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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #20894310 - 11/26/14 06:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

So an update on that possible chimera... I killed it. After the graft stalled for a couple of months I tried to regraft it and failed.






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The aquaculture bridgesii of mine had some damage around the base where the cactus was being suspended above the water. The cut hole had jaggid edges which cut the flesh leading to rot so I cut the black flesh and placed the entire seedling into the water to not rely on any support. Not sure on the outcome...

After some further research I have found out that cacti grown in water has been done before by a few... I'll share some pics and info of my lopho water experiment in the future. Someone with the space and time should attempt this with some cacti

http://keinhong.tripod.com/hydroponics.html

http://www.lapshin.org/cultivar/kniga/hydro-v1-e.htm
http://www.lapshin.org/cultivar/kniga/hydro-v2.htm





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I recently read an article in Cactus & Succulent Journal which was the observations of a grower. The grower noted that around 6-7% of cacti that had sustain thermal damage has shown monstrose or crested growth. This is not something that is exactly predictable but does offer some solace for unsightly damage caused by the heat. Temperatures that the author mentioned range from 40-45 °C (104-113 °F).

Copiapoa tenuissima forma mostruosa has been obtained by many people from normal plants that has thermal damage.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #20895181 - 11/26/14 10:43 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

RIP chimera. (the band and your one too.:tongue:)


Thanks for the links Comrade. Something to read...


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman] * 1
    #21210652 - 02/01/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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modern.shaman said:
The suspected chimera has not grown or changed at all.

Here is an update on the trichocereus bridgesii growing in water.
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This was a simple experiment that I've been doing for 2 months now, this bridgesii seedling has been in water and has not rotted. This is similar to how some people do 'hydro' pereskiopsis. The new growth is visible in the photo. I use a hydro fertilizer and change the water once a month. I've done the same with astro seedlings but has not had impressive results, most has rotted.





Here it is today.





1/31/2015
   


I also started a lopho cutting and a submerged trichocereus seedling/cutting in water to further experiment with this. Can be found here www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=87527

For those of you looking for more information on this topic you can find another member, gr33ntea, experimenting with hydro lopho seedlings on Shaman Australis here http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40655

Remember people experimentation leads to discoveries.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #21212897 - 02/01/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Whoa,that's pretty cool man,I must have missed this some how:stoned:


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21213533 - 02/01/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Seems i don't have permission to view the forum so...


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21216919 - 02/02/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry about the hassle to view the thread everyone. I'll likely update here with all the projects in the future but want to help that hidden treasure of a forum to get some more traffic and members.

If you want to see my thread there you just need to sign up.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman] * 1
    #21934494 - 07/12/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here is a 5/6 month update on the water bridgesii... the growth rate started picking up during these hot summer days. Hopefully it will start to thicken up in the coming weeks or next year.

7/7/2015


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #21934637 - 07/12/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

somehow, i never noticed this thread. It's just enlighted.
Shaman, correct me if i'm wrong, basically th you just put the roots ( and the roots only) underwater, and add fertilizer?
what about lights?

talking about percentages, how much faster do the trich grow, compared to regular potted trich ( in the same enviroment light/temps/nutrition)


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21934705 - 07/12/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The seedlings started as a fresh cutting placed in water until roots formed. The bottom 2 inches are submerged along with the roots and in the 4th photo you can see that it has corked.

The growth rate has only recently started to equate to regular potted trichocereus. The black line is the starting size of the cactus on Jan 1, 2015. It has grown 7 inches in the past 6 months mostly in the past month or 2. I keep the cutting outside getting indirect sunlight with temps ranging from mid 90's to low 80's.

