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The problem is not google. The problem is people making claims and not being able to back them up.
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 Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!!  [Re: MAIA]
#1693607 - 07/07/03 03:29 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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well, i dont really care about backing up my claims, ive read that koan numerous times from numerous sources, i dont have any of the books on hand, and i really dont give a fuck if some pseudo-intellectual doesnt believe me.
edit--if someone thinks every little bit of knowledge can be found and verified through google, then I pity that poor poor soul.
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Normally the pseudo-intellectual is the one not being able to back up its claims, that's the real pity.
Google is an internet searching engine, so it hasn't real knowledge, it searches for it faster than you can do it on a library, it's just an information hound you know. Now i come up with a question for you, where can you find the most complete compilation of knowledge in one place ?
If you're reading this you're really hot 
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Edited by Xibalba (09/30/05 12:51 AM)
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Xibalba]
#1694353 - 07/07/03 07:53 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Xibalba said:
The 'Zeno's arrow' paradox is false because the resolution of the universe is finite.
The last .000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 second of the arrow's flight- or of your life- cannot be subdivided.
It definitely poses a lot of interesting questions. It could be taken as an argument for or against quantum time and space, (not quantum physics, which is something different,) depending on the logic you apply to it. I'd take it as an argument for the existance of quantum space -- that being that the resolution of the universe -is- finite, that there is a smallest unit that you can traverse. Of course, this causes its own host of problems...
...Really great stuff to think about when you're really stoned. %)
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Xibalba]
#1694952 - 07/07/03 11:12 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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The 'Zeno's arrow' paradox is false because the resolution of the universe is finite.
how do you know this? how can you know?
logically, in order to confirm that the universe has finite resolution, you would need an instrument capable of infinite resolution
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: infidelGOD]
#1695045 - 07/07/03 11:46 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by Xibalba (09/30/05 12:50 AM)
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Xibalba]
#1695124 - 07/08/03 12:05 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes but the Planck length isn't a real structure. it doesn't say anything about real resolution nor does it preclude the existence of smaller things
I think the question is bigger than quantan mechanics and it can't really be answered with mathematics without running into theoretical "limits".
does the universe have infinite resolution?
I think the question is unanswerable.
I tend to think that yes it does have infinite resolution but of course that's impossible to prove. it's also impossible to actually prove finite resolution.
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: infidelGOD]
#1695220 - 07/08/03 12:48 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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human life is constant war, and it will stay that way until either the greedy creeps, or the intelligent compassionates win.
so grab your mind-guns and start killing as many zombies as you can before its too late.
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 Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: infidelGOD]
#1695317 - 07/08/03 01:37 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by Xibalba (09/30/05 12:50 AM)
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: infidelGOD]
#1695372 - 07/08/03 02:02 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the question is bigger than quantan mechanics and it can't really be answered with mathematics without running into theoretical "limits".
Exactly. Zeno's paradox was a real mystery to the ancient greeks, because they didn't know about differential calculus. They thought that being in motion and being located in one specific place should somehow be mutually exclusive, but the arrow paradox showed that they could both be true at the same time. We didn't have a working definition of "momentary speed" until Newton and Leibniz introduced time derivatives. That took care of Zeno's paradox.
But instead mathematicians started to worry about what it meant to divide an infinitely small number by another infinitely small number. How was that different from dividing zero by zero? That wasn't solved until we got the theory of real numbers as limits of rational numbers (Dedekind cuts).
Then everything was okay for a while, until logicians began to explore the properties of the set of all real numbers, the continuum. That led to problems with the definition of mathematical existence, but was solved by the invention of axiomatic number theory, where all truths were derived through logic conclusions from a finite set of axioms.
Then G?del came along and proved, using the tools of this theory, that there would always be additional mathematical statements that can't be proven without adding them as new axioms. And then you have the choice of adding either the statement or its negation as the new axiom. It never stops since there is an endless supply of such statements.
And that is probably not the end of the story...
This may be kind of OT for the thread, but I think the history of mathematical paradoxes illuminates the boundaries of human knowledge in an interesting way.
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Rhizoid]
#1697009 - 07/08/03 04:41 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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This may be kind of OT for the thread, but I think the history of mathematical paradoxes illuminates the boundaries of human knowledge in an interesting way.
It certainly does, excellent exposition.
I support those ideas but my problem is, how can you apply such mathematical conclusions to an inderteminate object as psychic phenomena ?
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Rhizoid]
#1698181 - 07/09/03 12:17 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the history of mathematical paradoxes illuminates the boundaries of human knowledge in an interesting way.
isn't it interesting how all the mathematical paradoxes of the past have been the result of incomplete understanding? when we encounter a paradox, it's telling us "no, you're going about it wrong way, start over"
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: MAIA]
#1699066 - 07/09/03 08:03 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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how can you apply such mathematical conclusions to an inderteminate object as psychic phenomena ?
Well, to me the message from all these mathematical subtleties is loud and clear: the very concept of infinity is broken. Even in non-mathematical contexts, I think infinity should only be used as a metaphor for some open-ended categories that we don't yet understand, and perhaps can't understand. When we talk about infinity in the same way as we talk about fully specified categories, we run into trouble sooner or later.
Applied to the subdivisions of time, the conclusion is that when talking about an infinite number of subdivisions we should take it as a metaphor for an open-ended process of subdividing into smaller and smaller intervals.
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Rhizoid]
#1699314 - 07/09/03 10:46 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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"it must be sad to live in a world where you rely on the great google god for all truth." -AFS
Blasphemer! Off with his head! ; )
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