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Unknown psilocybe growing along Caerulescens and atlantis.
#16868164 - 09/18/12 11:14 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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These were found in the wild growing very close to P. weilii and P. Atlantis. There was only one cluster found and I had no camera or phone to take habitat pics but its under heavy loblolly pine cover growing in the straw debree underneath. This is the place but the pic was taken the last visit.
There were 4 collected and they are ready to be sent off this week so I should know soon. This is them next to the weilii
very different. My guess is maybe galindii or the unknown that workman has been looking for from lizard kings collection long ago. This is the same spot he found them.
Edited by phishhead (01/24/13 03:04 PM)
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#16868228 - 09/18/12 11:28 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#16868701 - 09/18/12 01:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow man! Those look like some mexican psilocybe that Alan finds down south. You should post these on http://mushroomobserver.org. Can you make a spore print? I think you really found something new.
Edit: maybe something in the sect. Cordisporae
Edited by maynardjameskeenan (09/18/12 01:39 PM)
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#16868768 - 09/18/12 01:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#16868865 - 09/18/12 01:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very cool! Indeed it reminds me of some obscure mexican postings on mushroomobserver.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Anglerfish]
#16869029 - 09/18/12 02:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would love to get my hands on some spores to play with. If you got some ill trade ya for em. Can prob get you some azurescence in a couple of weeks.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Ganzig]
#16869064 - 09/18/12 02:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice findings, im exited to know what they are!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Oboy]
#16869085 - 09/18/12 02:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not asking this to question your id, I'm just curious as I'm new to id'ing - what makes you sure it's a psilocybe without taking a spore print? Just the bruising?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: tdmm]
#16869121 - 09/18/12 02:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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all psilocybes have some characteristics that are shared. Seperable pellacle/pellicle?
striate margin when wet. Hygrophonous cap.
and almost all have purple brown prints.
Some exceptions like the red boy cube.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Ganzig]
#16869176 - 09/18/12 02:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psilocybe galindoi??
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: bloodworm]
#16869370 - 09/18/12 03:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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bloodworm said: Psilocybe galindoi??
That would be my guess too. Stipes look extremely galindoi-ish. Caps are a bit different than the cultivated ones, but I'd say close enough for that to be because of the far greater genetic variability in the wild. I'm really interested to see how this turns out! Amazing find!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Tangich]
#16869512 - 09/18/12 03:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome find for sure! Been searching since the rains to avail. yet but I will keep it up. Happy Hunting.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: kelroy383]
#16870232 - 09/18/12 05:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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very awesome find Phishhead! i remember ole lizard king! i wonder how he is these days!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#16870654 - 09/18/12 07:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: sporeRider]
#16870784 - 09/18/12 07:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#16870894 - 09/18/12 07:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Ran-D]
#16870956 - 09/18/12 07:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting observation phishhead!
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Yea hows it going sporeRider??? Been missing all those cool threads by the Gym king.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Gravija]
#16871070 - 09/18/12 08:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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This find is beautiful Mmmmm
And thanks fellas Soon come back jah ya
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: sporeRider]
#16871081 - 09/18/12 08:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: vjp]
#16871094 - 09/18/12 08:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: sporeRider]
#16871108 - 09/18/12 08:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Omg I just saw yo sig vjp . Much much love brotha
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: sporeRider]
#16871991 - 09/18/12 11:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hell yeah !! I live for this shit!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: sporeRider]
#16872962 - 09/19/12 05:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I with VJP.
Awesome finds Phish.
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I can't stop staring at the stipe of the far right. Nature always has the coolest colors. Go back and try to find more
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: NeoSporen]
#16873397 - 09/19/12 08:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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What was the habitat like where you found these? I am thinking I may have seen a few of these in some bermuda grass, but thought they were some sort of Panaeolus. If they weren't these, and they were in fact pans, they were strange. Almost a dark purplish color all over. And what county if you don't mind sharing?
