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OfflineBeefcakemighty
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Re: White Guilt [Re: Asante]
    #16943169 - 10/01/12 07:25 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Slavery is still happening, But I'm not going to be told by someone else I should feel guilty. I stand against slavery because it's wrong.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Beefcakemighty] * 1
    #16943176 - 10/01/12 07:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Beefcakemighty said:

I stand against slavery because it's wrong.





Thats a good reason right there.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Beefcakemighty]
    #16943177 - 10/01/12 07:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I'm white and I can't help that; it's the way I was made.

I don't have anything against any race, period(.)

Also, I wasn't responsible for slavery or Jim Crow Laws; and I will not on my behalf or all white people everywhere will Apologize for something that wasn't my fault.

Thanks for that History Lesson; and it's absolutely funny how the 'History' books portray what happened then.  So then the next time a black person brings up slavery, I can cry to them a bigger tragedy - since My mom's half is Irish.

And let us not forget, the first people that 'OWNDED' the slaves before they got on Boats to come West in the Sugar - Rum - Slave trade were the Black African men who Kidnapped the African Black Slaves in the first place.

So as a Caveat by that same token everyone who is black in the USA should get made at their own Race for selling them off as slaves in the first place!

Now I can be on the black peoples side with the whole Slave Family Heritage!


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Asante]
    #16943179 - 10/01/12 07:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I even know for a fact that my mother's side of the family used to own slaves. I still find the concept of white guilt just plain stupid. It does nothing but perpetuate the idea of blacks as victims and give them some sense of entitlement.

I have no control over what my ancestors did in the past and it's not my job to make reparations for what they did. Couldn't control it then, can't control it now, not my problem.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Gumby]
    #16943198 - 10/01/12 07:34 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

See this poll is for if you personally feel white guilt.  I personally don't
like I would think majority would agree if answering for themselves..

Now if this poll was for... If you believe others have white guilt..
Would it have different results?


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Re: White Guilt *DELETED* [Re: Asante]
    #16943204 - 10/01/12 07:37 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: White Guilt [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16943209 - 10/01/12 07:39 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I don't neccesarily feel too bad :shrug:  all creeds through out history were made slaves at one point or another. Plus the leaders of those black nations at the time sold many of the slaves to the Europeans.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Asante] * 1
    #16943211 - 10/01/12 07:41 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Not at all, but personal morals would be a sound reason to take a stance for a particular matter, and not as much what other people say or do.

I'm pretty sure the VERY few who opted to a mild degree of white guilt in the poll did so based on personal morals, not because someone else said it.

As I said before, while I agree with much of the stance, I'm not led by guilt in the things I do in that regard, so me recommending it to others but not subscribing to it myself would be absurd. Guilt and fear are bad motivations to do something.




My lack of white guilt is not based on my personal morals, however.  It is based more on my ability to think logically and rationally.  Logically in that, guilt in this context would be a useless emotion with no practical benefit.

Also from a health perspective, it is only destructive, since negative emotions bring down not only your mental health, but your physical health as well oftentimes.

I'd rather invest my morality in my actions and do something that will be of some help to someone - something practical - rather than invest it in useless emotions because that's what somebody or society tells me I'm "supposed" to feel in order to be considered a moral person.


But to add to my last post, I really see a lot of inconsistency in the way that society often promotes white guilt, but at the same time there is a general attitude that there will always be problems in life, and we just need to learn to brush them off, move past them and march forward.

For example, someone who is raped, molested, abused, etc., is encouraged to leave behind these memories and work for a better future for themselves, rather than dwell on it.  This is why I see inconsistency in the idea that whites should feel guilty for past slavery.  We all probably have some personal, traumatic experiences that we are trying to move past.  What would be the point of attempting to cope with these problems and leave them in the past if we're just going to look for other problems to disturb our conscience?


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Asante]
    #16943249 - 10/01/12 07:55 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I'm white and don't express much "guilt".

