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 Hashfinger
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 Psychoactive Bolete? 
#16915497 - 09/26/12 04:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay so I was out hunting for weilii and caerulescens today (working on getting used to which is which, and trying to identify macroscopic characteristics that are different between the two) and I found these crazy looking boletes. They were found in an area I had scoped for prime weilii territory. Loblolly and sweetgums everywhere, a clearcut swathe through a forest, with crabgrass. Anyway, I thought I found some weilii at first glance, because of the cap shape size and color, and the way they were growing tightly clustered just like weilii. Anyway, I picked a few and was shocked. They bruised blue (i know boletes bruise blue) within the first second I touched them. A slice of the cap with my knife revealed yellow flesh reacting blue faster than anything ive ever seen. Faster than weilii themselves. Anyway, I have found bluing boletes, and noticed that when you slice them, they blue slowly, and the blue sticks around until you cook them. These turned blue really fast, then the blue disappears and is just a brownish stain after maybe 30 minutes. Anyway, I was doing research on psychoactive boletes, and from my research, a lot of different mushrooms can gain psychoactivity due to the climate and medium they are growing from. Seeing as how this has been documented to happen with boletes, and that I found them right where I was expecting to find weilii. Also, notice how similar they look to weilii. Very psilocybian. Wavy undulate margins, bluing obviously, very pleasant farinaceous scent, no bad or bitter taste, growing clustered, and the stems had a fluccuose(?) zone at the base. White hairy shit on stems.
     
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(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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fliped
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16915541 - 09/26/12 04:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do not know a whole lot about boletes. Some do stain blue but it is not anything to do with it being active. I believe these may be poisionus but i am not to informed on this speicies as I said. Regardless cool to look at. Im sure you will get some better info shortly.
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Hashfinger
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: fliped]
#16915575 - 09/26/12 04:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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fliped said:
Do not know a whole lot about boletes. Some do stain blue but it is not anything to do with it being active. I believe these may be poisionus but i am not to informed on this speicies as I said. Regardless cool to look at. Im sure you will get some better info shortly.
Yeah like I said, a lot of boletes bruise blue, but the way this one reacted so quickly, then all blue disappeared is strange
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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus
(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Joie
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16915615 - 09/26/12 04:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Check http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Boletus_rubripes.html and similar as mentioned under Comments. Look for those which blue "erratically".
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User_7
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16915656 - 09/26/12 04:49 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyway, I was doing research on psychoactive boletes, and from my research, a lot of different mushrooms can gain psychoactivity due to the climate and medium they are growing from.
I should imagine that any sources which documented inactive mushrooms occasionally gaining psychoactivity are much more speculative/subjective than scientific and should therefore be subject to scepticism. Perhaps you could cite some documents for us from your research?
The activity of Boletus manicus seemed very questionable to me when I attempted to investigate it and it is to my knowledge the strongest case for Bolete-Psycoactivity.
In an case I'm sure the mushroom's resemblance (in your eyes) to P. weilii is entirely irrelevant.
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Seeing as how this has been documented to happen with boletes, and that I found them right where I was expecting to find weilii. Also, notice how similar they look to weilii. Very psilocybian. Wavy undulate margins, bluing obviously, very pleasant farinaceous scent, no bad or bitter taste, growing clustered, and the stems had a fluccuose(?) zone at the base. White hairy shit on stems.
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 maynardjameskeenan
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: User_7]
#16915687 - 09/26/12 04:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychoactive Boletus are only known to grow in Papua New Guinea. The chemical found in them is stronger than LSD.
boletus manicus
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Ganzig
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maynardjameskeenan said:
Psychoactive Boletus are only known to grow in Papua New Guinea. The chemical found in them is stronger than LSD.
boletus manicus
Whoa. That is rad.
Who wants to find them with me? Those look a lot like the edulis.
Strange to me that no one has popped over to check it out.
All those in Australia should head over. Lemme know what you find.
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User_7
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maynardjameskeenan said:
Psychoactive Boletus are only known to grow in Papua New Guinea. The chemical found in them is stronger than LSD.
boletus manicus
The chemicals in it are unknown and might not even be active. The conclusion that they must be more potent than LSD is simply derived from unknown indoles being detected at trace amounts and speculative reports of Boletus manicus's psychoactivity. There have been no confirmed Boletus manicus trips and no contemporary analysis of the mushroom as far as I know. Feel free to correct me with a source.
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Hashfinger
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: User_7]
#16915784 - 09/26/12 05:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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User_7 said:
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maynardjameskeenan said:
Psychoactive Boletus are only known to grow in Papua New Guinea. The chemical found in them is stronger than LSD.
boletus manicus
The chemicals in it are unknown and might not even be active. The conclusion that they must be more potent than LSD is simply derived from unknown indoles being detected at trace amounts and speculative reports of Boletus manicus's psychoactivity. There have been no confirmed Boletus manicus trips and no contemporary analysis of the mushroom as far as I know. Feel free to correct me with a source.
