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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
    #16919422 - 09/27/12 08:50 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You may have been spending too much time with hippies.  Might as well ask a cow if it would please morph into a horse.


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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #16919822 - 09/27/12 10:32 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

:ohyou:

We should talk about boletes more often. That paper was a fun read Alan. Thanks.


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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
    #16921423 - 09/27/12 03:46 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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TimmiT said:
Stop listening to the boletes... they're full of shit.

:flyingpig:



How they'd smack you if they could... :wink:



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Nature is begging for your interaction with her. If this is the way she has to prove to you she's listening, then so be it. You want psychoactive boletes? Just ask and it shall be granted. Ask loftily my friends.



They can. Just ask them to smack him and they will...


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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #16921539 - 09/27/12 04:03 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I think Arora's narrative says the mushrooms are psychoactive raw, but not when cooked.  And that undercooked mushrooms from the markets sometimes cause hallucinations.



He does also suggest that just cooking them a little may make them active in the Further Research section.

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I think that is usually what happens during dreams...



Yes, I also had a problem with this. It's ambiguous as to whether he's describing a dream or a dream-like state. It doesn't sound unlikely that Heim just fell asleep at some point after consuming the Boletus and attributed his dreams to the mushroom. Such an ambiguous report leads me to suspect that Heim may have been subject to confirmation bias and the general placebo effect.

Also his testing doesn't make sense. He took less than 60mg of B. Manicus on three occasions with no effect. (What a bizarrely small amount of mushroom to consume!) Then upped his does to an undisclosed amount (this time we're told it's powdered), reports some 'fleeting visions' and then never repeats the experiments!?

WTF Heim, sort yourself out!


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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: User_7]
    #16921730 - 09/27/12 04:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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User_7 said:
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Hashfinger said:
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TimmiT said:
Stop listening to the boletes... they're full of shit.

:flyingpig:



How they'd smack you if they could... :wink:



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Hashfinger said:
Nature is begging for your interaction with her. If this is the way she has to prove to you she's listening, then so be it. You want psychoactive boletes? Just ask and it shall be granted. Ask loftily my friends.



They can. Just ask them to smack him and they will...



TimmmiT is going to find psychoactive boletes this year.


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