This is due partly to the fact that I'm involved in "white collar" (no pun intended) professions, where I can be passed over for jobs and opportunities simply based on my skin color.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Asante]
    #16943253 - 10/01/12 07:57 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Took a class called Race in Society my first semester of college. Thought those ideas were ridiculous and I still do. I give everyone the same treatment for the same behavior and that's all I can do. I don't feel guilt at all and I'm not giving anyone preferential treatment.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Darwin23]
    #16943317 - 10/01/12 08:24 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I really dislike when african americans play the race card when it really has no validity. That being said, the struggle of inner city african americans gets to me, and I should like to do more to help.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Darwin23]
    #16943347 - 10/01/12 08:33 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I'm irish myself, but fortunately for us we were able to loose the accent and change our names to "pass" as the old saying goes.  So it is true that racism goes beyond black vs. white.

I always though it was insanely ironic how many of my family members are racists.  It demonstrates the cultural norm of marginalizing those who are different, even if the only functional difference is skin color and cultural persuasion.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Old Pokey]
    #16943419 - 10/01/12 09:00 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I chose not white but endorse, BUT I don't say this because I think white people should feel bad about what white people used to do.  I had been recently thinking about this topic, but not just with african americans, with almost every race it seems like.  Acknowledging that fact seems like enough :2cents:

Edit: I should say that if I was white I would feel that way.  I'm the kind of person that always feels really guilty about the worlds problems and such, so that's just my half baked view on this.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #16943449 - 10/01/12 09:10 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I've never owned a slave. I've never known anyone who's owned a slave. I think affirmative action has created a class of victims. Affirmative action treats minorities as if they were incompetent buffoons that are too stupid to exist on their own.

I have no white guilt, and think those that do are unintelligent asswipes.




I agree, and my ancestors who came over from Poland had nothing to do with slavery what so ever.

If any people should feel guilty, are the ones who were involved in the slave trade, and they are all dead.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: qman]
    #16943490 - 10/01/12 09:20 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I have no white guilt because I personally had nothing to do with the slave trade or massacring Indians. People who feel guilty about actions they never committed are crazy in my eyes.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #16943838 - 10/01/12 10:20 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Never did like this concept of white guilt, but its been pushed for quite a while from the sidelines that we(crackas) as a whole should experience this mindset.  As an individual with free will I do not adhere to white guilt because I, personally, did not have anything to do with slavery, I am not racist, and slavery has existed since prostitution.  If I do find myself falling into this self hate thought pattern, I attempt to stamp it out poste-haste.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #16943852 - 10/01/12 10:22 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I'm white, and the term slave comes from the slavic people, which the romans would enslave.

I am told that warring black tribes would capture and sell black slaves for the boats to take away. Considering that warring white tribes did exactly the same thing, I believe this.

I'm opposed to all slavery, but, I can't be that much. Every bit of electronics, be it a USB socket, keyboard or motherboard is manufactured by chinese slaves. Do I feel guilty about their plight, knowing that I am contributing to it? Yes and no. Yes, because if no one bought chinese goods then the slave manufactories would close up.

And no. No, because I did not design the plan to have one factory to supply the world (as Karl Marx suggested (one factory to make all the shoes, one factory to make all the radiators)). I am not the one that authorised subsidies so that manufacturers in my country could build factories in China, and keep on funding them whilst the factories got up to speed. I am not the one working for this fucking beast system that enslaves ALL of us with taxes (taking money by force), mortgages, and terrifying us with its dehumanising agenda.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: lowbrow]
    #16943853 - 10/01/12 10:23 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Never did like this concept of white guilt, but its been pushed for quite a while from the sidelines that we(crackas) as a whole should experience this mindset.  As an individual with free will I do not adhere to white guilt because I, personally, did not have anything to do with slavery, I am not racist, and slavery has existed since prostitution.  If I do find myself falling into this self hate thought pattern, I attempt to stamp it out poste-haste.




Yea its just collectivist bullshit when it really comes down to it.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: Beanhead]
    #16943893 - 10/01/12 10:30 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The idea that someone should feel butthurt because their skin is a different shade than someone else's skin due to genetic variation is fucking ridiculous.


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Re: White Guilt [Re: starfire_xes]
    #16943900 - 10/01/12 10:30 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Subconsciously I have white guilt.  I wish I didnt, but it was hammered into my head all throughout school and it is a mainstream philosophy in America.  I consciously fight against my subconscious white guilt and usually win.  But sometimes its just rears up.


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