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User_7 said:
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Anyway, I was doing research on psychoactive boletes, and from my research, a lot of different mushrooms can gain psychoactivity due to the climate and medium they are growing from.
I should imagine that any sources which documented inactive mushrooms occasionally gaining psychoactivity are much more speculative/subjective than scientific and should therefore be subject to scepticism. Perhaps you could cite some documents for us from your research?
The activity of Boletus manicus seemed very questionable to me when I attempted to investigate it and it is to my knowledge the strongest case for Bolete-Psycoactivity.
In an case I'm sure the mushroom's resemblance (in your eyes) to P. weilii is entirely irrelevant.
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Seeing as how this has been documented to happen with boletes, and that I found them right where I was expecting to find weilii. Also, notice how similar they look to weilii. Very psilocybian. Wavy undulate margins, bluing obviously, very pleasant farinaceous scent, no bad or bitter taste, growing clustered, and the stems had a fluccuose(?) zone at the base. White hairy shit on stems.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9428717
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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus
(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16915818 - 09/26/12 05:15 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said:
Okay so I was out hunting for weilii and caerulescens today (working on getting used to which is which, and trying to identify macroscopic characteristics that are different between the two)
They are the same.
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and I found these crazy looking boletes.
Yes they are interesting. Did you check the KOH reaction? What kind of trees were nearby?
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Anyway, I picked a few and was shocked. They bruised blue (i know boletes bruise blue) within the first second I touched them. A slice of the cap with my knife revealed yellow flesh reacting blue faster than anything ive ever seen. Faster than weilii themselves.
http://mushroomobserver.org/47773
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Anyway, I was doing research on psychoactive boletes, and from my research, a lot of different mushrooms can gain psychoactivity due to the climate and medium they are growing from.
Your research might not be very good.
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Seeing as how this has been documented to happen with boletes
No!
Where?
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and that I found them right where I was expecting to find weilii.
Oh really?
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Also, notice how similar they look to weilii.
Your Boletus does not look anything like Psilocybe weilii.
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Very psilocybian.
Your Boletus does not look psilocybian.
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Wavy undulate margins, bluing obviously, very pleasant farinaceous scent, no bad or bitter taste, growing clustered, and the stems had a fluccuose(?) zone at the base. White hairy shit on stems.
No.
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maynardjameskeenan said:
Papua New Guinea. The chemical found in them is stronger than LSD.
boletus manicus
BS.
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User_7
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16915844 - 09/26/12 05:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've read that. It's interesting and I'd love for it to be true. All I can really say about it however is there are always odd cases where people report something out of the blue. Who knows what else those two people could have done to alter their perception. And people can be very sensitive to the Placebo effect...
Edit: That's what I mean subjective/speculative. They experienced subjective effects, i.e. effects that can't be absolutely measured or definied and they speculated that the mushroom caused the, but who knows what caused them or if they just Placebo-ed it out of thin air!?
Without a larger number of Bolete trips I think such isolated incidences should be treated as the inevitable miss-attributed cases that a sample size as large as the internet will draw.
Edited by User_7 (09/26/12 05:24 PM)
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User_7
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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maynardjameskeenan said:
Papua New Guinea. The chemical found in them is stronger than LSD.
boletus manicus
BS.
Please tell me that stands for Bull Shit... You're on my side right Alan!?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: User_7]
#16915855 - 09/26/12 05:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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User_7 said:
Please tell me that stands for Bull Shit...
Yes, except for http://davidarora.com/uploads/xiao_ren_ren.pdf
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Hashfinger
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16915927 - 09/26/12 05:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus
(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Hashfinger
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16915949 - 09/26/12 05:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where can I get KOH and what will that tell me?
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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus
(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16915950 - 09/26/12 05:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is this under hardwood or conifer?
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User_7
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Yes, except for http://davidarora.com/uploads/xiao_ren_ren.pdf
That's interesting, thanks - there's hope yet for the psychoactive Boletes!
I just found this thread on Boletus Manicus by the way, I think what mjshroomer and Wiccan_Seeker had to say was sensible.
Edit: Just realised I forgot to actually post the link  here it is:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2889976
Edited by User_7 (09/27/12 02:47 AM)
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: Hashfinger]
#16915959 - 09/26/12 05:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said:
Where can I get KOH and what will that tell me?
You mean Potassium Hydroxide?
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Hashfinger
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Is this under hardwood or conifer?
Both. Pinus taeda (loblolly pine) and Liquidambar styraciflua (sweetgum). Also a few birch, oak, and maple. They also had some random Sycamores planted which I thought might explain strange fungus being there.
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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus
(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Hashfinger
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Re: Psychoactive Bolete? [Re: User_7]
#16915977 - 09/26/12 05:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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User_7 said:
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Hashfinger said:
Where can I get KOH and what will that tell me?
You mean Potassium Hydroxide?
No i mean KOH. You can just type it like that and people will know what you mean. Jerk.  Kidding. But yeah, I know what it is from chemistry, but will is it used to detect psilocybin or what?
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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus
(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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