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Ellis Dee
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Arrest proof yourself 1
#16948919 - 10/01/12 09:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I ran across this and thought I'd share.
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Re: Arrest proof yourself [Re: Ellis Dee]
#16961798 - 10/03/12 08:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice!
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Re: Arrest proof yourself [Re: RedSnapper]
#16964282 - 10/04/12 09:31 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lots of good info! Thanks.
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Re: Arrest proof yourself [Re: Jadecrayon]
#16968716 - 10/04/12 10:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jesus F****** Christ this is a spectacular, yet at the same time, a downright terrifying read.
I am going to law school.
IMHO, this should be stickied, or at least included on another sticky.
THANK YOU!
EDIT: Also check this out: http://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Invisible-Essential-Protecting/dp/0312319061/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1349414399&sr=8-2&keywords=arrest+proof+yourself
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Bump
-------------------- "Inspiration ~ Move me brightly ~ light the song with sense and color ~ hold away despair ~ more than this I will not ask ~ faced with mysteries dark and vast ~ statements just seem vain at last" --Jerry Garcia, Terrapin Station "Officer, I'm going to remain silent, and I would like to speak with a lawyer. I'm not resisting, but I don't consent to any searches.
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I've had this book since like 2006-7. It's a really really really good read and some of the best information within is to STAY IN THE SCHOOL and to not "play crew cab".
If you're transporting drugs there is no reason for more than one person to be in a car IMO, period. The charges will be doubled meaning the cost of keeping people quiet and comfortable doubles.
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS drive WITH THE SCHOOL. Cops view themselves (at least this guy does) as sharks and non-violent, minding their own business people as "fish". If you're driving out on the road at night you stand out. If you're drinving in a straight line, doing the speed limit in rush hour traffic you don't.
Your lowest possibility chance of being caught with drugs is in constantly moving rush hour traffic. Bumper to bumper could leave you too vulnerable - especially if you're sitting in sun and your vehicle has odoriferous substances within. All it takes is for someone to smell your transport and call the cops, or for the cops to drive by you.
Don't touch your face when you see the cops. Don't look at the cops when you see the cops, don't look around the the cops in an obvious fashion, honestly you don't need to look around for them at all because it DOESN'T MATTER if they're there or not - you have a much higher chance of drawing their suspicion and then being searched by LOOKING around for them as opposed to just driving appropriately, getting where you're going, and being safe about it.
Not sure if I support paying this guy cash or not. Seems like he's trying to keep people secure in their persons and effects but I know that's not the case. I'd say keep the money from him and DL the pdf - he stole enough money, time, freedom and life from people during his time as a government brutalizer.
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Re: Arrest proof yourself [Re: Humility]
#18027335 - 03/29/13 07:56 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Humility said: I've had this book since like 2006-7. It's a really really really good read and some of the best information within is to STAY IN THE SCHOOL and to not "play crew cab".
What does that mean?
-------------------- "Inspiration ~ Move me brightly ~ light the song with sense and color ~ hold away despair ~ more than this I will not ask ~ faced with mysteries dark and vast ~ statements just seem vain at last" --Jerry Garcia, Terrapin Station "Officer, I'm going to remain silent, and I would like to speak with a lawyer. I'm not resisting, but I don't consent to any searches.
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ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS drive WITH THE SCHOOL. Cops view themselves (at least this guy does) as sharks and non-violent, minding their own business people as "fish". If you're driving out on the road at night you stand out. If you're drinving in a straight line, doing the speed limit in rush hour traffic you don't.
Crew cab is driving around with numerous people in your car. There is no reason why if you're engaged in illegal activity you would have more than 2 people in the car, if that many. The more people in the car the more people that will get hit with charges. Driving with multiple people in a car also makes it more likely that you'll be pulled over because cops figure there is a higher % chance of one of the individuals "doing something illegal".
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Re: Arrest proof yourself [Re: Ellis Dee]
#18066471 - 04/06/13 10:12 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Only five minutes into reading this and I'm already done with it.
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When the car is clean, get it over with and drive on in freedom.
Nope. No way. Even if it means I might have to wait for an officer to get a K9 unit on scene to sniff around my car, there's no way I'm allowing a search of my vehicle even if I'm 100% certain the vehicle is clean.
Also it addresses two responses to an officer asking whether or not you have guns or narcotics in the car. This is a poor example to use in the book since it mentions guns. Some states require to you inform an officer if you are carrying a gun while others do not.
As far as the drugs go, you're not required to give any response. Not yes, not no, not anything. This way if drugs are found from a search you won't be legally liable for telling a lie since you invoked your right to remain silent and not incriminate yourself. You can simply ask if you're free to go.
People are quicker to pass on their rights than they are to exercise them if it means they can save a meager 30-50 minutes of their time. Not me.
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Also, if other folks are on the road with anything you waste the goons time and that prevents him from hassling other folks.
Even if you have nothing in the car at all.
Actually that is a means of acquiring Virtue.
Cops lose Virtue all day long because God says that cops are jackasses.
Their marriages fail because God makes them impotent and their wives frigid.
I am not kidding at all, look at their statistical divorce rates, that pension really isn't worth it, not when the entire community thinks you're a jerk and your wife has decided to become a lesbian.
God punishes cops and other control freaks.
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NewfoundFreedom said: Only five minutes into reading this and I'm already done with it.
Give it a chance. It's a pretty good read. 4.5 star rating on Amazon man... 61 raters. That's pretty good.
-------------------- "Inspiration ~ Move me brightly ~ light the song with sense and color ~ hold away despair ~ more than this I will not ask ~ faced with mysteries dark and vast ~ statements just seem vain at last" --Jerry Garcia, Terrapin Station "Officer, I'm going to remain silent, and I would like to speak with a lawyer. I'm not resisting, but I don't consent to any searches.
