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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #16595298 - 07/26/12 07:46 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/03/identifying_tor.html

Just one example.

They also have people who act as exit nodes just sitting there gathering info.





Nowhere mentions a crack.  Sitting on exit nodes and studying traffic has always been a plausable way to pinch people using Tor, but, there is no crack in security.  You realize the US government funded Tor development?  And the US government uses Tor frequently?


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: 36fuckin5] * 1
    #16596558 - 07/26/12 10:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The pedophiles are our canaries in the coal mine. If Tor gets cracked the pedos will be the first to go. Just the the clearnet used to be, the pedo boards are always target #1. I think that as long as they're safe then so are services like SR.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: otaku on shrooms]
    #16600817 - 07/27/12 04:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

imo, stay away from it until you build a solid knowledge base on stuff like that, deep web is not to fucked with. You can get fucked or hacked easily if your dumb.

plus Child porn is everywhere. be careful


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: 36fuckin5] * 1
    #16618389 - 07/30/12 07:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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36fuckin5 said:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/03/identifying_tor.html

Just one example.

They also have people who act as exit nodes just sitting there gathering info.




true, evil exit nodes are one of TOR's biggest weak points. however, SR is a hidden service that exists only inside of the TOR network...accessing it does not require the use of exit nodes, making it immune to that kind of traffic analysis.

edit: also, I should add that I've been using "the road" for a while now, and I've never had any problems whatsoever. it's pretty safe, assuming you aren't an idiot.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16747993 - 08/28/12 12:50 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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If you're that worried chain it with a sock 5 proxy. There's a good tutorial for that on hackbb.




I couldn't find this tutorial on hackbb :frown:
Since theres just 3 pages in the tutorial section I looked through each title one by one looking for anything with "proxy 5".. also looked at the other tutorial section about fraudalents.

Then I searched entire forum for ""sock 5 proxy"" and "+proxy +5".

I found two other proxy tutorials though but one of them you have to download some program that the topic starter has uploaded on rapidshare.. called proxyfire.

The other tutorial uses truecrypt, firewall, virtualbox, ubuntu.. seems really complicated :confused:


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #16755087 - 08/29/12 03:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

check with google for how to setup a Sock5 proxy -- if you're still having trouble post back here with the terms you searched for and I'll fill in the blanks

SR like anything is dependent upon it's weakest link -- so if that is you being stupid then you're in trouble -- take some time to understand the technology before putting your freedom on the line with it


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: indahighcountry]
    #16769970 - 09/01/12 06:43 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Found a sock5 proxy tutorial.. seems there are a few different ones.

Anyways, Is it really needed to have sock5 proxy chained with tor?

What security holes is it that sock5 proxy seals that tor doesnt?

the exit nodes isn't really a problem on silk road?
since it's a site that exists on the tor network.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #16794349 - 09/05/12 06:43 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Think how easy it would be for a cop to see this online, download the stuff, make an account, break open the evidence locker and take a timestamped picture of 1 pound of kush, list it on the Silk Road, and wait.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Epistrophy]
    #16794373 - 09/05/12 06:47 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

A cop?  They wouldnt even get sales in their jurisdiction...  You mean a federal agency right?  They do that kind of stuff already with all drug sales, online or not.  Everybody has thought about this.  It would not be easy for a cop to break into a evidence locker and use that to get arrests across the country or world.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Epistrophy]
    #16794386 - 09/05/12 06:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone in the world can place an order of anything to your address without you knowing. Are you not aware of this? I could find a random address in the White Pages and place an order for heroin to it and no one would ever catch me. That's why they don't do it.

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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Epistrophy]
    #16794633 - 09/05/12 07:34 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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acidhead420 said:
Think how easy it would be for a cop to see this online, download the stuff, make an account, break open the evidence locker and take a timestamped picture of 1 pound of kush, list it on the Silk Road, and wait.