Oh and what characteristics lead you to believe they are not atlantis?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#16876269 - 09/19/12 06:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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i found atlantis a few days before these at the same place and atlantis are completely different. They are much smaller for one and the cap becomes completely whitish tan with a black ring around the edge of the cap. these are about 3 times there size and the cap is much darker in color. Yeah honestly I thought instantly of galindoi when I saw them and I agree they do resemble them alot. But I still think its possible they are something else. Ive already spoke with workman so im just gonna send him a sample and we shall see. Ive looked for more and I left a couple pins but havent found anymore yet. The place I find these I used to hunt with gumby and combined, there have been atleast 4 possibly 5 different psilocybes found there. wonderous place indeed.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#16876504 - 09/19/12 06:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you know if the atlantis or galindioi would grow in a greenspace lot of bermuda grass next to a stand of sweetgums and loblollies? Basically same habitat as weilii. Like I said I found these two mushrooms, very small, that resemble what you have there.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#16877580 - 09/19/12 10:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Was that in Roswell?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Acid Dreams]
#16878618 - 09/20/12 03:55 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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no not in roswell, and they dont grow in bermuda grass. like i said in my first post, these were deep in the woods under loblollies coming right out of the pine straw and debree. The atlantis dont grow in bermuda either, i always find them in weeds a few feet off the trails in the same spot. they are very hard to find because they are so small most of the time.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: mandrax360]
#16878776 - 09/20/12 06:09 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: eLShaMukO]
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#16881305 - 09/20/12 04:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice work phishhead! Thanks for sharin', appreciacte it.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17470101 - 12/30/12 08:49 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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So unfortunately I am a big procrastinator and I just got around to sending these to workman. He should recieve them very soon and Im stoked to finally find out what they are. I really think they are probably galindoi but you never know. I have found galindoi there before through the years but they never looked like this. They were also growing in a cluster which ive never seen galindoi do either. Not to say they dont but it would be really cool to identify something new and possibly the mystery specimen that lizard king found at the same place long ago. We shall see...
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17470532 - 12/30/12 11:19 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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haha ya good ole lizard king, i remember those days!
congrats on your awesome find, i cant wait to see what it really is!!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17582019 - 01/20/13 09:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Workman finally received my samples so hopefully soon i will know for sure what they are...
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17582025 - 01/20/13 09:52 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17582175 - 01/20/13 10:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those are fucking sick! These were found in Fulton county right? was the area disturbed?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Xiliad]
#17582500 - 01/20/13 11:32 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: xthrx]
#17582819 - 01/21/13 12:25 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17585215 - 01/21/13 01:41 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Found in Gwinnett county. Ground was not disturbed, coming right out of the clay with a thin layer of pine straw. A 5 mushroom cluster, I collected 4 and left one to sporulate and decay.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17585518 - 01/21/13 02:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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The pileus on these is a lot different looking than any Psilocybe that I've ever seen in person or in photos. It looks like it may not have a pellicle. It could just be that they are fairly dry, but caps on the weilli next to it for comparison sake look how I expect most Psilocybes to look maybe 2 or 3 days after it has rained if it's not warm and sunny out. They look in every other aspect to be a Psilocybe, including the spores which are coating one of the caps and at least one other has a noticeable amount on it. Probably just an exceptionally thin pellicle. They definitely appear to be an active, I would be incredibly surprised if they turned out not to be as I'm sure we all would. Could potentially even be an active from another genus, that would be even more awesome if you found the first active member of another genus. They kind of look like Psathyrella, wouldn't that be sweet, I can see it now... 'first active Psathyrella found!', super interesting.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17585766 - 01/21/13 03:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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phishhead said: Workman finally received my samples so hopefully soon i will know for sure what they are...
I had forgot about this find. Waiting eagerly for Workman to work it out!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: ambc]
#17585938 - 01/21/13 03:54 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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ambc said: They kind of look like Psathyrella, wouldn't that be sweet, I can see it now... 'first active Psathyrella found!', super interesting.
No, they are Psilocybe.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Xiliad]
#17586021 - 01/21/13 04:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes definetly Psilocybe . i think they resemble some species from Mexico.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17586293 - 01/21/13 05:14 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: i think they resemble some species from Mexico.
