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How long from building a case to a raid?
    #16895577 - 09/23/12 03:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So I've been ordering some RCs. All have arrived fine except one, one was held up for an unusually long time but got here fine. The one that did not arrive fine had 2/3 missing. I assumed it was a vendor mistake, the vendor reshipped. When this reshipped package arrived, a mail carrier who I have never seen before and who definitely does not normally deliver my mail asked me all kinds of questions about it. I played dumb and largely refused to answer, but they were asking all the wrong questions to say the least, and they were very persistant in their questioning. They questioned me for a good ten minutes about it, in a very, very bad manor. Not normal at all for a mailman when they normally just drop stuff off without so much as a "hi". Toward the end they said that all mail like what I received was closely monitored, and insinuated that it was drugs, and then left.

Then, I come to find out that some people who I know have been asked questions about me by some cops concerning drugs. These people said they didn't know anything because these people have no idea about my drug use.

Now onto the more paranoid side of things. The other night I went to a bar with some friends. Then a guy showed up in the bar who ordered nothing, and looked very clean cut. He just stood off on the side near a wall, and ordered nothing, and spoke to no one. And the ENTIRE TIME he did nothing but watch me. Then, still without ordering anything or talking to anyone, after a while he left.

I haven't been raided yet, but I certainly expect it. But why haven't they raided me yet? Why would my friends be asked questions, and why would a mailman who I have never seen grill me on my package for a good ten minutes without raiding me? There's something that's not adding up here, and I don't know what it is. I suspect they have information, but maybe not enough to get a warrant. Or maybe a judge refused a warrant so they're fishing for more information.

What should I do? I've already cleaned house, but this shit is freaking me the fuck out.
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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16895587 - 09/23/12 03:49 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It could be a couple days till months of them building a case....


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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16895709 - 09/23/12 04:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I can see three things going down:

1.  They don't have enough for a warrant and are tracking you (or haven't tried to get a warrant yet) to get more evidence for the application.

2.  They have enough for a warrant/charges but want to build a case against you for trafficking and to that end are watching you to try and find you dealing drugs to somebody who they can then snatch up and turn into a witness against you and make you do a long time in the pen.

3.  They may or may not have enough for a warrant/charges, but are watching you to try and see if they can find a dealer you frequent to work up the chain of delivery.


Obviously the best thing to do is to:

a) DON"T TALK TO THE POLICE, EVER.  Most people who post here end up confessing everything to the cops because they were lied to or just gave up, thinking it would 'help them' or not be a big deal.
b) Don't purchase or possess any drugs, drug paraphernalia, or other things.  This includes baggies, zip locks, smoking accessories, scales, et cet.  Any stupid shit they can find could be introduced at trial regardless of whether its actually illegal.
c) Make sure you don't have any incriminating evidence on your computer, mobile devices, and so forth.

Obviously it would be good to get an attorney, but if you don't have the cash or the inclination get your ducks in a row.

For the benefit of others, please tell us about the delivery.  Did they deliver the package and give it to you?

Was it from overseas or domestic (I presume USA?)

What service class was it if domestic (express/priority/first class/et cet)

What did the parcel actually look like, packaging wise?  Handwritten or typed?  Fake address/addresse?  Messy looking?  Brown packaging on exterior?

What did the mailman actually ask you and what did you say? 

Was the substance scheduled or a research chemical?

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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: johnm214]
    #16898285 - 09/23/12 05:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

From your story, it sounds like they're watching you and they WANT you to know it.

The guy in the bar was probably for intimidation purposes. Either that or really terrible at his job.

I'm also curious what kind of legal (but watched) chemicals we're talking about here. Right now it's a sketchy time for anything that could be considered a "research chemical," IMO.


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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #16903886 - 09/24/12 05:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Might be the DEA that followed you into the bar, or it might be your mind looking for something out of the ordinary and you automatically assume the worst since you're paranoid from the missing packs

But take things into perspective

If they know/have an idea of what you're receiving, AND they haven't busted you yet - they're trying to get more evidence on you and make the bust at the most "profitable" time for them - when you have product and they can catch you red handed.