I used to know a guy that said he bought his coke from a cop who stole it like that. It happens a lot more than you'd think. Most of the seized coke ends of getting stolen and resold. It's all cut they replace the coke with for the trial.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Epistrophy]
    #16853677 - 09/15/12 09:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

acidhead420 said:
Think how easy it would be for a cop to see this online, download the stuff, make an account, break open the evidence locker and take a timestamped picture of 1 pound of kush, list it on the Silk Road, and wait.



Thats what the review system prevents...


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16855134 - 09/16/12 08:47 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
Quote:

acidhead420 said:
Think how easy it would be for a cop to see this online, download the stuff, make an account, break open the evidence locker and take a timestamped picture of 1 pound of kush, list it on the Silk Road, and wait.



I used to know a guy that said he bought his coke from a cop who stole it like that. It happens a lot more than you'd think. Most of the seized coke ends of getting stolen and resold. It's all cut they replace the coke with for the trial.




Yeah, if cops sell drugs to average users, they do this illegally and for their own profit, not as part of an investigation. This happens frequently (unsurprising when people have access to free drugs and detailed knowledge of the drug trade), but it's not what we're talking about here. Selling seized drugs to make some extra cash isn't the same as the urban legend of cops walking around asking random people if they want to buy drugs.

You can't get people convicted when you have instigated the crime they have committed yourself. It's illegal and doesn't hold up in court. Cops don't sell you drugs to bust you, they ask if you would sell them drugs to bust you, and this is only done when they already have a very valid suspicion that you are a dealer. A fake sale is a possible final step in an investigation against an already existing drug operation, not a way to create crimes out of thin air. It's important that you do not create the impression that you have compelled people to start selling drugs, but that the sale to you has happened as part of the dealer's usual business.

Think about it from a cop's perspective. You want to show off a large pile of dope to the press and talk about how you busted a million-dollar drug ring, not tell them that you busted a few college students who got high in their free time. Users are busted in hopes that they rat out their dealers to collect additional evidence against these dealers.
There's no point in setting up fake drug rings, because this means you are moving down the supply chain when what you actually want to do is move up to wholesale deals and producers.

The risks of getting busted as an average user in the online drug trade (whether we're talking SR, RCs, ethnobotanicals or any other drug) either lie in the offline world -seized shipments in customs, getting searched with drugs in your possession- or you get busted when a vendor gets raided and the police go through his customer list to expand the case and collect additional evidence against the vendor.
Fake vendors make no sense whatsoever. These exist entirely within the imagination of pothead paranoiacs.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Lizardman]
    #16855637 - 09/16/12 10:56 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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You can't get people convicted when you have instigated the crime they have committed yourself. It's illegal and doesn't hold up in court.




Yes you can.  Entrapment is not a valid defense if the person is predisposed to commit the crime.  If a cop sells you drugs, he can bust you for it unless you have never tried illegal drugs before and he talks you into trying them.


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #16864109 - 09/17/12 05:52 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, entrapment is hard to use anymore. So many judges are anti-drug fanatics and will do almost anything to keep from looking soft on the subject. They are up for reelection every so often. However there have been successful defenses using entrapment. Normally you have to have the conversation recorded where the cop blatantly tries to coerce the defendant into doing it. They will get away with it most of the time.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: otaku on shrooms] * 1
    #16877085 - 09/19/12 08:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

First get yourself the Tor browser bundle and slap it on a USB key.  Get a feel for Tor and also check google for onion sites.  SR has a wiki... the info is all there.  Sure, it's time consuming to get things air tight, but take your time and I personally wouldn't order from SR unless I was in VMWare or using VirtualBox. 

