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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #16863384 - 09/17/12 03:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm: wtf!? what par tof we have altered natures balance forever. have you ever been to wisconsin? deer are fucking everywhere. they are almost considered vermin. they are responsable for more car accidents then you would believe. if we all of a sudden stopped hunting (which you could never successfully prohibit[like the drug war, remember when they tried to outlaw alcohol?][people would still hunt, just unregulated) deer would breed out of control, there wouldnt be enough food for the population, and they would starve. WE HAVE CHANGED THE CONTINENT OF NORTH AMERICA FOREVER!. maybe theoretically it would take hundreds maybe thousands of years for nature to fix what we have done (if it could, which i dont think it could). your ideology doesnt work. grow up, deer will die, whether it be me shooting them in the heart, or a mountain lion(s) eating it alive.

without hundreds of thousands of hunters who buy there $50 hunters & fishing licenses and animal tags for $30 each yearly, the national forests and parks and all its programs for helping wildlife would go broke. hunters and fisherman are responsable for most of the dfg's funding.

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
    #16863476 - 09/17/12 04:00 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

WE HAVE CHANGED THE CONTINENT OF NORTH AMERICA FOREVER!

That's just plain egotistical. Humans aren't hot shit like we tell ourselves we are and our impact would be all but forgotten by nature if we all just disappeared. Since you keep going back to deer for some reason, i'll keep going with that. Why not let wolf, bear, and mountain lion populations expand with no interference. They would certainly help control the deer population and bring it back to a manageable number. Plus with so may deer, there would be plenty of food to support predator populations. It would take time, yes, but the cycle would re-regulate itself.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #16863568 - 09/17/12 04:17 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

your missing the point entirely. im not wasting anymore energy on this subject.

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
    #16863587 - 09/17/12 04:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:bye:


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #16863638 - 09/17/12 04:30 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:blowme:

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
    #16863643 - 09/17/12 04:31 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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:blowme:



How much energy did you waste posting that?


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #16863666 - 09/17/12 04:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

little to none. worth it. worthless hippy

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
    #16863728 - 09/17/12 04:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:whereismiddleman:


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #16863762 - 09/17/12 04:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:awwhellno:

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
    #16863977 - 09/17/12 05:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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seriously dude, i feel like im surrounded by PETA. these naive children must think that a wolf dies of old age with his loved ones.NO, THEY most likely get torn up by their own pack. same with deer, they usually die of being eaten by a predator (mountain lions, sometimes bears). id prefer to be shot and die quickly.




Awesome logic, bruh. Old people, too. Man they get all old and shit and start falling for no reason, back all fucked up everyday -- if I were them I'd prefer to be shot and die quickly. Yeah. I say lets strap up and go to town on those mofo's...I mean it's for their own good.




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haha, your not the only fail i see in here, but your the biggest fail. what comes first to you? a human baby, or a baby fawn (baby deer)? as i explained to you in my post above, if we stopped "controlling population" or as i like to call it managing wildlife, they would as a result die off. one doe can shit out up to 40 deer. they would spread like rats and eventually run out of forage and ALL starve.

at one point yes, there was a balance, but before regulation, man killed off the wolf in most states of USA. wolves next to mountain lions were a predator to deer. now that they are gone, we must take their place. learn your shit.




Who the fuck was talking about deer you minimally IQ'd tard of epic and biblical proportions? And I see how you point out the wolves in Alaska as justification for hunting all wolves. Fucking SMH at you reaching. What the fuck does that have to do with the rest then? What about the wolves in Montana & Wyoming? And while were switching the subject what about mountain lions and bears? Controlling the population? How many mountain lions do people actually cross paths with? Or oh yeah, maybe they're a danger to somebody's rooster. Solution? Off them.

Fuck off. I'm not fucking PETA and I have already supported hunting in this thread -- my beef is hunting for sport. IMO I think it's retarded. It's just my opinion. My "fail" comment was directed at the fuck tard who came in here calling people fails for having a differing opinion than him. And yeah, I agree that in certain cases, IE if the pop. numbers are ridiculously out of control, then it can be justified. But lets be honest. In most states (and I'm not talking about deer mofo) this is just the standard excuses to spin it and justify it so dudes can bust out their guns, drink some beer and shoot some shit. Do you think 99% of hunters, while they're about to take a wolf or a mountain lion, are thinking about the "reduction of population numbers" or "stabilizing the eco-system" when they're about to pull the trigger? Dude.

