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nicechrisman
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: intelligentlife]
#16902911 - 09/24/12 02:59 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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nice garden! Love the peyotes! I think I'll be getting one soon.
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: ferrel_human]
#16903556 - 09/24/12 04:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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ferrel, just cut it and bring the cutting and potted section indoors out of rain.
Disaster will be avoided.
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: turtle_hermit]
#16904155 - 09/24/12 06:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's a cut and paste of a bunch of my shit.


















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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: joemolloy]
#16904163 - 09/24/12 06:24 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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nice melted waxes!
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joemolloy
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: nicechrisman]
#16904244 - 09/24/12 06:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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The second to last picture was taken in April. The summer sun started to burn the tips of some of the smaller trichocereus and I had to put a screen over that whole part of the yard. Unless they have a well developed root system, they can't take the full power of the Sonoran sun without damage. In a week or two when the sun finally weakens, I'll remove the screen and do a compare and contrast. I know that they've all grown, especially the bridgesii on the right.
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: joemolloy]
#16911333 - 09/25/12 09:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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So that members from here can see the Trichocereus Bridgesii Giveaway in case you don't check out the marketplace. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16908420
Giveaway has ended.
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: modern.shaman]
#16911569 - 09/25/12 09:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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@ Joemolly your collection is really starting to mature nicely have you had any flowers yet? I cant remember if I have seen any of you posts with flowers or not.
Cheers Got
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: GoOnThen]
#16916543 - 09/26/12 07:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah, no flowers yet. Right now is prime growing season, the mornings are cooler and every cactus tip is dark green early in the day. You can see all the trichocereus pushing themselves skyward. Beautiful, I love them.
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imachavel
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: joemolloy]
#16916808 - 09/26/12 07:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Here's a cut and paste of a bunch of my shit.



















