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Lion
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Re: White Guilt *DELETED* [Re: DieCommie]
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Re: White Guilt [Re: Lion]
#16944116 - 10/01/12 11:05 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fuck all that white guilt nonsense. I will never feel guilty about something I had no part in.
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Asante
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DieCommie said: I consciously fight against my subconscious white guilt and usually win.
Can you give an example of such a struggle?
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Re: White Guilt [Re: Asante]
#16944699 - 10/01/12 12:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sure, when I see a black man arrested in the news my knee jerk reaction is "racist pigs". I catch myself and consciously reject my knee jerk assumption.
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Tripsurfer
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Well I do not think being black is an disadvantage when you are in the music industry.
I guess being Dutch does not give me any meaningful insight into the American side of things. I do know the Dutch were pretty active in shipping slaves from Africa to plantations. Slaves that were often sold by other Africans.
History is filled with slavery, the ancients empires of the Romans and Egyptians thrived on it.
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Summary complete!
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Re: White Guilt [Re: friskie] 1
#16944884 - 10/01/12 01:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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friskie said: Summary complete!
And accurate.
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Asante
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What do you replace the assumption with?
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Re: White Guilt [Re: Asante]
#16945232 - 10/01/12 01:56 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Strongly feel contrary...
Less than one half of one percent of colonial Americans were slave owners and my family did not even enter the states until after slavery had been abolished.
When I get random black people giving me "the look" I just act confused, because I really am confused. Seriously, I haven't done anything wrong, stop looking at me like I just whipped you.
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Re: White Guilt [Re: SWEDEN] 1
#16945262 - 10/01/12 01:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not even from north America originally, was born in South Africa, granted my family moved here when I was only a couple months old so I don't remember shit but still I can't stand when I get accused of racism or profiling just because (and these are the exact words the last chick who did it used) "Your a white pig security guard".
Now I know that not everyone is like this and i've had plenty of great experiences with people of every race. some very very fun . But to be accused of racism or to be expected to feel guilty or give reparations for something that neither me or anyone in my family had anything to do with simply because of the colour of my skin... well... y'know THAT sounds awefully fucking racist to me.
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I am white, I have half black-half white cousins. They are from the north. I am from the south.
I feel that if anyone is educated enough, they can be respected. In my area there are more uneducated black people, than educated.
When I see some hood rat OG gold teeth walking around I think almost every racist remark possible.
When I see some normal black guy walking around I think nothing of it, neither good nor bad.
Maybe that's just the way I was raised, but if you can be educated and be a respectful person you'll be treated in the same manner.
Same goes to the White Ignorant Racist, I'm sure black people think a thing or two about them when they see em.
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Fuck white guilt. I had no hand in the past and I will not feel guilty about what my families history* ever did or any other white person in the past.
If people can't let go of the past nothing will ever change. I am not saying to forget it, I am saying everyone needs to get over it. Holding resentment is poisonous.
Racism is everywhere, I see it in all cultures and ethnic backgrounds, although sometimes I see it a bit more tolerated when non-whites hold that anger and hate under the guise of pride.
* A little bit of my family history (the Boltons)Quote:
A Murdered Slave Trader At Rest In the Elmwood Cemetery In Memphis, Tennessee
This is a photograph that I took of the weathering stature atop the large and ornate headstone of Wade Hampton Bolton in the Elmwood Cemetery in the city of Memphis, Tennessee.
Mr. Bolton was born to John and Mary Lancaster Bolton in North Carolina on December 8, 1812. In 1850, Mr. Bolton, his brother, Isaac Bolton, and cousin, Washington Bolton, formed a business partnership with a Mr. Thomas Dickins. The four-way partnership specialized in the buying and selling of “cotton acclimated” slaves throughout the “Deep South” of the United States. “Cotton acclimated” slaves were those slaves who were physically accustomed to the labor intensive planting and harvesting of cotton. This business partnership lasted until 1857.