They look like Psilocybe caerulescens.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17586525 - 01/21/13 06:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: gullhole]
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I think they are Psilocybe and if not then certainly an active anyway, if that wasn't clear. I just think they look like they have a far less apparent pellicle than most if not any others I have seen and, do to this the caps in particular look kind of like Psathyrrella.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: ambc] 1
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I don't see how you can say anything about the pellicle without trying to peel it.
The mushroom on the left in pic 4 is classic Psilocybe caerulescens, with floccose mycelium on the bottom half of the stipe.
Pellicle isn't a term that is used outside of the Psilocybe semilanceata picking community. Normally we say that it is possible to peel the cap cuticle.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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ambc said: I just think they look like they have a far less apparent pellicle than most if not any others I have seen and, do to this the caps in particular look kind of like Psathyrrella.
I don't see how you can say anything about the pellicle without trying to peel it.
The mushroom on the left in pic 4 is classic Psilocybe caerulescens, with floccose mycelium on the bottom half of the stipe.
Pellicle isn't a term that is used outside of the Psilocybe semilanceata picking community. Normally we say that it is possible to peel the cap cuticle.
ha did not know that being from the semilanceata community!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17591259 - 01/22/13 03:49 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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They did have a thin pellicle on the cap as you can see, part of it had peeled off naturally and the tissue underneath turned black from oxidation. Should know by tomorrow so ill let you know when I do.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
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What would be cool about it being something different even if it is caerulescens is the fact that, that would make 5 psilocybe species found in this one location alone. That is freaking crazy, weilii atlantis galindoi naemataformis and possibly caerulescens.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
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phishhead said: What would be cool about it being something different even if it is caerulescens is the fact that, that would make 5 psilocybe species found in this one location alone. That is freaking crazy, weilii atlantis galindoi naemataformis and possibly caerulescens.
Why was naematoliformis taken off the GA active species list? Has anyone actually found this species in GA? Or are all the naematoliformis finds really just caerulescens?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17591870 - 01/22/13 05:42 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Xiliad said: Why was naematoliformis taken off the GA active species list? Has anyone actually found this species in GA? Or are all the naematoliformis finds really just caerulescens?
The type collection of P. naematoliformis actually contains P. banderillensis. P. banderillensis was described from La Martinica, Banderilla, Veracruz, Mexico. I'll be hunting there for a couple days this summer. I've discovered a new candy cap there and need a type collection.
Two collections of "P. naematoliformis" from Georgia have been studied, and both turned out to be a Deconica.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17592441 - 01/22/13 07:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't see how you can say anything about the pellicle without trying to peel it.
The mushroom on the left in pic 4 is classic Psilocybe caerulescens, with floccose mycelium on the bottom half of the stipe.
Pellicle isn't a term that is used outside of the Psilocybe semilanceata picking community. Normally we say that it is possible to peel the cap cuticle.
All psilocybes have a pellicle. I mentioned in my first post on this thread the difference between the "classic psilocybe" appearance of the cap on the far left in said picture and the unknown species.
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They did have a thin pellicle on the cap as you can see, part of it had peeled off naturally and the tissue underneath turned black from oxidation. Should know by tomorrow so ill let you know when I do.
Thought it must be thin. Sweet!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: ambc]
#17592471 - 01/22/13 07:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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ambc said: All psilocybes have a pellicle.
All mushrooms have a pellicle. All people also have one.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17592702 - 01/22/13 07:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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ambc said: All psilocybes have a pellicle.
All mushrooms have a pellicle. All people also have one.
Psilocybe mushrooms have a pellicle that are often easy to remove and appear clear. Psilocybe sec. semilanceatea is really the only one that is distinctive enough to use it as characteristic of those species.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Joust]
#17593044 - 01/22/13 08:49 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a pellicle? Gross!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Ganzig]
#17593056 - 01/22/13 08:50 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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You would be grosser without one.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 1
#17593168 - 01/22/13 09:04 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, this post is getting really confused.
phishhead posted a picture with what he knows as P. weilii on the left and unidentified mushrooms on the right.
P. weilii is now considered conspecific with P. caerulescens displacing the name weilii.
The unidentified specimens on the right are something in the Section Mexicanae which includes P. mexicana, P. atlantis, P. galindoi and P. tampanensis.