Fucking awesome! Especially the top few. I had peruvian torch that look just like those. Big and beautiful and green. I had 10 to be specific. Then some whore chick from Kentucky came over and threw them all out. Dont know what the fuck she thought she was doing putting her hands on my plants in the first place. Stupid whore said she thought they were weeds. How dumb can you get.
Anyway I went online to get more cuttings. But all the sites that had them said they were sold out. So I ordered seeds. I havent tried sprouting them yet because Ive never planted cactus seeds so Im assuming instead of shoving them in soil in the ground I should put them in a moist wash cloth for two weeks until they sprout? But Im just guessing so I havent done anything yet
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joemolloy
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: imachavel]
#16916879 - 09/26/12 07:55 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Too bad about the Kentucky chick.
Growing from seed sucks. I bought seedlings that I cared for for two years and then I just got sick of watering them and watching them grow in wrong ways. They were long and skinny and just fucking weird. I spent too much time and energy on them for nothing. eBay always has a awesome Peruvian cuttings. Keep checking and you'll see some beauties. Seed takes too many years when you can appreciate a mature cutting immediately. Anyway, maybe I just had bad luck.
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: joemolloy] 1
#16917176 - 09/26/12 08:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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No I agree, seedlings suck. Here is a hint, I think they are supposed to sprout on sand
I bought some peyote seeds one time, and despite what was said about them taking several weeks to sprout, they sprouted in a few days. They looked big and green also. They cost a bit too. So I read they can get over watered easily. So I misted them once every 8 days, and killed them! I over watered them. I had them in full blast summer sun light, if they had dried up I would have been able to tell. They were bright green when they died! So with these if they sprout then Im thinking of putting them in soil thats got a mix of over 50% sand, and then just never watering them. Letting them struggle to root etc. and getting water from just rain. I think itd work. I think itd work well
Otherwise theyll die you said it yourself seeds fucking suck they are lots of work and die easily
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: imachavel]
#16917245 - 09/26/12 08:57 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Full sun is the reason they died. You should keep the seedlings moist at all times not allowing them to dry out and in bright light not full sun.
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: imachavel]
#16917542 - 09/26/12 09:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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imachavel said: No I agree, seedlings suck. Here is a hint, I think they are supposed to sprout on sand
I bought some peyote seeds one time, and despite what was said about them taking several weeks to sprout, they sprouted in a few days. They looked big and green also. They cost a bit too. So I read they can get over watered easily. So I misted them once every 8 days, and killed them! I over watered them. I had them in full blast summer sun light, if they had dried up I would have been able to tell. They were bright green when they died! So with these if they sprout then Im thinking of putting them in soil thats got a mix of over 50% sand, and then just never watering them. Letting them struggle to root etc. and getting water from just rain. I think itd work. I think itd work well
Otherwise theyll die you said it yourself seeds fucking suck they are lots of work and die easily
You could not have got your seed raising technique any more wrong
As modern said no direct sun and high humidity or constant misting / water
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: imachavel]
#16919270 - 09/27/12 08:08 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Full sun is a big no no for sure and they got cooked. I've been experimenting with different levels of exposure to water and they don't require nearly as much as I've traditionally been told but you definitely took a wrong turn by only giving them water once every 8 days. It's best to keep at least some low ambient humidity around them but I tend to leave my containers open so they get fresh air all day and I just mist them twice daily. YMMV of course but they are thriving over here at the moment.
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imachavel
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: SuperD]
#16919553 - 09/27/12 09:20 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seems to be the concensus around here. Strange, because when they are adults being in full sun for two months with no water seems to just make them stronger. And when the pups sprouted they got bright green in the sun as though they were loving it. I guess I couldnt have been more wrong. Thanks for the advice, now I know what to do differently.
Strange, they sprout in the desert in harsh sun light conditions in seasons it may only rain once a month. Any idea how old/tall they have to be after rooting before they can start handling full sun? Thanks
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: imachavel]
#16919840 - 09/27/12 10:36 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mistakes are all part of the game There isn't a single poster here who has never killed some of their seedlings and/or collection I guarantee you. The best teacher is definitely experience and even if you screw up again, at least it will be a different screw up.
We have to keep in mind when we're comparing seedlings to full grown adults that they can't handle the same conditions, if all other things are equal. We as adults might enjoy a nice juicy steak for dinner but can you imagine a newborn infant trying to digest a steak? I'd be willing to bet it would require medical attention but I'm no doctor.
My point is adults can tolerate things that the seedlings cannot, and full sun is definitely one of those things. If you notice in the majority of wild loph pics, they are situated somewhere near some shade of some type, even if it's just light being filtered through the branches of a bush above them. Most seedlings in the wild simply do not live past a few days/weeks and what you see left over are the toughest of the tough that made it.
I can't speak from personal experience about how old they need to be before being placed in full sun but perhaps ferrel will come around and answer that since he has a lot of them hard grown like that. I find putting them in my greenhouse gives them perfect but not too harsh conditions to thrive in. They LOVE the heat in the greenhouse and love the slightly filtered light the GH cover offers them. If I were to place them outside of the GH they might survive but I've kept them so long now, I'm not willing to take chances unless it's with a new set of seedlings I'm raising.
The bottom line to all of this is you should keep your seedlings out of full sun for quite some time. Underneath a brightly lit porch/patio cover would work well. The idea is you want bright light but not scorching bright under full sun. If your climate is humid enough you can get away without having to cover them to retain humidity but again this varies with location. In my loc, I can leave the seedling containers wide open all day and night and only mist twice daily and they thrive in those conditions but as I said before YMMV and you'll likely want to play it safe and keep them in a closed environment that is capable of retaining some ambient humidity at all times. Once you've dialed in on the perfect conditions to keep your seedlings alive longer than a few weeks, you can branch out from that if you want and experiment with different setups.
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: SuperD]
#16920884 - 09/27/12 02:24 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great advice
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: imachavel]
#16923953 - 09/27/12 10:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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just bought a mini green house and some 70% shade cloth. it's a 6 foot tall green house with 6 shelves that can hold 2 large trays each shelf. each tray should be able to germinate and hold 100 cacti so that should be 1200 seedlings if i want! 
seedlings definitely require much more patience than a log. i'm really enjoying them just as much as much cuttings if not more.
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: imachavel]
#16925425 - 09/28/12 07:25 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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imachavel said: adults being in full sun for two months with no water seems to just make them stronger. And when the pups sprouted they got bright green in the sun as though they were loving it.
this is wrong. they don't love full sun, not as adults or babies. and BRIGHT green is bad. they don't get full harsh desert sun in the andes mountains. a rich to dark deep green color is what you want to achieve in a san pedro
honestly i see over exposure to sun a lot on here. here is a good reference of what too much sun looks like compared to good healthy partial shade grown specimens (not mine)
FULL SUN = BAD, LIME BRIGHT GREEN CACTUS

PARTIAL SUN = GOOD AND HAPPY DARK GREEN CACTUS
heres another pic, close up of the new tips on the healthy green plants. really like this pic, wonder if the blue/purple indicates mescaline content? 
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imachavel said:
Strange, they sprout in the desert in harsh sun light conditions in seasons it may only rain once a month.
have you seen pics of the andes mountains? what desert?
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imachavel said: Any idea how old/tall they have to be after rooting before they can start handling full sun? Thanks
they should never be put in full sun
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Edited by FlashLightning (09/28/12 07:44 AM)
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Re: Official Thread for Cacti That Don't Need a Separate Thread [Re: FlashLightning]
#16925536 - 09/28/12 08:17 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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That looks more like a cereus spp in the last pic, the ribs are way too thin on the adult stalks in my own humble opinion but I admit I'm not a complete expert on tricho IDs just yet.
Regardless, I fully agree that full sun for lophophora is really a bad idea under all circumstances unless you really want to put your specimens to the test. Ferrel gets away with doing it, hell I've done it myself with seedlings that are 2 years old but I still wouldn't recommend it unless you know what you're doing and are willing to accept the fact that a lot of them might not survive a full season.
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