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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#27810058 - 06/07/22 07:05 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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modern, that's some wild stuff. Looks like the damn thing is taking!
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: turtle_hermit]
#27822824 - 06/16/22 03:30 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#27826024 - 06/18/22 04:31 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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so the mammillaria hasn't grown any BUT there are new spines that appeared.
The astrophytum has however continued to grow and you can see what appears to be areoles we are about to enter winter but mild so no real frost danger.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#27826107 - 06/18/22 05:25 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder whether they affect eachother's body clocks, and if the pepper's lifespan may increase.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#27827445 - 06/19/22 03:43 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Due to the biomass alone I'd say it will affect the lifespan of the astro/chimera... Regardless I'll keep updating and reattempt this again soon. I'll try with a lophophora.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman] 1
#27842675 - 06/29/22 04:46 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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So the pepper plants seems to accept cacti without much trouble... now the growth rate isn't great however I have some grafts on cacti that are slow as well due to the cool weather so maybe it'll pick up once spring comes in 3 months lol. I did another grafts using a lophophora onto a pepper that is in a pot I can move so I can better capture any growth. I also tried grafting onto a mint but the stem is too small and I had issues fixing it.
Next graft I'll try grafting a pepper onto an opuntia with the bottom exposed so it doesn't root into the cactus but hopefully joins. I wonder if this is a graft or the astrophytum is just adaptive enough to accept the nutrients from the pepper plant regardless of 'comparability'. I wonder if it flowers if it'll be astrophytum or pepper.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#27844835 - 07/01/22 10:44 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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A problem I'm encountering with succulents is possibly due to blunt force. I get a bruising effect when attempting to graft to softer tissues.
Except, with dragonfruit, the woody skeletons send out roots and can be used to graft to the woodier parts of other plants.
I am considering grafting to the cores and roots of columnar cacti.
The mucilage contains fermentable sugars, that make me consider the use of safe fungicides.
But, the stone-eating bacteria (as well as sugars) have led me to use cacti as a 'fuel' for my compost tea.
Agar-like substrates show promise for use in mycology.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#27846175 - 07/02/22 08:35 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The issue with grafting onto the roots of columnar cacti is just the size of the roots. I tried grafting onto mint but its just too flimsy and thin.
I did consider grafting onto orchid roots but being monocots this is near impossible to graft. I grafted a cutting onto a random orchid bulb I had just for the sake of it and it stuck but now is starting to just shrink from lack of nutrients.
I am going to experiment with grafting onto the core rather than top/flat graft since I am space limited a vertical grafting would save space.
I use a 'crude tea' of all my cuttings and dead plants since they all contain plant hormones and antioxidants and nutrients. A compost would be best.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#27846340 - 07/02/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Not sure how 'experimental' people get in mycology.
I, for one, am experimental. 
Thousands of different hormones affect every little process.
But, auxins, or branching hormones, would tend to result from topping a plant.
If applied in the dark, or in a shadow, they may cause roots to form.
Related to algae, pollen, and yeast, when there are countless divisions.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008] 1
#27846407 - 07/02/22 12:10 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Can't wait until spring/summer so I can test a few more idea I have.
Thanks for replying durian I always enjoy these chats on these topics
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#27847504 - 07/03/22 09:50 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know how much to say, because it becomes intellectual property of the site.
All of the scientific references are obviously in the public domain.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#27847931 - 07/03/22 05:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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OK 
I only share things I can't properly monetize but considering most of the information I collected over the year has been public posting or info I'm just regurgitating it back. But you do make a good point
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#27848905 - 07/04/22 10:31 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder whether there is some patent pending, all rights reserved, or trademark kind of thing, I can put on there and relax.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#27849350 - 07/04/22 04:36 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I edited out what might be causing you issues. Whom ever read it knows it now but now its been removed
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#27849422 - 07/04/22 05:42 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Nothing was causing me issues. There was no need to edit. If you come across something economically-useful, I want you to get the credit.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#27850382 - 07/05/22 12:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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All good Thanks for the heads up; I will always double check to see if I should post something or not. I mainly post things I personally don't see as viable marketable material but more hobbyist interest. If someone somehow markets anything I post power to them.
Things I think have marketability I share without giving away my 'secret' but post to share results. If someone ends up figuring it out not a problem to me. I'll share openly and just focus more on my other ideas.
Regardless I do think everyone should experiment with random things that at least have a small chance of success. Almost everything created/invented was from an accident or failed experiment where the person found another application for that outcome. If something happens try to replicate then prefect it. You don't need to share it openly and if you make money doing something you enjoy even better
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#27850988 - 07/05/22 07:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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What is the right thing to do, say you have a patent pending? idk
Here, you would have a visible record with a timestamp.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#27853825 - 07/07/22 05:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The last person who told me he was being watched by satellite was a known schizoid.
earth.nullschool.net-> mode: chem -> overlay: NO2
To prevent NO2 emissions: https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/dutch-farmers-bring-tank-to-fertilizer-protest-cops-shoot-tractor
Teosinte hybrids, called giant maize corn and N-fixation corn, exude a gel from adventitious, aerial, buttress roots, that fixes Nitrogen, temporarily absorbing it from the N cycle.
Blendered Opuntia, Cylindropuntia, the goo from other cacti, and water can be used as a lactofermentable agar substitute or stabilized in a dry form.
The residue or bagasse from the last harvest is also rich in sugars.
In dilution, it can be applied to plants as a spray.
One might expect some of the stone eating bacteria to be transferred as well as N eaters.
For some reason a shortage of urea is reported -- like, where would we get that without Russia?
There were old war stories, where some aggressive invading power steals boxcars of country's topsoil, it is so fertile, as the propaganda goes. Alternatively, fungi and microbes called innoculants can be cultured from only a single spoonful of virgin ground.
Colonies of mycellium around common weeds are oftentimes visible to the naked eye.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#27854413 - 07/08/22 07:30 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Another thing that many people tend to not do are use extracts even if crude of dried harvest or just cut back material. I tend to make crude teas of all my green plant leaves like mint and peppers which they all contain alkaloids and antioxidants. If my other plants are able to absorb and use them after application I'm unsure but reapplying to the same plant will certainly have benefits.
People in cultivation also have an obsession with sterile conditions... while nice for those that need to pass inspections and also want pristine looking material its nice. But pests and diseases are an important part of a plants life cycle and I think many plants that are 'missing' something are missing these 'issues'. Be it UV radiation from only using led, auditory reaction of pests and other stressors from bugs eating plants and others that I am experimenting.
A 200 gram blemish free tomato is very nice to look at and great selling price however nutritional value will likely be less then 80-100 gram slightly damaged tomato grown in full sun that had weeds growing around it and good and bad pests suffered a month long drought and other things.
We have advance many practices to optimize production mass but not exactly nutritional value. Harvest ease and profitability over actual value like nutritional value.
In general it does seem that atleast hobbyists are cycling back around to more natural cultivation see the importance how everything is connected though so that is a good sign. Companion plants, good pests, and other practices.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#27854489 - 07/08/22 08:38 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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modern.shaman said: A 200 gram blemish free tomato is very nice to look at and great selling price however nutritional value will likely be less then 80-100 gram slightly damaged tomato grown in full sun that had weeds growing around it and good and bad pests suffered a month long drought and other things.
On the other hand, some trees with pithy cores will form an internal cambium, if you carefully, forcibly, insert a scion. Feral ornamentals and street trees have already been selected for vigor. It's also an excuse for conservation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superlative_trees
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