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Difference between subbs and foens?
    #1690558 - 07/06/03 05:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Ive been looking at various pictures and descriptions of both subbs and foens, but i cant figure out how to tell the difference between the two species (other then the subbs have a slightly darker spore print but most of the time i cannot disginguish it). Any tips to help distinguish between the two?


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Re: Difference between subbs and foens? [Re: shroomer44]
    #1690654 - 07/06/03 06:49 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The stems on foens tend to be bright white, long, and skinny. Subbs have shorter, thicker, and brown to red stems. The stems of foens will also shimmer in the sun and tend to bend easily.

Foens will have brown to dark brown gills, and drop a dark brown spore print. Subbs have dark grey to black gills and are fringed with white... the print they drop is always jet black.

Foens caps from the center out go from light brown to dark brown. 2 bands.

Subs caps go from light brown to dark brown to light brown. 3 bands.


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Re: Difference between subbs and foens? [Re: shroomer44]
    #1690660 - 07/06/03 06:51 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Panaeolus subbalteatus have black spores.

Panaolina foenisecii has chocolate brown spores.

Panaeolus subbalteatus has a cap which grows flat with age.

Panaeolina foenisecii has a conical to bell shaped cap which never becomes completelty flat.

Panaeolus subbalteatus has vertical grooves spiraling down the lengrth of the stem.

Panaeolina foenisecii does not.

Panaeolus subbalteatus stem is thich and Panaeolina foenisecii's stem is thin.

Panaeolina foenisecii grows in grass and Panaeolus subbalteatus grows in manured compost heaps, straw composting and sometimes in manure and once in a blue moon in lawns.

Only a few pickers here at the shroomery have ever found a lawn of them. Joshua in Oregon did last year but they do not seem to have coime back this year.

Mitchnast finds them a lot in pastures in Sydney Nova Scotia and LK has found a few in lawns over the years. So usually you will only find the Panaeolina foeniscii in a lawn before you ever find a Panaeolus subbalteatus.

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Re: Difference between subbs and foens? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1690666 - 07/06/03 06:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Difference between subbs and foens? [Re: shroomer44]
    #1691208 - 07/06/03 10:45 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

look at gumby's thread "panaeolus and amanita pics ". he has a perfect example of the 3 bands in the subbs and their coloring.



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Re: Difference between subbs and foens? [Re: subterranean]
    #5726945 - 06/08/06 04:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

bumping this thread to ask: what is the gill situation? are they supposed to be attached or free? this site says subbs have attached gills, and I've found a bunch of foes, so I know they have free gills... if this is true, wouldn't this be the easiest way to tell them apart?

I also disagree with the previous post saying the coloring on the caps of subbs goes light to dark, while foes go dark to light... as I've said, I have found a lot of foes, and they've gone light to dark, just like subbs.


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Re: Difference between subbs and foens? [Re: Spanielmander]
    #5727180 - 06/08/06 05:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you haven't seen this page, Spanielmander,  I suggest giving it a glance.  Thank Gumby for the compilation.

http://www.impakt.net/~tyler/subbs/

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Re: Difference between subbs and foens? [Re: MadSeasonAbove]
    #5727676 - 06/08/06 07:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

As the mushroom dries the typical bands of color can completely fade leaving the mushroom a fairly uniform buffish fawnish color. Often if you place the mushrooms in a high moisture environment or immerse them in water you will see the banded color pattern return as the mushroom becomes hydrated. Of course you don't really want to be soaking them in water unless you are making a tea as the chemicals you are after are water soluble.

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