In 1857, a Mr. James McMillan of Kentucky sold the unexpired term of apprenticeship of a free black man to Isaac Bolton. Once the term of apprenticeship was completed, the freedman was to be released and allowed to live free. However, Mr. Bolton knowingly sold this freedman to a customer as a “slave for life.” Before he could be handed over to the buyer, the freedman secured the legal assistance of the Frazer and Jones Law Firm of Memphis. His attorneys took Isaac Bolton to court and charged him with the crime of selling a legally free black man back into slavery. The court sided with the freedman and his attorneys and convicted Isaac Bolton of a felony.
The Bolton family lost their reputation as a result of this fiasco. Perhaps to seek some sort of revenge, Wade Bolton summoned Mr. McMillan to Memphis under the presumption that he wished to purchase a slave named “Fancy Boy” for his wife. When McMillan arrived, Isaac Bolton confronted him and demanded a refund for the freedman who he had earlier tried to sell. In the ensuing argument, Isaac Bolton shot and killed McMillan in the family’s office.
Isaac Bolton was tried and acquitted of McMillan’s murder in a highly publicized trial in Memphis in 1857. The acquittal of Bolton came at the expense of the outrage of the public. Mr. Dickins soon became involved in a quarrel with the Boltons over accrued legal expenses and loss of reputation. The quarrel soon became deadly as a man named Mr. Wilson, who worked for Wade Bolton, and a female slave named Nancy, also belonging to Wade Bolton, were both killed.
Soon, the Boltons and Dickins families exchanged a war of words and bullets that lasted throughout the duration of the United States Civil War. On July 14, 1869, Wade Bolton was in downtown Memphis. As he was entering the court square, Dickins approached him, pulled out his pistol, and fired at Bolton, who died nine days later on July 23, 1869.
Dickins was brought to trial for the murder of Wade Bolton but was acquitted. After his acquittal at the end of the 27 day long trial, Dickins openly bragged about getting away with Bolton’s murder; however, Bolton’s family sought vengeance. On July 30, 1870, while outside of the Memphis city limits, Dickins was ambushed and killed by members of the Bolton family…no one was ever brought to trial for his murder. Dickins’ son, Dr. Samuel Dickins, was also murdered near the same spot shortly thereafter. The last will and testament of Wade H. Bolton bequeathed to his son, Seth, “$5,000, provided he lends an assisting hand and helps to defeat the gigantic swindle of old Tom Dickens and his tool, Sarah W. Bolton (widow of his cousin, Washington, who sided with Dickins.) “ Bolton also stated in his will that “I give and bequeath to my niece, Josephine Bolton, now wife of the notorious Dr. Samuel Dickens (the Judas of the family) $5, one sixth of what Judas Iscariot got for betraying the Lord.” Bolton also left $10,000 to the widow of Confederate General Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson.
Ironically, Wade Bolton is buried beside his former business partner and nemesis, Thomas Dickins
Not proud of that tidbit at all, but again, I had nothing to do with it, I will never look at a black man and feel shame.
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Have to pay respect to Minor Threat
No white guilt felt whatsoever.
Actually, I see few advantages in being white. IMO, the race card has been well played. At what point do people simply take responsibility for their own lives and quit being victims of something from a distant past? Time to move forward and stop using crutches. I will even say from my experience, many white people are very open minded, accepting, and tolerant of other cultures and their histories.
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Hell Yeah! Minor Threat!
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Minor threat version is waaay better then alayers imo.
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White. No guilt for the existence of slavery. Acceptance of my "head start" in life as a white middle class male.
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Re: White Guilt [Re: Asante]
#16946364 - 10/01/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: What do you replace the assumption with?
I replace it with no assumption.
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DieCommie
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Re: White Guilt [Re: memes]
#16946368 - 10/01/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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meams said: Acceptance of my "head start" in life as a white middle class male.
As opposed to black and brown middle class males?
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Re: White Guilt [Re: Asante]
#16946462 - 10/01/12 04:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan , I've seen you and pris lock MANY, MANY threads like this, saying people are bringing racism into the pub.
I feel this thread should be locked, like you 2 have locked so many other threads........
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