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 Effed
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 Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time?  [Re: Peregrin_Took]
#1699068 - 07/09/03 08:05 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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What is Brown Rice Flower?
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 metaophion
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Effed]
#1699133 - 07/09/03 08:52 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Brown Rice Flour (BRF) is just like what it says: A flour (like you make bread with) made out of Brown Rice (preferably organic).
Anyway, I will inject my opinion here: True, the DNA contains the codon for the production N,N-Dimethyltryptamine type compounds, like a great deal of living creatures on this planet (this gene needs mapping!!) all the way from the vegetable kingdom through the reptiles and up to mammals. AFOAF's own personal research into the pharmacodynamics of fungi as chemical synthesis engines has proven the l-tryptophan method to work, but even further down the precursor list of the raw growth factors AFOAF have found that Thiamine HCl (Vitamin B1) when combined with d-Maltose and a source for trace minerals (spring water) not only populates very rapidly but provides comparable synthesis pathways for the production of Indole Alkaloids, and exhibits a superior uptake affinity leaving only trace quantities of un-reacted Thiamine and providing a near complete conversion. When using l-tryptophan significant quantities were found un-reacted although Indole production was higher, leading AFOAF to conclude that environmental situations do affect production factors. AFOAF using lab equipment at a local university and being a chem major did all of the necessary testing to arrive at these conclusions.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Ainasko]
#1699235 - 07/09/03 10:09 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ainasko said:
Actually, it is true. The genetic make-up is stored in the spore. This genetic make-up is commonly known as DNA. The potential of every living creature is decided before birth.
Ummm...yeah. You don't have to lecture me about genetics. I know plenty about genetics.
The fact is that the substrate -will- have some effect on the mushroom, like I said. That's all I said. I'm not talking about optimal yields, here, (and I'm not quite sure where you got the idea that I was;) I'm talking about real yields, which are always less than optimal.
I mean, I might be the son of two 6'4" Norwegians, with genes that would put me at that height, but if I don't get adequate nutrition during my growing phases, I could be dwarfed down to 5'5". Similarly, if your mushrooms are lacking certain nutrients, they certainly could have reduced yields, in terms of mass and/or psilocin/psylocybin content.
Additionally, it is possible to override genetics -- you put too much stress on a rigidity that isn't there. In the above example, I might be destined to be 6'4", but if I'm fed HGH, I could be a 7'+ basketball player. Similarly, if you grow your shrooms on a high-tryptamine substrate, you could get psilocin/psilocybin concentrations far in excess of normal amounts -- but these are unusual and extreme conditions.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Sev]
#1699263 - 07/09/03 10:24 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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We're still agreeing the same thing here. I agree that my statement "...has nothing to do with potency" may be misleading and could have been better phrased as "...little to do...", but the result is the same.
The predetermined genetic code is just that. Predetermined. We, as cultivators, can tweak them a bit, but getting the potency of an azurenscens from a cubensis is just not possible because of the limitations of the cubensis.
Again, I don't think we are disagreeing. We're seeing the same results from different perspectives.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Ainasko]
#1699352 - 07/09/03 11:05 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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If the level of staining in fruits as they dry is a guide of potency (not saying it is nor do I want to involve myself in that old debate) well millet grown leaves BRF shrooms for dead. At least twice as much blue discolouration. Then there's the trip and in a test on a friend who has a BIG tolerance (he'll eat 21 grams cracker dry) he said the millet grown was better. Strain, Golden Teacher. The amount of work in PF cakes is actually more IMO than casing grain and the yield is less.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Starter]
#1701823 - 07/10/03 05:07 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very true! Manners are not my strength - im too lazy for manners.
But you did say: ''The substrate used, for cubensis, has nothing to do with potency. That was decided by genetics' and to say that it has little effect on potency is again incorrect - as Gartz and Bigwood + Beug have demonstrated. I suugest that the cubensis grown on brf have the ability to extract and convert far more precursors than are available, because when the same isolates are grown of millet or manure they are much more potent - significantly = from light blue stains, to dark/ mild to decent potency for cubensis.
Millet will increase the potency of cubensis significantly.