This was more of an experiment to see if it would work rather than beat traditional cultivation. The pros that I see so far are smaller container size compared to potted plants and easier watering (I just add more water once a week when level is low).
If perhaps I aerate the water and experiment with high N levels I may get faster growth rates.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
    #21936121 - 07/13/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Intresting.
I think that while it may be easyer to water, it's still important to keep constant eye on this. But the most important it to experiment. And you are experimenting great.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's; Mutations, Crested, Variegated and Lots Of Other Stuff [Re: modern.shaman] * 1
    #22164788 - 08/30/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Two pics of my graft of a small slice of a Astrophytum Myriostygma Monstruous Cristin on a Myrtillocactus. Out of the center of that slice it seems to grow a mixture of the Astrophytum and the Myrtillocactus.

For months I thought that slice would dry out but suddenly I saw a crack on the upper and center part of the slice and I wondered what would become of it.

Now I hope I have my own chimera. I show you more pics when it has grown bigger.

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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's; Mutations, Crested, Variegated and Lots Of Other Stuff [Re: Dutchy]
    #22165766 - 08/30/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've gotta get on this :takingnotes:


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's; Mutations, Crested, Variegated and Lots Of Other Stuff [Re: spaceman101]
    #22165797 - 08/30/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think this thing is saying "kill me".

Sorry but I really dislike monstrose and chimera stuff.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's; Mutations, Crested, Variegated and Lots Of Other Stuff [Re: Argyreia]
    #22454822 - 10/30/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

While trying to take the time to read through this long thread I came upon some awesome information as well as some people offering to take on some experiments. I wa kind of wondering if anything 'at all" has come from these experiments.

I'll bump this up so I can take a lil more time to read through it all "IL has a tendency to make this difficult:smirk:" and I'm sure some others would enjoy checking it out as well so I don't feel so selfish with bumping it:wink:


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's; Mutations, Crested, Variegated and Lots Of Other Stuff [Re: spaceman101]
    #22454998 - 10/30/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've tried oryzalin soak for mutations but did it half assed and just ended the test. Will work on it again some time soon with more order.
Caffine soak may also be tested along side the other

So my experiment will be 25 control seedlings, 25 1/100 suflan seedlings 24 hour soak, 25 1/200 surflan seedlings 24 hour soak, 25 1mg/mL 24 hour soak seedlings, 25 2mg/mL 24 hour soak seedlings. The soak time may be lower and will note the time. The seedlings will be 5-7 days old before soaking. Will likely sow around 300-500 seedlings and choose random seedlings for soaking and control. Will try sowing the seeds tomorrow if I get a chance.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's; Mutations, Crested, Variegated and Lots Of Other Stuff [Re: modern.shaman]
    #22455328 - 10/30/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sweet! Looks like I'm gonna need to do more studying:tongue:

Thanks for the update and I like your new avatar:wink:


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's; Mutations, Crested, Variegated and Lots Of Other Stuff [Re: spaceman101]
    #22455410 - 10/30/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks... had to change it due to the older one not working for some reason.

BTW I'll be using an old batch of bridgesii seeds from WSS. I have stored.

OOO the water bridgesii experiment ended with a small amount of rot on the roots. Likely due to low aeration and lack of changing water more than once a month. I cut the roots and have since planted the cutting outside in sandy soil.


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's; Mutations, Crested, Variegated and Lots Of Other Stuff [Re: modern.shaman]
    #22455579 - 10/30/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Damn! you need to try again with a bubbler or something. I often don't change my water rooting plants water completely I just have them outside and I'll put the hose one em here and there allowing more fresh water to displace and mix in with the old:tongue:


I hate changing water ever 3 or 4 days:stoned:


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's; Mutations, Crested, Variegated and Lots Of Other Stuff [Re: Dutchy]
    #23772484 - 10/26/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Dutchy said:

Two pics of my graft of a small slice of a Astrophytum Myriostygma Monstruous Cristin on a Myrtillocactus. Out of the center of that slice it seems to grow a mixture of the Astrophytum and the Myrtillocactus.

For months I thought that slice would dry out but suddenly I saw a crack on the upper and center part of the slice and I wondered what would become of it.

Now I hope I have my own chimera. I show you more pics when it has grown bigger.

What do you think of it?






any update on this?


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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks *DELETED* [Re: modern.shaman]
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