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If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ???
    #16923591 - 09/27/12 09:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

ok so my little brother is a young adult and has a friend that my brother is  considering fronting up $5,000 so the friend can buy a pound of molls/mdma. the plan is the friend gets rid of the molly gets my brother 5,000 back very quick and the they split the rest.

Now i know this is illegal but not sure how to talk him out of it ....


1. my brother and this guy have  grown up together and they deal a little bud but thats all he is in school.
2.would it be hard to prove my brother gave him the money for illegal use in court???

3.what are charges he is looking at ?


my brother thinks its safe because he says if he gets caught he can just say he didnt know that ,that is what the money was being used for an according to him isnt illegal to loan money and it would be hard to prove in court ...


i say no what do you guys think i want to talk him out of it he is only 19.

he has the 5 grand from an army med discharge ..
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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16923819 - 09/27/12 10:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"The federal penalty for first-offense sale of small amounts of Schedule I and II drugs is not less than five years/not more than 40 years; if death or serious injury, not less than 20 years or more than life; fine of not more than $2 million individual/$5 million other than individual."
http://www.aamu.edu/Admissions/fincialaid/importantinformation/Pages/Drug-Penalties-and-Enforcement.aspx

Five years? For a few thousand bucks? Those numbers don't add up to me. In that time you could go to school, get a four-year degree, work a year in an entry-level job making 30k/year and still come out ahead.

I wouldn't take that kind of risk for less than USD $500k--at least $100k/year for each potential year of incarceration, and probably more like USD $2-5M.


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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #16924102 - 09/27/12 11:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's a bad idea just from an economic standpoint, never mind the legal risk. Having that much product, that is dosed in milligrams, requires a few people to move it. 453.6 grams. Think about how many people would be in on that.  That's a lot of people  in between getting the supply and then processing it. Is he selling it pure? is he mixing it with binders and then selling it as pills ( that'll add weight and therefore, more legal risk, I believe)? Basically, if he does this, all he's doing is diluting his potential profit by taking his own money and then distributing the  potential profits of his initial investment among more people.

Honestly, I think he should look into easier alternatives. Maybe stocks. Hell, if you're gonna be a criminal of some sort, be one that doesn't face jail time. Hell, 5k is a really good amount of money. you could buy tools, books on repairing small appliances or something, start a small time, informal business and still have enough to buy a head stash of any drug that you'd like.
Honestly, I think it's a short term goal that squanders the potential that having a decent sum of money entails. It's not the amount of money that you get, but sustainability of income that matters.

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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: Haffenreffer]
    #16924493 - 09/28/12 12:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

it's a felony conspiracy.

basically if there was some record of the two discussing the arrangement like a paper trail, wire recording, text messages, OR if the seller was willing to provide testimony to the person that financed the operation, your brother could be convicted on some serious shit.

but if the deal was discussed privately one time and one time only, and your brother said here is your 5 g's, don't ever talk about this on the phone to me, don't call me with progress reports, updates, statuses on the outstanding balance, just give me a ring and ask to come over when you have my money in its full amount, then your brother would have gone a long way towards protecting himself legally.

deals like this only work if your brother has the 5k to spare and wouldn't be upset if the plan failed and he never saw even a cent of it paid back.


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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: Haffenreffer]
    #16924538 - 09/28/12 12:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Haffenreffer said:
  It's not the amount of money that you get, but sustainability of income that matters.




That is only true if you need an infinite amount of money... at some point you should be able to say I have enough. If not you are just plain greedy and in my opinion a big part of whats wrong with society today. Now will most of us ever have enough to be comfortable for the rest of our days and maybe enough for our children to never worry? Probably not but that is beside the point. How many hundreds of millions does any one family need?

As for the OPs original question the likelyhood of this working out well is probably slim. It is a big jump from selling a little weed to quickly and profitably moving a pound of MDMA. I doubt his friend is really ready for that business. Hard drug dealers usually don't last as long as dedicated cannabis dealers. If your lil brother keeps his grubby little paws off of the molly, meaning he takes no part in helping sell it I doubt he runs much legal risk in the situation. If the friend does get busted I suspect they would be more interested in who he got the molly from than where he got his working capital. He could have been working on a front from the dealer for all they know. So legally I think he is pretty safe just fronting the money and letting the friend do ALL of the dealing. That means every bit of it. Lil bro shouldn't even be letting anyone know he can hook them up with someone selling molly, but I doubt it would go down like that. If he is already selling weed he will probably want to help sell the molly as well. If he can keep his involvement strictly to fronting the money this one time he should be pretty safe legally though there is the possibility he could catch conspiracy charges or more if the friend goes down and won't keep his mouth shut. The first thing to determine is who else already knows about this little plan. If it is just the three of you exclusively he is more likely to be safe legally. If they already have a circle of people anticipating the arrival of some molly the chances of him catching legal troubles have already jumped significantly.

I think the larger risk in this situation is financial. First the dude has to actually get the product. That is the first chance he loses all the money. Then its got to be broken down/stored/sold. I would be surprised if he quickly got back his $5k. Then again an enterprising individual with a lot of partying college age friends could definitely do it. Then the concern becomes getting addicted to fast easy money if it does all work out. That kind of shit is really where you need to make your money in a few short months and call it quits.

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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #16926137 - 09/28/12 10:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

thank you I just didnt know how to put it into words from one brother to another other than your a retard dont do that it wont work you will go to jail or screwed out of that money .. thank you all so much ..

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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16938326 - 09/30/12 01:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The crime your little brother would be committing is conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance.  It's a pretty serious crime and I would expect he would get 3 - 5 years if convicted of that.

Sounds like a bad idea because it is very likely the mdma would be bunk or impure.  People that don't sell molly regularly probably can't get a pound of pure mdma.

His greatest risk would be that his friend gets caught with a decent amount, is threatened with 20 years in prison, and rolls over on your brother to reduce his charges.  Given the possible charges, this is a big risk.

Conspiracy charges are rather difficult to defend against in court.  Many people have been convicted of drug conspiricies even though there is 0 drug evidence - just other peoples testimony.

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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #16950898 - 10/02/12 09:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I talked him into buying this old 65 gto with me using the money to fixx it up then sell it .

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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16951815 - 10/02/12 01:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I talked him into buying this old 65 gto with me using the money to fixx it up then sell it .




Nice car man... Life is the sumation of experiences and that's a great memory you two can treasure forever

Best of luck to ya! You made the right choice

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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: trip352]
    #16961613 - 10/03/12 08:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yeah he just wants money im gonna show him hard work is the best way


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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: skuzzy1232]
    #17101530 - 10/25/12 07:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Even if it were perfectly legal it would still be a shitty investment. Any time I've ever invested in friends, I've never seen the money again, especially when it's a large amount.  So you're risking incarceration so that you can LOSE money... You're supposed to take risks for rewards.


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Re: If you give someone money so they can sell drugs and give you money legal ramifications ??? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #17107689 - 10/26/12 06:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hey I wana update to this car man don't forget :p

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