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Javadog
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Protocal]
#16646841 - 08/05/12 11:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Protocal said: Couple of questions, I've read in a few other places that after you inoculate keeping the jars heated to around 80 degrees F using a heating pad or heated water is suggested to help the jars colonize faster. Is that necessary or can I just leave em sitting in my closet at room temperature? Also I've heard that using a humidifier or fish tank bubbler is better than misting because introducing so much water to the colonized cake's exterior can greatly slow down the pinning and production cycle. And since there will be holes drilled through out the FC the FAE wouldn't be as much of a problem as it normally is due to the high humidity levels. Is there any truth to that? And is it really necessary to have such an advanced system of humidification if there's Perlite at the bottom of the FC or will misting suffice? I just don't wanna go and drop the extra cash for a fish tank bubbler PLUS the stones and everything if all I'm going to need is a fine mist spray bottle and a paper fan after I get my colonized cakes into my FC. If you're telling me all I will need after dunking and rolling my cakes in verm is my FC, enough Perlite to fill 3"-4" of my FC, some tin foil squares to place the cakes on, and a mist bottle, you just saved me a good $50-$75 I was planning on spending on heaters/humidifiers and such.
Room temps will do fine. Trying to raise the temps can go wrong, stall the growth, and increase the chance of contams taking over.
A properly built SGFC does not need any additional bubbling.
Misting is not really a problem, and will lead to your getting a better feeling for the needs of your cakes, and your learning more faster.
Good luck,
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Javadog]
#16695869 - 08/13/12 09:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like.
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: Shea25]
#16699069 - 08/14/12 01:53 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank You!!! This explained so much and answered a lot of my questions!
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: Groc60]
#16722241 - 08/18/12 06:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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this is the most helpful thread ive read since i started reading this forum a couple months ago. thank you so much to everyone that has contributed. i have a question that was aske on this thread but never answered. i want to build a semi-automated FC with an air pump on a timer that will exchange air when im not available to mist/fan as regularly as required. can anyone point me towards a link or just tell me how to do it? i inoculated 12 jars yesterday so i have a few weeks to get a good FC built. thanks in advance!
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: Landon3185]
#16722278 - 08/18/12 07:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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The FC tek you are descibing is pretty much deprecated. You'll get better results with a proper and correct shotgun FC.
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: Doc_T]
#16722344 - 08/18/12 07:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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A properly made SGFC will be fine for a day or so without fanning/misting. It's not optimal to have it go that long but it's better than a bubbler or anything else that people have tried.
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: Wing]
#16869373 - 09/18/12 03:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can i use 350ml wide-mouth jars? I dont find smaller ones,how long will these colonize and how much solution i must inject to 1 jar?
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: Shea25] 1
#16870292 - 09/18/12 05:55 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shea25 said: PF tek Things needed
1/2 pint wide mouth canning jars Pot/Pressure cooker Vermiculite Perlite Brown rice/Brow Rice Flour Tin foil 70% Iso alcohol Plastic Tote 6500K florescent bulb 1/4 inch drill bit/Drill Hammer/Nail Mixing bowl and spoon Gypsum Spore syringe Latex gloves Dust mask Lighter
Preparing the jar
Take the lids and using a nail and hammer or a 1/8 drill bit, drill 4 holes near the rim of the lids nicely spaced out. Depending what way you use you lids i use mine rubber side down just punch the holes so they don’t leave burrs pointing towards you.
The basic recipe for 5 PF jars is this 2 parts vermiculite 1 part water and 1 part BRF (additionally you can add 1 tablespoon of gypsum for 5 jars)
In a bowl add the 2 cups of vermiculite (and gypsum if you use it) now add the 1 cup of water, mix really well. Now add the 1 cup of Brown rice flour (you can make your own by grinding brow rice in a coffee grinder) Mix this really really well. Now load this into the 5 canning jar equally, making sure not to compress the mixture in the jars you want it nice and airy. You will be leaving a 1/2 inch space at the tops of the jars for the dry vermiculite layer.
Take a paper towel and wipe the 1/2inch space you left at the tops of the jars making sure to wipe away any BRF mixture or moisture away. Now top off the jars with dry vermiculite, screw on the lids and cover the tops the lids with tin foil. The tin foil is there to keep any moisture from entering the jars while there sterilizing.









Sterilizing
Now you want to take you PC or (pot with a tight fitting lid) and fill the bottom of it with jar lid rings and tin foil this is to keep the bottom of your jars off the bottom of the PC/Pot so they don’t burn Some PC’s come with trays to keep the jar already off the bottom use that if you can. Once that is done put the jars into the PC/pot and fill it with cold water just almost to the bottom of the jars. Now put on the lid of the PC/Pot and put the heat on High. Once the rocker on top of the PC starts to rock turn the heat right down to just keep it to a slight rock and start your 60 minute count down, If you’re using a pot once it come to a boil turn it down to a slight simmer and start your 90 minute count down. After the 60(PC) or 90(Pot) minutes are up turn off the heat and walk away let them cool down over night or for 8 hours.