Known Georgian Mexicanae collections include P. atlantis and an unpublished species remarkably similar to P. galindoi from Mexico, but is probably an undescribed species. Other possibilities are P. tampanensis (Florida) or something completely new. The pending microscopy should help sort it out. P. mexicana seems unlikely to me as a possibility.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Workman]
#17593925 - 01/22/13 10:38 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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so what your saying this is most likely another stone producer!!?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17594380 - 01/23/13 12:04 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: You would be grosser without one.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Ganzig]
#17594437 - 01/23/13 12:16 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Joust]
#17595488 - 01/23/13 09:42 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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So does a bluing deconica blow apart the "any mushroom with a purplish spore print that bruises blue is active" notion? And also, are there chemical tests done to determine if a species is active, or does it require bioassay after its confirmed to be non toxic? Lots of good info on this thread. I can't wait to see results as to what these things are!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17595504 - 01/23/13 09:48 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are no bluing Deconica species.
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One or the other.
A bioassay is the only way to confirm that a species is nontoxic, though educated guesses about that can be made by looking at the edibility of closely related species.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17595511 - 01/23/13 09:51 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im pretty sure that the deconica I was finding last summer were bruising blue. They had a darker stem, so maybe the bluing was just browning or blackening, but I could've sworn they showed distinct bluing at the base.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17595524 - 01/23/13 09:53 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: Im pretty sure that the deconica I was finding last summer were bruising blue. They had a darker stem, so maybe the bluing was just browning or blackening, but I could've sworn they showed distinct bluing at the base.
Many people say their Deconicas stain blue, but none have been able to make it show up in a photo.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17595530 - 01/23/13 09:55 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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If they were bluing, then they weren't Deconica. The point of that genus is that it contains non-active (thus non-bluing) species previously in the Psilocybe. Either they were not Deconica, or that wasn't really blue bruising.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17595540 - 01/23/13 09:58 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: Im pretty sure that the deconica I was finding last summer were bruising blue. They had a darker stem, so maybe the bluing was just browning or blackening, but I could've sworn they showed distinct bluing at the base.
Many people say their Deconicas stain blue, but none have been able to make it show up in a photo.
What about some of these? I think I see darkening (maybe blue?) near the base of the stipe.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17595568 - 01/23/13 10:05 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks brown to me.
This is one of those species, like Galerina marginata, which has a dark stem and white floccose mycelium on the surface. When you handle the stem, the floccose mycelium collapses and makes the mushroom appear to be bruising.
This is one reason that you should never touch the stem of a mushroom. (the other reason is that it destroys the caulocystidia). Mushrooms should be pikced up by the cap or the stem base. I just got bitched out for this again this past weekend.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17595588 - 01/23/13 10:11 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hahaha Alan. You must remove the mushrooms with a delicate hand! Its like excaliburcybe. The mushroom in the stone. Very interesting. I'm learning things here, because I had assumed Gallerina "bruised" blue because of oxidation of toxic chems as opposed to psilocin.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17595676 - 01/23/13 10:33 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: Im pretty sure that the deconica I was finding last summer were bruising blue. They had a darker stem, so maybe the bluing was just browning or blackening, but I could've sworn they showed distinct bluing at the base.
Many people say their Deconicas stain blue, but none have been able to make it show up in a photo.
What about some of these? I think I see darkening (maybe blue?) near the base of the stipe.
i had those on grains but they petered out. too dry i guess. that was before they were id'd as a deconica tho, i was hoping it was a psilocybe too.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
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Hashfinger said: Im pretty sure that the deconica I was finding last summer were bruising blue. They had a darker stem, so maybe the bluing was just browning or blackening, but I could've sworn they showed distinct bluing at the base.
Many people say their Deconicas stain blue, but none have been able to make it show up in a photo.
What about some of these? I think I see darkening (maybe blue?) near the base of the stipe.
i had those on grains but they petered out. too dry i guess. that was before they were id'd as a deconica tho, i was hoping it was a psilocybe too.