I have an external SSD that I use for Tor, but I go the old route still using polipo.  USB drives are slow as fuck, and the ones with read/write speeds that would be worth it cost as much as a 60gb SSD.  Learn about PGP or GPA, and once you're familiar with one learn the other. ;P 

I'm lucky because a friend actually sells pre-built VM's and makes a killing.  The initial time it took to prepare them was quite a bit but he gets $65 for just the DVD, and then has pricing options for included flash drives, support, and complete setup with username/pw for everything you'd need.  Once it boots Firefox pops up to an HTML guide that walks you through the steps of changing all your passwords.  You'll want Truecrypt for the entire volume if you use it almost 24/7 like I do, and with a decent rig you can easily do AES + Serpent for the entire drive and then create file containers of whatever size you like and use AES, Serpent, and Twofish. 

GPA/PGP require ridiculously long passphrases so I'd recommend PasswordSafe(free @ sourcefourge).  Truecrypt is also free as well.  For instance I have an email that was setup only through this vm and while torified, so I make a dropbox account and create a file container using truecrypt to put my password safe databases in, bitcoin wallet, anything that I cannot lose.  Believe it or not 18mb ended up being too big, but you sync that using your tor-only(and while on tor) with dropbox.  Lastly, you can use truecrypt to constantly sync those databases to flash drive from the VM so you have a hard copy.  To go one step further I have my essential account info, wallet, encryption keys written out in a bitesms text message to myself, which uses AES.  Not bad but definitely waaayyy better than most.  With an SSD you could wipe it in 2-3 seconds tops with BCWipe Total Wipe-Out CD via secure ATA erase. 


Read lots and lots.  People that get into it normally aren't just using the Tor browser bundle on a usb drive key.  With VMWare you can even get in on IRC! I'm fiddling with tails/aos atm since I have an old HDD that could run Linux just fine, and I'd really, really like to have that hardware level gateway that ensures whatever goes or comes is through tor and nothing else.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16959830 - 10/03/12 04:01 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

An exit node can only see traffic that is unencrypted as it is leaving the tor network, on silkroad the tor network is never left, as it is a hidden service, the encryption is end-to-end, and the concept of exit-node does not apply.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Tryptd]
    #16983878 - 10/07/12 12:42 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Any cop wanting to bust people by setting up a vendor account would first have to buy one.  He'd then have to list an item, and if someone purchases it the money goes in escrow(only an idiot would finalize early for an unrated vendor).  So the cop then has to ship the drug(so it would have to be a Federal agent) to the buyer, which I'm not sure if they can.  They would have to get feedback when the buyer gets their product and finalizes the order. 

Buyers are definitely the people that are assuming most of the risk as sellers don't have to reveal anything about themselves, and if they've been smart nothing could be traced to them forensically or electronically.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #16984853 - 10/07/12 03:25 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

^ that is correct but buyers don't take much risk either. The main risk is getting ripped off and a buyer with feedback vs a seller with none the buyer is going to win. Do not sign for anything. That is considered evidence of ordering and a search warrant can execute if you sign. Most sellers do not require a sig and use only dcn's for tracking. When you get your order let it sit in the mailbox a good while, don't be antsy. The cops will be antsy if they are the ones who sent it. After you are sure no one is watching the house, take in the package. If you are super paranoid, take the package to your car and take it elsewhere to open. This makes it hard or impossible to execute a search warrant.

If you buy from a high rated seller with lots of feedback, your risk of ripoff is extremely low as is the risk of a sting because the feedback means the buyers got the goods and liked them. A cop can't allow the buyer to keep and use the goods so they will not get feedback. Fake feedback is a possibility but you can check it out and its easy to spot. Another way to protect yourself is read other buyers comments in the forum.

There is at least one other similar site i know of, called black market reloaded. Do a google and get the onion address. It has a lower profile so there is less chance of le activity on it. I have ordered successfully from both sr and bmr. Actually, its the seller taking most of the risk because he may leave fingerprints on the package or some other mistake that identifies him. The buyer only has to take simple precautions and the fact they are not going to bother buyers of small amounts anyway, they want big buyers who look like dealers or the dealers themselves.


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Re: TOR and the silk road [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #16985466 - 10/07/12 04:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

You might not want to mention any "marketplace" in an open forum.


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