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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Shins]
#16865054 - 09/17/12 08:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shins said: psilocybeMAN i hope you realize that those "conservation" officers could very likely be bullshitting in order to justify their jobs.
It's a bunch of government organized "conservation work" of course it's a lie.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16865067 - 09/17/12 08:10 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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bullshitting so they get to shoot stuff too.
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psilocybeMAN
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Shins]
#16865210 - 09/17/12 08:30 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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GuruBushHippie said: Yaeah, just the other day a wolf snatched up several kids from the neighbor's yard It's all about the children! We should exterminate those fucking vermin, save the children!!!

In all seriousness though, let's not kid ourselves. Hunting is a huge fucking cash cow for the government. Guns, ammo, licenses... the list goes on. It helps keep deer populations in check, but that's all we need it for. Wolves, like dogs, can have only have one liter of pups a year IN IDEAL CONDITIONS. Conditions are far less than ideal anywhere in the US except for AK, and even there they ought to be left alone. The whole state should be left alone before all of the wilderness in the US gets turned into a goddamned strip mall, but that's a different issue entirely.
IT ALSO KEEPS MANY OTHER SPECIES BESIDES DEER IN CHECK. LIKE COYOTES, HOGS, DUCKS, BEAR, RABBIT, THE LIST GOES ONQuote:
Shins said: psilocybeMAN i hope you realize that those "conservation" officers could very likely be bullshitting in order to justify their jobs.
if by conservation officers you mean the wildlife management, they are professional biologist and they know what they are doing. there is plenty of evidence showing the necessity of hunting not only to our wildlife, but yes to our state and its programs for wildlife. enough conspiracy theories. they (dfg) hire fresh out of college wildlife biologist who put science first.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16865221 - 09/17/12 08:31 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you have any sources
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Shins]
#16865224 - 09/17/12 08:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Again, the actual percentage of hunters/organizations that promote hunting and actually give two shits about the eco-system and legitimately controlling the population is miniscule. Of course they'll bring up the shit in order to spin and justify it, but deep down fucking 98% of them do it because it's fun for them. That's it.
It's not some fucking crusade to "aid the eco-system".
Lmfao
edit: I wasn't directing that at you shins. I forgot to direct reply that one.
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psilocybeMAN
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16865258 - 09/17/12 08:38 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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GuruBushHippie said: Do you have any sources 
any states department fish and game website has plenty of information. heres some other sources
Why hunting is important for population control reguarding deer
Why is hunting so important? wiki source on hunting in general.
if you want more, be more specific.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
#16865290 - 09/17/12 08:42 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Niffla said: Again, the actual percentage of hunters/organizations that promote hunting and actually give two shits about the eco-system and legitimately controlling the population is miniscule. Of course they'll bring up the shit in order to spin and justify it, but deep down fucking 98% of them do it because it's fun for them. That's it.
It's not some fucking crusade to "aid the eco-system".
Lmfao
edit: I wasn't directing that at you shins. I forgot to direct reply that one.
its instinctual. all of our ancestors required the skill, if oyu understand evolution by natural selection, you'd understand how tis trait has passed down. yes we hunters enjoy the hunt, should we not?
do you eat meat? id rather pay for my hunters license and take my family out and have family time. rather than some random person killing and cleaning my meat. while i dont hunt wolves myself, i understand that its important that they are hunted.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16865322 - 09/17/12 08:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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GuruBushHippie said: Do you have any sources 
any states department fish and game website has plenty of information. heres some other sources
Why hunting is important for population control reguarding deer
Why is hunting so important? wiki source on hunting in general.
if you want more, be more specific.
Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source and I don't need to hear anymore about deer. I want to see some empirical evidence from studies suggesting how hunting WOLVES is beneficial to them and their ecosystem. You said earlier that it keeps them from starving, but I think you're taking what you know about deer and applying it to other animal populations. Prove me wrong though, by all means. I need to see real sources based on real data though, that means something peer reviewed like a scientific or ecological journal.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16865536 - 09/17/12 09:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, the hunters most likely hunt for fun. Under normal circumstances, they would not be allowed to hunt wolves. It just happens that their interest in killing wolves matches up with the need to control the population, thus licenses are issued. Conservation efforts to restore wolf populations have been a little too successful. Breeding programs, cordoned areas of wilderness, artificial stocking of game animals, and game animals being restricted to smaller tracts of land (thus making them even easier prey) has lead to explosive population growth for wolves in some areas. Yes, often times we are to blame because we intervened - which lifting the ban to hunt them in these areas is attempting to fix. This situation was brought about by man. Many of these wolves will starve, many will suffer from malnutrition and lowered immune system (spreading disease), and in the meantime will kill off and/or starve entire populations of other species.
