too expensive anyway..


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: intelligentlife]
    #17014924 - 10/11/12 08:17 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I love this thread, y'all. Where could I get a piece of this Opuntia subulata monstrose? That seems amazing! Has anyone tried a bridgesii or a williamsii on top of that?


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: intelligentlife]
    #17014944 - 10/11/12 08:21 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Here are some possible candidates for interesting potential grafts.

Opuntia sp.
Christmas cactus
Ferrocactus sp.
and Opuntia tuna

These infected cacti may carry a virus similar to how the Opuntia subulata monstrose can infect the scion.

Source

Other possible candidates for potentially infected cacti are

lophocereus schotti monstrose
astro lotusland
Opuntia ficus-indica and Opuntia compressa

Read the last few posts
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: ToolTroll]
    #17014971 - 10/11/12 08:24 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I love this thread, y'all. Where could I get a piece of this Opuntia subulata monstrose? That seems amazing! Has anyone tried a bridgesii or a williamsii on top of that?




They are not too hard to find I currently have 2 Opuntia subulata monstrose however it has been shown that the infection from that cactus only seems to be passed to cacti in the Opuntioideae subfamily. I will however try grafting an extra pup of lophophora williamsii on a OSM just so I have the extra stock.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #17015080 - 10/11/12 08:41 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Cool, good reading. I'm going to at least start with what I have, christmas cactus, but I'm also going to look into getting a few types of opuntia.
Man, this grafting bit is kinda addictive.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: ToolTroll]
    #17015146 - 10/11/12 08:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Some more very interesting information regarding creating mutations.

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Why does this happen?

The precise cause of these mutations is unknown.  Many suppose a bacterial, fungal or viral infection may cause some genetic disturbance.  Another pathogen called a phytoplasma (sort of half way between a bacteria and a virus) has been shown to be the causative agent of cresting in at least some species.  Chemical and physical trauma have to be included in the list of possibilities, though usually that sort of occurence damages the meristem (growth center) in such a way that it simply begins to divide, resulting in 'ordinary' branching or multiple heads. But for some reason, sometimes the result is crestation instead.  I am sure pesticides and other toxic chemicals can alter gene function and result in mutations like this as well.  Perhaps radiation from the sun is another possible mutation cause.  Some plants seem more prone to this mutation at various seasons, so temperature, humidity or heat may have some influence.  Some nutritional deficiencies have been known to lead to cresting mutations (e.g., Zinc deficiency) as well.  And sometimes mutations can occur spontaneously (no external force needed)- just a chromosomal aberration resulting from some internal error in transcription or translation. 

Either way, it has been difficult to nearly impossible to artificially produce many crested or monstrose mutations in cultivation.  Such mutations are rarely heritable (so seed from such plants only produce more normal plants), at least in succulents; some dicots have been shown to have a heritable fasciation gene.  But there has to be some sort of genetic tendency for these mutations to occur as many species form crests fairly commonly while others have never been found to do so.  It is interesting to note the most succulents and cacti that form crests are those designed for extreme environments, while those who have evolved in more humid, temperate climates rarely crest (some exceptions of course).  And there are some cacti and Euphorbia species where crested individuals are so common that one can obtain them at local nurseries as cheaply as the normal plants.  Some are so common that it will not be unusual to so some purchased, cultivated normal plants to start cresting spontaneously in the garden.  There still is a lot of research that should be done in this field.




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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #17016391 - 10/12/12 01:40 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Damn I have give my monstrose opuntia cactus to my grandma... It would be a potential stockplant if there is something bacteria in cactus what can change the grown of scion.

Am I uderstand right huh?:rolleyes:

I think maybe I ask that monstrose opuntia if one of my vendors may have it, if that monstrose opuntia is good stock to change scions form of growing by with some virus or bacteria.

It would be actually interesting to try make multiple grafts by columnar way and time will show after grraft, after graft and so on, so maybe there start to grow anything new.´If just keep grafting different species avery time on top of another species of cactus:awesome: I have seen something like this kinf graftings from internet picture.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: intelligentlife]
    #17017013 - 10/12/12 07:03 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I suggested the other stocks because of the potential of passing on the virus. The HAKUUN markings, white blotches, on a Astrophytum myriostigma cv HAKUUN are passed on by an infected Opuntia ficus-indica.



The HAKUUN markings are very possible on a lophophora since it is not a chimera.

The  Opuntia subulata monstrose however has been shown to only infect cacti in the Opuntioideae subfamily. These are the included cacti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opuntioideae


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #17017176 - 10/12/12 08:05 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

:woooaaahhh: This thread is blowing my mind.


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Don't be a pussy, they're only glochids.

From a Reviewer on Amazon.com:
Sounds like your cacti was already dying do to your crappy care of it..... probably some kind of rot.
Or maybe it hated you and commit seppuku.


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    #17018137 - 10/12/12 12:06 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #17018141 - 10/12/12 12:07 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Inbreeding is a large factor in mutations of cacti causing crested, monstrose and variegation to occur. The inbreeding my induced thru self-pollination or breeding with a small and limited amount of cacti all from the same parents. In the wild these mutations occur but at a VERY lower rate than in cultivation.

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Let's make a brief conclusion:

    Mutation is a typical natural phenomenon; it is not a unique and rare event. Mutation is not necessarily a result of any sharp change of external factors.

    Recessive and harmful mutations are accumulated in natural populations of any kind, forming a resource for hereditary variability.

    When mutations show up outwardly (phenotypically), the process of natural selection evaluates the new mutation feature and compares it to the old one. It very often imposes a death sentence on mutants - they perish.

    Plants brought from habitat into collections form a micro population, in which inbreeding is inevitable.

    Through generations, inbreeding inevitably leads to an increased percentage of mutations in next generations of cultivated plants.

    The longer the species is cultivated by people and the greater is the number of generations grown from seeds in collections, the more mutants will appear amongst the seedlings.

    If you are interested in pure taxa of cacti, it is necessary (while it's not to late!) to use seeds taken from habitat or at least from imported plants. If you're interested in new abnormal forms, than you should use seeds, produced by inbreeding, stimulated self-pollination and remote hybridization.



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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #17018282 - 10/12/12 12:30 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Slightly off topic, but Modern, have you ever searched the cultivar for the shroomery?

There is stuff done by urb here that they have archived. Pretty cool.


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