Inoculation
Once the jars are cooled down put them in a draft free room along with the 70% Iso,Lighter,spore syringe . Make sure the rooms windows are shut and AC or heater turned off. Wash your hands and arms really good. Now put of the gloves and mask Take the foil lids off the jars you won’t need them anymore. Now rub your hand down with the 70% ISO wait a few seconds for it to evaporate. Now shake the syringe really well, using the lighter heat the needle of the syringe till its red hot now proceed to inoculate the jars using a 1/4 cc of solution per hole inoculating towards the glass. That’s 1 cc per jar. After every jar heat the needle back till its red hot and repeat.



Incubation
Now put the jars away in a closet of shelf at room temp they will start to colonize in a few days. Keep an eye on them every 4 days or so. Once they appear to be 100% colonized let them sit for another week to consolidate.

Birthing and dunk
Once the jars are finished their 1 week consolidation it’s ready to get them out of the jars. Open the jars get rid of the dry vermiculite layer now slap the jars (upside down) onto a wood cutting board or counter top, trying to coax the cakes out of the jars. Once out rinse them off and submerge in cool water for 24 hours making sure they stay submerged. After 24 hours rinse them again and now roll the cake in dry vermiculite making sure to cover the cake well tops and bottoms. I find busting up some of the verm for the dry roll up alittle finer helps.







Fruiting
Build one of these http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
I personally use a PMP
Mist your cakes 3-4 times a day and fan right after, fan 5-6 times a day. Water evaporating off your cakes is a major pinning trigger. Give them a 12/12 light schedule using a 6500K Florescent bulb (daylight or cool blue). Once they have pinned and grown and all picked, dunk them for 24 hours again this time no dry roll in vermiculite and put back in the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber.
Good Luck
Tips
Gypsum really helps the development of the fruit bodies I recommend using it Room temp 70-75 is perfect for incubation and fruiting. There’s no need to keep the dunking cakes in the fridge Mist and Fan Mist and Fan Use short wide mouth 1/2 pint jars Dont cover the lids after inoculation with anything example, Foil/tape Give them love
Results in this Golden Teacher

This was 2 cakes first flush, came just under 19 grams dry. Oak Ridge

Heres another set of cakes


Results may vary
Here is a How to on sterilizing a syringe to make up a spore syringe
How to sterilize a syringe with just a pot water and syringe
Thing needed.
A pot Empty Syringe Water(tap can work)
Fill the pot with cold water. turn the burner on High and wait for the water to come to a full boil. now start a 10 minute countdown and keep the water at a full boil.
After 10 minutes take the empty syringe and suck back the boiling water and let it sit in the syringe for 1 minute then expel the water in a sink(not back in the pot)
Repeat 4 more times on the last time keep the water in the syringe cap it and let it cool down.
Hope this helps.





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Notes: Use a Q-tip and 70% alcohol to clean the inside of the cap I have found even after months and months they will stay sterile No need to store in the fridge Never try to cool them down fast in the fridge
Very Old thread, if you're asking questions which were answered by the OP- Original Post. Beat it! (not directing any any specific questions, although it took place a lot in these last 25 pages.)
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Sylus said: Thanks to Shea25!
+1
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: flexorman]
#16870920 - 09/18/12 07:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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flexorman said: Can i use 350ml wide-mouth jars? I dont find smaller ones,how long will these colonize and how much solution i must inject to 1 jar?
Sure you can! will just take a little longer to colonize. (not much though) Same amount of solution will do fine (1-2mls per jar max), some people use only a drop or two in each inoc hole with great results. Just don't press down your cakes when packing to allow the myc to colonize quickly. Less is often more with spores.
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: k00laid]
#16871854 - 09/18/12 10:33 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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k00laid said:
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Sylus said: Thanks to Shea25!
+1
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: Javadog]
#16874970 - 09/19/12 01:20 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry for bothering,but i had to choose 350 ml and 230 ml,i choosed 230,are these to small,or just right? Thanks for reply  Sry,i'm newbie
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Re: Pf tek done right TEK [Re: flexorman]
#16875167 - 09/19/12 02:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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They're a better choice than the 350mL ones.
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This was incredibly helpful for a novice namaste
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Thanks,nice tek
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: flexorman]
#16981935 - 10/07/12 02:22 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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¸Just did 4 of these last week
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: harponet]
#17009778 - 10/11/12 03:05 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looked at a lot of different teks but this one I like the most...

THX!
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: LadyBytch]
#17084096 - 10/23/12 08:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks
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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Javadog]
#17084355 - 10/23/12 09:54 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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why is this teks perlite soaking wet???
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k00laid
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ghettosteve17 said: why is this teks perlite soaking wet???
shea25 does not use a SGFC
if you read the text accompanying, or maybe it was in the thread somewhere.
but shea25 (at least when this tek was made) used a variation of the PMP (poor mans pod)
he used a fish tank air pump, a bubbler wand, and perlite.
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