Edited by Panick (09/17/12 09:20 PM)
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Panick]
#16865593 - 09/17/12 09:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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How was this not brought about by man? And how is lifting the ban to allow hunting them an attempt at fixing it? That's the most nit-witted nonsense i've ever heard. We allowed hunting in the past to control populations: they went extinct. Let's allow that again for the same reason: what will happen this time? Hmmm... I wonder
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16865711 - 09/17/12 09:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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GuruBushHippie said: How was this not brought about by man? And how is lifting the ban to allow hunting them an attempt at fixing it? That's the most nit-witted nonsense i've ever heard. We allowed hunting in the past to control populations: they went extinct. Let's allow that again for the same reason: what will happen this time? Hmmm... I wonder 
lol there was no regulation. no species has been hunted to extinction ever since regulation in north america.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16865736 - 09/17/12 09:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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GuruBushHippie said: How was this not brought about by man? And how is lifting the ban to allow hunting them an attempt at fixing it? That's the most nit-witted nonsense i've ever heard. We allowed hunting in the past to control populations: they went extinct. Let's allow that again for the same reason: what will happen this time? Hmmm... I wonder 
lol there was no regulation. no species has been hunted to extinction ever since regulation in north america.
We've still come pretty damn close. I'm not going to agree with the hunting of wolves for sport. It's just not gonna happen. Regulation or no regulation I think it's fucked up and disgusting.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16865761 - 09/17/12 09:54 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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GuruBushHippie said: How was this not brought about by man? And how is lifting the ban to allow hunting them an attempt at fixing it? That's the most nit-witted nonsense i've ever heard. We allowed hunting in the past to control populations: they went extinct. Let's allow that again for the same reason: what will happen this time? Hmmm... I wonder 
lol there was no regulation. no species has been hunted to extinction ever since regulation in north america.
We've still come pretty damn close. I'm not going to agree with the hunting of wolves for sport. It's just not gonna happen. Regulation or no regulation I think it's fucked up and disgusting.
how do you feel about hunting coyotes? are you just against hunting predators? only prey animals should be hunted?
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16865790 - 09/17/12 10:00 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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GuruBushHippie said: How was this not brought about by man? And how is lifting the ban to allow hunting them an attempt at fixing it? That's the most nit-witted nonsense i've ever heard. We allowed hunting in the past to control populations: they went extinct. Let's allow that again for the same reason: what will happen this time? Hmmm... I wonder 
lol there was no regulation. no species has been hunted to extinction ever since regulation in north america.
We've still come pretty damn close. I'm not going to agree with the hunting of wolves for sport. It's just not gonna happen. Regulation or no regulation I think it's fucked up and disgusting.
how do you feel about hunting coyotes? are you just against hunting predators? only prey animals should be hunted?
The only animal that should be hunted is one that is directly threatening your life (like actually charging you, not just minding its own business in the same vicinity) and those that exist in large numbers and can be utilized for food and tools (deer, rabbit, squirrel, etc.)
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16865824 - 09/17/12 10:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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psilocybeMAN
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: duff monkey]
#16865830 - 09/17/12 10:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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psilocybeMAN said: little to none. worth it. worthless hippy
A hippy? On the shroomery forum?

i know, cliche right?
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16865864 - 09/17/12 10:15 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's hilarious about that? Go shoot a deer & fuck it's carcass.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16866729 - 09/18/12 02:06 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lolololol
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#16866751 - 09/18/12 02:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lots of emotion and very few facts in this thread.
I'm not for the indiscriminate killing of animals, and I'm not sure how I personally feel about this issue. But the idea that since there are seasons on wolves in some states that we'll wipe them out again is absurd.
Last season in Montana 166 wolves were killed which was short of their goal of 220.
http://www.npr.org/2012/07/16/156829997/montana-makes-it-easier-to-hunt-wolves
Minnesota plans to harvest 400 wolves in their two seasons. They currently have a population of 3,000 the largest in the lower 48.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/mammals/wolves/mgmt.html
Of course many states allow killing of a wolf that poses imminent danger to livestock or guard animals regardless of season.
*No need to bash each other, we're all animals and we're all in this together.
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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: MrGumball]
#16867427 - 09/18/12 08:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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All i've been saying this whole time is that we humans need to leave nature alone and stop trying to manipulate every aspect of it. We haven't changed this land permanently and we haven't done irreversible damage yet. If we just stop killing them and having "target numbers" and all that shit. It's a ploy to make money on the tags they sell and It's fucking asinine. Nature doesn't need our help. I have no problem killing deer and small game animals, I do it all the time. They're yummy, but I can't eat a wolf, and unless it's attacking me or my dog I don't have any reason whatsoever to take it's life.
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