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InvisibleMagicalOrangutan
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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: joemolloy]
    #16924919 - 09/28/12 02:59 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
I've done the orange oil extraction numerous times, I've done the older version of A/B (xylene, lye, HCL) numerous times, and I've done the tea and alcohol extractions.  I've taken  up to two grams of mescaline HCL, I've taken up to two grams of mescaline acetate as well as plenty of tea and tar.  I don't believe the A/B extractions are efficient at extracting mescaline.  You throw so much mescaline away.  Take the same material and consume it with a tea or consume its extract with an A/B.  I've done this test many times.  Tea?  Holy fucking shit.  Extraction?  Fucking snoozefest when compared to the power and fury of a tea.  In fact, I don't even think its the other alkaloids that make the difference.  I think its just that boiling water extracts mescaline more efficiently than these other chemical extractions that leave so much behind.




So is the orange oil better/more yielding/easier than the classic lye/acid/xylene extractions?

And I actually might try some cactus at first, and see what it's like, and work my way up to an extraction. But I'm asking about vendors right now. Someone did send me a useful message however.


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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #16924933 - 09/28/12 03:04 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Both teks are equal at sucking.


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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: joemolloy]
    #16924948 - 09/28/12 03:09 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
Both teks are equal at sucking.




Well how 'bout this: I'll try cacti first, then do an extraction on an equal amount of cacti from the same source, and take that a week or two later.

Do you know of any teks that are good for mescaline extraction?


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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #16925050 - 09/28/12 04:04 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

iso tar all the way


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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #16925116 - 09/28/12 04:46 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml

We knew we'd get you to come around to our way of thinking.  We will not tolerate dissent!



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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: joemolloy]
    #16925655 - 09/28/12 08:57 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'd repeat steps 12 -16 a few times to make sure you have all the goodies out, if you use that erowid tek.

Also def go with a bridgesii you will not be disappointed.  I javent tried my p torch so I can't speak for that one just yet.

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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: Kief Ledger]
    #16925864 - 09/28/12 09:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

joe molloy is cool and respected around here for good reason but i disagree. i've eaten 1.5 grams of rather clean no dirty sanchez mescaline and it was alot stronger than eating enough tar to trip like that


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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: FlashLightning]
    #16926031 - 09/28/12 10:25 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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FlashLightning said:
joe molloy is cool and respected around here for good reason but i disagree. i've eaten 1.5 grams of rather clean no dirty sanchez mescaline and it was alot stronger than eating enough tar to trip like that[/quote]

This last sentense is a little confusing.  Of course the extracted mescaline will be more potent by weight!  However if you ate enough tar for the same level trip how could you say one was better?
Were the same amount of cactus used in each?

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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: joemolloy]
    #16926519 - 09/28/12 12:06 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
Both teks are equal at sucking.



lol reinventing the wheel:awesomenod:


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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: Amanita86]
    #16926650 - 09/28/12 12:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Pure synthetic mescaline will be a huge let down if you have tried the full spectrum.  I haven't read in over a decade anyone who prefers mescaline alone, to mescaline with the other alkoids. The trips (to me) are very different. What you are asking is akin to saying you want to buy a Ferrari engine, without the rest of the car. It's not directly analogous, but you get the idea. Pure mescaline, even at 800mgs for me felt like I was just extremely stoned, but experiencing it with a sober mindstate. Hard to describe. I was thoroughly disappointed because it lacked entirely the euphoria and well being. When I first did tea I felt as though I had taken a "natural" low dose of MDMA.

So in case you missed what everyone is trying to tell you: do the full spectrum.

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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: Makaveli]
    #16926882 - 09/28/12 01:15 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

classic my drug is better than your drug mentality. try both and decide yourself


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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: FlashLightning]
    #16926987 - 09/28/12 01:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

True, FlashLightning, there are a (precious) few members who do prefer the purified stuff, especially if it is white crystals.


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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: joemolloy]
    #16927573 - 09/28/12 03:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
I've done the orange oil extraction numerous times, I've done the older version of A/B (xylene, lye, HCL) numerous times, and I've done the tea and alcohol extractions.  I've taken  up to two grams of mescaline HCL, I've taken up to two grams of mescaline acetate as well as plenty of tea and tar.  I don't believe the A/B extractions are efficient at extracting mescaline.  You throw so much mescaline away.  Take the same material and consume it with a tea or consume its extract with an A/B.  I've done this test many times.  Tea?  Holy fucking shit.  Extraction?  Fucking snoozefest when compared to the power and fury of a tea.  In fact, I don't even think its the other alkaloids that make the difference.  I think its just that boiling water extracts mescaline more efficiently than these other chemical extractions that leave so much behind.




Dude what was 2g like holly crap!

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Re: Best shroomery sponsor site for magic cacti [Re: Connoisseur]
    #16927626 - 09/28/12 03:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I have heard that the reason most pulls suck with acetic acid or hcl solution is the water bound up inside the salting solution with the acid pulling gunk first instead of alkaloids. Apparently if you make your solvent anhydrous then gas with anhydrous Hcl it will crash out all the alkaloids in solution. Tregar insists that the gassed stuff is superior in every way to something pulled with acidified water. Phlux has a similar tek that uses a hcl and acetone mix (both anhydrous) to pull the same type of white crystal rain.


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