I have a friend who is pretty certain the DEA was on him for receiving packs. They are completely obvious about what they did, they would do the kind of shit you described. My buddy and everybody who lived at his house would be followed around town on a consistent basis, by the same people in the same cars. And they didn't give a fuck if we saw them or not - they would still follow.

If you see something out of the ordinary, approach the person and see if their behavior changes (IE: if they become uncomfortable, drive away real quickly or otherwise any other sketchyness)

There's really no solution to your problem except the obvious. Quit while you're ahead or get the fuck out of town.

My buddy skipped to another state before anything happened and he is OK now.

Move around, keep em guessing (take dumb routes to your next location especially if you're carrying drugs), keep special notice of license plates/cars/people/odd mailmen

Good luck and stay safe man.

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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16905047 - 09/24/12 08:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

if you have cleaned house, then do nothing.
Why worry about the future, when the future is not here yet.
Just enjoy loving and living life in the moment, in the now.

If they come in the future, worry about it then.

As for how much time to wait, well..just wait about 3 weeks, if all is good....order more drugs...but next time, mail the box in your mother's name and have it sent to her address.

That way, she can honestly say she did not order it and it must have been the Al-kaida that was behind it. Just have her tell the fucker flew a couple of planes into the world trade centre and he has never stopped trying to harass American's at all cost.

Just make sure your mom is holding a fresh baked apple pie at the door while wearing an American Flag draped around her shoulders.

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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: Vitalux]
    #16907110 - 09/25/12 09:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I can completely back the post about cops following you and not giving a shit if you they know you know they are following you.  I had my place swarmed with police after they intercepted an express mail package of mine.  Well I played it cool and backed out of my driveway calmly and they were still there at my residence when I came back, just all surrounded and watching as I drove up.  They never tried contacting me but as soon as I hightailed it into my house I looked out the back window and saw an officer peeking above the fence trying to scan inside my home.  He walked off as soon as I spotted him.

Fast forward a couple weeks and this goofy looking undercover car follows me everywhere as soon as I pass by where he's parked.  I take 4 turns making a full square and he still follows as if he doesn't give a damn that I know he's behind me.

It's weird but apparently there are plenty of times where they don't care if you know about them being there.  To this day I haven't been raided or anything and this happened about 2 yrs ago.

The thing I don't understand is they had plenty of evidence to raid me with a warrant (I stupidly used my own address and my prints were already in their system and ALL over the package they seized).  I don't know if I just got lucky or if they're just taking a really long time before swooping in for an arrest.  Either way I play it as safe as possible now but I know I'm not quite in the clear due to statute of limitations on the offense.

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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #16912706 - 09/26/12 02:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

How do they trace you guys?


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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: johnm214]
    #17266776 - 11/22/12 10:13 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Update:

I laid low ever since, cleaned house, no real drug use, stopped tripping, even stopped with pot except for the occasional hit. Everything died down, nothing suspicious has happened recently. I've been laying as low as I possibly can. Maybe it paid off? It's only been a couple of months, but there's been nothing out of the ordinary recently. I've bought no new drugs, and ordered nothing through the mail which may have helped. I don't talk to anyone about drugs and rarely ever leave the house. I've kept everything on the up and up.

I suspect maybe they might not have had enough for a warrant, and since they talked to people who knew nothing about me and drugs that might have been a bit of a wall for them. I don't know.

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For the benefit of others, please tell us about the delivery.  Did they deliver the package and give it to you?



A supposed USPS worker delivered it. I didn't recognize them, and they were asking all the wrong questions, practically grilling me about the package. Since when does USPS even give a fuck about what's in a package? I've never had them ask questions before, and then suddenly they were grilling me on it. Maybe I should have just told them to fuck off.

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Was it from overseas or domestic (I presume USA?)



I'm in the US, but it was from overseas. Europe.

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What service class was it if domestic (express/priority/first class/et cet)



I don't remember at this point, unfortunately. I threw away all the evidence months ago. I believe I shelled out for some nice shipping because it was a lot of money. Either priority or first class, maybe express. It didn't seem to arrive very fast, so not overnight, but it may have been airmail of some kind. I just don't remember, except that I shelled out for some nicer shipping.