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NewfoundFreedom said: Only five minutes into reading this and I'm already done with it.
Give it a chance. It's a pretty good read. 4.5 star rating on Amazon man... 61 raters. That's pretty good.
Ratings don't mean it's sound advice for protecting your constitutional rights. I tried to get into this document but I just can't. Even something as simple as definitions. They're just not precise enough which bothers me.
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PROBABLE CAUSE. This means that it is more likely than not that a crime has already been committed. Police require probable cause to make an arrest.
I also see a lot of contradictory advice and instructions to forego rights if you 'think' you're clean just to get out of a situation quicker.
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Pull over quickly, from the right-hand lane, no matter where you are. Do not keep driving looking for a place to pull over. Police regard this as evasion. If police want you to drive further, they will instruct you through the loudspeaker. For ladies at night, the rules are different. Many women are terrified, with reason, of being stopped by rapists and stalkers impersonating police officers. At night, women should turn on their flashers and drive slowly to a safe, well-lighted place.
Pull over, unless you're a woman, in which case you can wait. As if the LEO will always know the sex of the driver before they see you face to face.
This document over complicates some very simple principles. Just because well versed in the the constitution and your state's constitution.
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The book is written from a certain point of view. It's the authors' opinions of how an average Joe should deal with things to have the least chance to get screwed over. It's not a "know your rights" or freedom fighter guide. It's not a guide for people really involved in serious illegal activity.
That's what makes this book and interesting point of view and a good read. It's well worth the read.
I personally had never given a whole lot of thought to the "electronic plantation" point of view. The authors seem to have some sociology under their belt. I think this text and the issues should really be covered in soc. classes texts.
Interesting stuff to think about. And you have much to learn young grasshopper.
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Re: Arrest proof yourself [Re: fastfred]
#18070989 - 04/07/13 08:34 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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The book is written from a certain point of view.
That goes without saying. All books are.
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It's the authors' opinions of how an average Joe should deal with things to have the least chance to get screwed over. It's not a "know your rights" or freedom fighter guide. It's not a guide for people really involved in serious illegal activity.
The author is an ex-police officer, not a lawyer. I'll stick to taking my advice from legal professionals. I'm not involved in any kind of illegal activity but I'm still prudent about understanding my rights.
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I personally had never given a whole lot of thought to the "electronic plantation" point of view. The authors seem to have some sociology under their belt. I think this text and the issues should really be covered in soc. classes texts.
I'm not familiar with the term "electronic plantation." Sociology is an entirely different subject than the law.
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Interesting stuff to think about. And you have much to learn young grasshopper.
Sure, it's interesting, but it's not legally sound advice for protecting yourself during police encounters. There's always learning to be done but I choose my educational sources carefully and with purpose.
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NewfoundFreedom said: The author is an ex-police officer, not a lawyer.
Actually, he's both. Unfortunately, he still doesn't know the meaning of probable cause.
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Re: Arrest proof yourself [Re: Enlil]
#18073416 - 04/07/13 06:08 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I personally had never given a whole lot of thought to the "electronic plantation" point of view.
Common fare in liberty thought. This concept as I know it is commonly referred to as "new slavery" or "the new slave system", etc.
Whereas slavery was once horribly brutal, murderous torture that was completely above board, new slavery is comfortable, it's "plush", it's full of lies and nationalism, it's full of inculcation. YOU are an American. YOU should be PROUD to be an AMERICAN. You are a GREAT PERSON for where you were born.
This is BULLSHIT. These thoughts however are perpetrated in order to separate us from each other, arbitrarily hate each other and overall to make humans more manipulable on a large scale
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Re: Arrest proof yourself [Re: Humility]
#18075236 - 04/08/13 02:11 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Outright slavery of one race was just replaced by the wage slavery of almost all Americans.
The methods of big business running the country is pretty obvious, but this author does a good job of tying in the prison industrial complex.
It's pretty scary where things are headed. It can't be too much longer before society breaks down.
-------------------- It drinks the alcohol and abstains from the weed or else it gets the hose again. -Chemy The difference between the substances doesn't matter. This is a war on consciousness, on our right to the very essence of what we are. With no control over that, we have no need to speak of freedom or a free society. -fireseed "If we are going to have a war on marijuana, the least we can do is pull the sick and the dying off the battlefield." -Neal Levine (MPP) I find the whole "my drug should be legal but yours should be illegal" mindset disgusting and hypocritical. It's what George Bush and company do when they drink a cocktail and debate the best way to imprison marijuana users. -Diploid
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Re: Arrest proof yourself [Re: fastfred]
#18075426 - 04/08/13 05:00 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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True stuff...
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Common sense tells you the same thing. Honest people work during the day. At night they’re at home asleep. People who work the night shift are at work at night. The only people wandering around, hanging out or driving in areas where there is no shift work are bad guys. Who else could they be? Law-abiding citizens are all at home sawing logs or on their shift stoking the machine.
-------------------- It drinks the alcohol and abstains from the weed or else it gets the hose again. -Chemy The difference between the substances doesn't matter. This is a war on consciousness, on our right to the very essence of what we are. With no control over that, we have no need to speak of freedom or a free society. -fireseed "If we are going to have a war on marijuana, the least we can do is pull the sick and the dying off the battlefield." -Neal Levine (MPP) I find the whole "my drug should be legal but yours should be illegal" mindset disgusting and hypocritical. It's what George Bush and company do when they drink a cocktail and debate the best way to imprison marijuana users. -Diploid
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