If you disagree, grow them on millet and be converted to the truth.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#1702847 - 07/10/03 01:52 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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well I might as well though my 2 cents in ,I do agree that the genetic make-up is stored in the spore how ever there are alot of things to take into account and that can change them for example the PF tek dosn't have alot of nutrients that's why you get smaller shrooms,aborts and less flushes(for the most part) and anything can change the mushrooms out come like temp,humidty,light and nutrients ect.. these not only changes how many mushrooms grow and how strong they will grow but it dose change the level of potency and you can't over tweak the potency of an azurenscens from a cubensis is just not possible because of the limitations of the cubensis the mushroom has guide lines and you can't no go over them how ever if you give them a perect/good invroment they will go to the best of the guide lines.
so in a few words you are both right like ainasko said
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#1704623 - 07/11/03 12:29 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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BRF IS THE CRAPPEST SUBSTRATE!! IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME GROW CUBIES ON MILLET AND GET BACK TO ME!!
My question still remains then, is the potency from brf THAT bad??
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Peregrin_Took]
#1704710 - 07/11/03 12:54 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm happy with the potency I get from shrooms grown with brf but to each his own I guess.you may be able to tell the difference in potency but brf is still one of the most common teks out there so it can't be all that bad!!!
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Peregrin_Took]
#1704976 - 07/11/03 02:28 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I didn?t experience a noticeable difference from mushrooms grown on BRF or millet.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Anno]
#1705176 - 07/11/03 05:59 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Come on Anno - you've got to be saying that to stir me! 
I could list atleast 20 people who agreed - many of whom suggested that i try millet myself. Bigger yields, chunkier mushrooms and definately better potency than brf.
When i started out i grew the same isolate of tasmanians on brf, manure bulk, millet, and rye grain and the millet babies dried blew all our heads off at half the dose of BRF tassies.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#1705220 - 07/11/03 07:08 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Take two dry grams of cubensis grown with BRF and two grams of dry cubensis grown on millet and it is doubtful one would notice a difference in potency. The difference noted would, likely, be in yield, but let's not argue again.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Ainasko]
#1705250 - 07/11/03 07:48 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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>but let's not argue again.
Why not? 
blue: as i said, I?m not saying it will always be the case, but I didn?t notice a difference.
Perhaps you have a crappy rice in oz ? Was it old and eaten up by the bugs?
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Anno]
#1705265 - 07/11/03 07:57 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Unrelated to the topic, but has Audrey Tautou been in any notable American films?
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Ainasko]
#1705276 - 07/11/03 08:05 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, she has been in notable French films. There are film making nations beside US Americans on the Earth 
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Anno]
#1705281 - 07/11/03 08:10 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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what...... the world does not revolve around us americans now i know your kiding
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Anno]
#1705282 - 07/11/03 08:10 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anno said:
No, she has been in notable French films. There are film making nations beside US Americans on the Earth
I searched the name on Yahoo and noticed she was a French actress. I only asked out of curiosity and was not implying the world revolved around the US.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Ainasko]
#1705297 - 07/11/03 08:20 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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It?s ok, I just wanted to point out that there was a French film industry, in case anybody might not know it.
On a brighter note, she plays in an U.K. film "Dirty Pretty Things" starting next week in the US.
http://www.miramax.com/dirty_pretty_things/
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Anno]
#1705327 - 07/11/03 08:47 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Top is millet grown, bottom is BRF grown.
It's obvious, millet grown stains/darkens more and they only darken further as they dry. Millet also grows them bigger and more meaty than BRF. Like mull, I like booty. Millet gives more food to the unit input. Millet costs less to do. Millet make less mess in the procedure. Millet has less work involved period. What more could you want?
Quality of produce in Oz is excellent. That's a fact.
I use BRF in asian style cooking. Human food grade but it's not as good as millet in my observations. Millet is better and that's the feed back from friends (it's not my imagination) one of which has a BIG tolerance. He chews down 21 grams of millet grown GT in a hit. He smokes only filth and lots of it. Wants the best. No candy tales.
Millet in comparison is HID. I'll try manure when the warm weather comes. But I know BRF is obsolete for mushrooms.
You grow with what gives the results.
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Re: BRF(brown rice flower), A Waste of Time? [Re: Starter]
#1705344 - 07/11/03 08:57 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Again, I was only stating what my observations were.
And, I hope that you are aware that bluing alone doesn?t give a measure about the potency of a mushroom. If you would go by bluing, then P. semilanceata would be an inactive mushroom, which couldn?t be farther from the truth.
I agree on the other points you listed that speak in favor of millet, I use it myself.
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