Hey bro! I got your rustica seeds sprouted, ready for spring, also a few bridgesii sproutlings. Sorry the ninos petered out on you! We need to work on them and sell them commercially as "bonsai mushrooms"! Wow. Okay, no more thread hijacking.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17595744 - 01/23/13 10:49 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh yeah one more thing, a lot of these mushrooms weren't picked, they were rather, picked up. They were on woodchips as you can see, so i just lifted the material and mushrooms. So like in the first pic, you can still see the white shit on stem intact, yet there is distinct dark appearance.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17597785 - 01/23/13 05:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I need to start practicing picking more gently. When I pick mushrooms I am very violent with them. I will actually squeez them to see if they bruise I guess that is not proper technique. I am learning
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17597875 - 01/23/13 05:30 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow thread hijackers good lord...
So workman it is definitely in mexicanae but not atlantis or galindoi? When fresh they did have a very close cap color to pampanensis which would be very interesting. Either way I'm very excited on the possibility of something completely new... Hope to find out soon.
Ok I see so it would be P. caerulescens (weilii) P. atlantis (confirmed by workman a couple years ago) P. Galindoi (or what is very closely related) and the unknown species would make 4. I didn't realize the naematoloformis collections turned out to be deconica...
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17597940 - 01/23/13 05:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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dude you find the coolest stuff!!
yes they have determined P weillii is the same as P caerulescens and they are now called P caerulescens.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17598140 - 01/23/13 06:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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So are there any differences in them at all? I found another psilocybe that i still have dry from last year too that I never sent out.
These mushrooms were almost impossible to find they were so small. they were found in a hardwood forest right off the trail in some really decayed leaf matter. I forgot about them til now but ill have to dig them out and send them off lol. I went back and found them in 3 seperate areas but mainly just one spot. Didnt find any this year.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17599190 - 01/23/13 09:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm having some issues with my USB microscope camera so no pictures or measurements for today. But I did check it out and have a bit of information
The unknown isn't P. atlantis since it lacks the characteristic irregularly branched cheilocystidia. Pleurocystidia present with short necks. Cheilocystidia lageniform some bifurcate. Basidia 4 spored. Spores subrhomboid.
It is in the Mexicanae but the identification is not yet conclusive.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Workman]
#17601227 - 01/24/13 09:04 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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And so we continue to eat our popcorn...
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17601241 - 01/24/13 09:10 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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phishhead said: What would be cool about it being something different even if it is caerulescens is the fact that, that would make 5 psilocybe species found in this one location alone. That is freaking crazy, weilii atlantis galindoi naemataformis and possibly caerulescens.
is it not more possible that he found someones outdoor grow?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Eternal.A.K.Being]
#17603141 - 01/24/13 03:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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No it is not possible I found someones outdoor grow. These mushrooms were found in the woods growing from undisturbed ground and Ive been hunting this same place for close to ten years now. I didn't just find them all one day, it's taken a lot of time to find them. This isn't a place that is right behind someones house or by a neighborhood and the land is protected which is why I think there have been so many species found in this one area.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17603850 - 01/24/13 04:50 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I looked at it again and now I am fairly certain it is the same as this, a previous phishhead collection.
I took some handheld camera pictures and upon closer inspection, amongst the bifurcate cheilocystidia there were some 3 branch cystidia. Exactly like those in the image above.
I was too hasty discounting P. atlantis. I'll try to put the handheld camera images together for comparisons real soon.
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Edited by Workman (01/24/13 04:56 PM)
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Workman]
#17604436 - 01/24/13 06:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmm well kinda disappointing but thats ok. this cluster if it is atlantis was totally different looking than all the ones ive found in the past. I have always found them growing alone spread out from each other. they were also much larger than all the previous finds.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17604575 - 01/24/13 06:33 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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well P atlantis is pretty dope none the less!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17604803 - 01/24/13 07:00 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seriously. Georgia is where it's AT! Keep the awesome finds coming, phish
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17605526 - 01/24/13 08:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, but large is good. It might be a superior cultivar. I can't wait to see it cultivated. And I was just restarting the previous culture so I should be able to do a direct comparison.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Workman]
#17607076 - 01/25/13 04:17 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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they were Very healthy specimens for sure! lemme know how its going workman, thanks for your work.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17612982 - 01/26/13 08:17 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude, wouldnt the ground in that area be LOADED with sclerotia from the past years? I mean, arent "stone" producing psilocybes harder to fruit? Maybe these puppies only fruit occasionally or when the conditions are absolutely right, but underground... Oh dear. I bet there are NUGGETS OF GOLD. Teach your dog to hunt atlantis sclerotia!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17613015 - 01/26/13 08:32 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: Dude, wouldnt the ground in that area be LOADED with sclerotia from the past years? I mean, arent "stone" producing psilocybes harder to fruit? Maybe these puppies only fruit occasionally or when the conditions are absolutely right, but underground... Oh dear. I bet there are NUGGETS OF GOLD. Teach your dog to hunt atlantis sclerotia!