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What did the parcel actually look like, packaging wise?  Handwritten or typed?  Fake address/addresse?  Messy looking?  Brown packaging on exterior?



White large bulky letter like envelope with company logo like designs, but the logo had nothing to do with the company I ordered from. Regular real address, may have been hand written, but I seem to recall it was printed. Some of the packages I recieved at the time were hand written, but I think this one was printed, but I might be wrong. Didn't look messy, but was very bulky for a letter of that size because of all the MSDSes. Very bulky, almost like it had a small book inside. Had my real name on it, and my real address.

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What did the mailman actually ask you and what did you say?



They asked if I knew what was in it over and over, asked who I had ordered it from, asked what I ordered, asked how well I knew the company, asked how often I ordered from this company, asked what this company does, asked how it was that I had recieved a package if I didn't know what was in it, asked more questions like that about how I could have gotten a package without knowing what was in it, asked if I would open it right there.

I answered probably poorly. I feel like I should have told them to fuck off and that it was none of their business. Instead, I played dumb, and mostly said "no" or "I don't know" and said that I order a lot of things on amazon and that it could have been anything. I refused to open it. I kept repeating that I order a lot of things on amazon, and it was probably from there, and that I had no idea what it was. I really don't think she believed me at all. I doubt that these responses were even remotely helpful, especially because right before she left she angrily angrily warned me that USPS keeps track of "packages like these."

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Was the substance scheduled or a research chemical?



RCs, but I had been also ordered a few RCs that are very, very close to scheduled substances. It was a pretty good quantity, too, and a reship.

It may have been the number of different packages containing RCs that I recieved in a short period of time. I got about 5 seperate packages of RCs in short order (a week or two).

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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17266854 - 11/22/12 10:26 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

RCs that aren't illegal aren't going to get you busted provided your not selling the shit. If its in the original pacakging, not packaged for sale or consumption, I wouldn't worry about it. Now if you just laid a bunch of sheets of 25x or bagged up a bunch of MXE in baggies then id be worried. If your not selling, I wouldn't be worried bout it, if you are selling your fucking up big time if they are already watching you like that. Stash your shit somewhere else and lay low for awhile, and defiantley don't sell shit to anyone.

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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17271807 - 11/23/12 11:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I've read too many stories where people get busted after a long and clean quiet period. If I were you I would continue to lay low in relation to drugs, but don't let worry prevent you from having fun or living a fulfilling life. Best of luck and I hope it all blows over sooner rather than later.

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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: Icepic]
    #17271931 - 11/24/12 12:30 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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RCs that aren't illegal aren't going to get you busted provided your not selling the shit. If its in the original pacakging, not packaged for sale or consumption, I wouldn't worry about it. Now if you just laid a bunch of sheets of 25x or bagged up a bunch of MXE in baggies then id be worried. If your not selling, I wouldn't be worried bout it, if you are selling your fucking up big time if they are already watching you like that. Stash your shit somewhere else and lay low for awhile, and defiantley don't sell shit to anyone.





Once upon a time this was true. Now it is very untrue. Maybe you haven't been following what's been going on with RC's for a while.

OP, I'm glad things turned out okay.


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Re: How long from building a case to a raid? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #17274102 - 11/24/12 02:39 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

iiwu I'd be hitting Craigslist every day looking for a new pad in a new town, gtfo before the  :shitstorm:, and get a box for deliveries.

The whole situation would stress me the fuck out.

As my lawyer told me, it's much easier to steer clear of trouble than to get out once you're in.

Although moving is a pita, it's a walk in the park compared to getting pinched.

Do you really want to live like that? Wondering every night as you go to sleep if you'll be rudely awakened by the sound of a battering ram smashing in your door by a team armed with, among other nasties, a no-knock warrant?

Can't you take a hint? The town's not big enough for you, and the sheriff wants you out. You've been warned several times.

Assuming that you're renting, In less than 60 days, all these concerns could be a fading memory, and your biggest problem trying to decide which picture to hang on which wall.
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