The sclerotia is there to insure the survival of the species, So digging them up and eating them to trip wouldn't be cool. It would be better to just take a spore print and attempt to cultivate.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Xiliad]
#17613306 - 01/26/13 10:17 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would never do that anyway. They are hard to find as it is, I am just really surprised these turned out to be Atlantis. They look nothing like any that i have ever found, plus the fact they were growing in a cluster. Can't wait to see them fruiting next to the ones I sent samples of before. I bet they are atleast twice the size.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17613314 - 01/26/13 10:21 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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So what is the difference in P. Atlantis and ATL# 7? Is it the same mushroom?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17613354 - 01/26/13 10:31 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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phishhead said: So what is the difference in P. Atlantis and ATL# 7? Is it the same mushroom?
I was wondering this myself. I thought atl 7 was galindoi?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17613367 - 01/26/13 10:34 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right, ATL7 is galindoi. P. atlantis is different. The ATL7 designation is a lab notation that was made before it was discovered to be a different species from P. atlantis.
A direct comparison of the microscopy between the two species with published figures.
The species are microscopically similar with P. atlantis having irregularly branched cheilocystidia and the Georgia P. galindoi having simple unbranched cheilocystidia.
More info on the P. galindoi here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9177536
Published descriptions have Jalisco galindoi with unbranched cheilocystidia and Veracruz galindoi with branched cheilocystida, for whatever that is worth.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Workman]
#17613412 - 01/26/13 10:45 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks for that Workman. been wondering differences my self!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17615790 - 01/26/13 07:47 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have more pics somewhere but this is the only one I could find of the ATL #7 I picked with a former member here. The stems on them are typically much longer than atlantis and they handful I've seen sometimes twist. Workman do you know the last time they were reportedly found?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17615812 - 01/26/13 07:52 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Last convincing photo of Georgia P. galindoi I've seen was in 2009. ATL7 is only a lab designation.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17622693 - 01/28/13 09:12 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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phishhead said: I have more pics somewhere but this is the only one I could find of the ATL #7 I picked with a former member here. The stems on them are typically much longer than atlantis and they handful I've seen sometimes twist. Workman do you know the last time they were reportedly found?
Is that a weilii...i...i mean caerulescens in the back?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17623173 - 01/28/13 11:42 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Lepkaun]
#17623859 - 01/28/13 02:03 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes behind the galindoi is a caerulescens
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17635640 - 01/30/13 02:57 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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has anyone here eaten the atlantis fruit bodies? And if so, how much is a oderate dosage? Stronger or weaker than caerulescens?
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17635734 - 01/30/13 03:16 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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There suppose to be slightly more potent then caerulescens. I think they are probably about the same, but I have no experience with atlantis. You should know how to dose the mushrooms if you've been eating caerulescens long enough.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Xiliad]
#17640415 - 01/30/13 09:03 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah I know "how" man... just wanted to know the potency.
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: phishhead]
#17642220 - 01/31/13 08:19 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I remember reading an old post of LK's the other day where he said he had about 30 grams fresh, and a friend had 50 grams fresh? So like, 2.5-5 grams dry? Or maybe those were subbs. Idk. Seems heady. I would bet gram for gram they are stronger than caerulescens, but shit... only one way to find out!
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Re: Unknown psilocybe growing along weilii and atlantis. [Re: Hashfinger]
#17677055 - 01/31/13 03:08 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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beautiful, you've just inspired me to go on a hunt for obscure psilocybes. thank you.
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