Here's what they're thinking about:



"YAY MOTHERFUCKERS DONE GOT ME ANOTHA TROPHY FOR MY LIVING ROOM."


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
    #16864004 - 09/17/12 05:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

look, i have no tie to respond right now, i will later. but people keep getting confused about why i am bringing up deer. i was merely using deer as an example. the same rule applies to all species that are hunted today in North america.

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #16864100 - 09/17/12 05:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Hunting is not needed to control the numbers; the billions-years old system works fine on its own.




Yeah, it is funny isn't it? I mean the first mammals came about something like 65 million years ago. I think they managed fine, don't you? Then we come along and it's advantageous to the world for us to "control the populations".

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
    #16864107 - 09/17/12 05:52 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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little to none. worth it. worthless hippy




A hippy? On the shroomery forum?

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
    #16864141 - 09/17/12 05:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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look, i have no tie to respond right now, i will later. but people keep getting confused about why i am bringing up deer. i was merely using deer as an example. the same rule applies to all species that are hunted today in North america.




That's the point. Why are you using deer as an example? They are totally different situations/arguments. Deer are EVERYWHERE. And in huge numbers. Wolves on the other hand?

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The gray wolf was once the world's most widely distributed mammal, after humans and lions, living throughout the northern hemisphere north of 15°N latitude in North America and 12°N in India. Deliberate human persecution has reduced the species' range to about one third, due to livestock predation and fear over attacks on humans. The species is now extinct in much of Western Europe, in Mexico and much of the USA.




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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
    #16864171 - 09/17/12 06:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Hunting is not needed to control the numbers; the billions-years old system works fine on its own.




Yeah, it is funny isn't it? I mean the first mammals came about something like 65 million years ago. I think they managed fine, don't you? Then we come along and it's advantageous to the world for us to "control the populations".

:wellthatsweird:



My thoughts exactly.


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    #16864323 - 09/17/12 06:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I know that it was illegal to hunt them for some time, due to their population dwindling.  Recently, in a few areas, this ban was lifted for the first time in as many as 20 years.  Wolves in these select areas have grown exponentially and are now killing off local populations of other animals - basically acting like locusts and decimating whole ecosystems.  Some of the wolves are wandering into the city, attacking domestic livestock and pets, even getting close to areas where children play.
In order to keep their population in check they offer limiting licenses to kill wolves.  Government agencies are too hard pressed to trap and exterminate these animals, so it hunting rights were opened to private citizens in moderation.

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
    #16864828 - 09/17/12 07:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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GuruBushHippie said:
Hunting is not needed to control the numbers; the billions-years old system works fine on its own.




Yeah, it is funny isn't it? I mean the first mammals came about something like 65 million years ago. I think they managed fine, don't you? Then we come along and it's advantageous to the world for us to "control the populations".

:wellthatsweird:



if your implying that we dont have an effect of wildlife id have to say your mistaken(you too guru). and nobody is talking about the world, im talking about USA. dfg.ca.gov has more information on why hunting is necessary, go check it out.

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: Nifflerz]
    #16864848 - 09/17/12 07:42 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I know that it was illegal to hunt them for some time, due to their population dwindling.  Recently, in a few areas, this ban was lifted for the first time in as many as 20 years.  Wolves in these select areas have grown exponentially and are now killing off local populations of other animals - basically acting like locusts and decimating whole ecosystems.  Some of the wolves are wandering into the city, attacking domestic livestock and pets, even getting close to areas where children play.
In order to keep their population in check they offer limiting licenses to kill wolves.  Government agencies are too hard pressed to trap and exterminate these animals, so it hunting rights were opened to private citizens in moderation.



this guy knows wat hes talking about wen it comes to wolves.

TO NIFFLA AND GURUFAGGOT
i used deer as an example because they are hunted for mostly the same reason. for the adequate distribution of food/forage for wolves and/or deer. too many wolves = LESS CARIBOU to go around. too many deer = less forage to go around. GET THE EQUATION and their similarity?

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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: psilocybeMAN]
    #16864962 - 09/17/12 07:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yaeah, just the other day a wolf snatched up several kids from the neighbor's yard :eek: It's all about the children! We should exterminate those fucking vermin, save the children!!!
:lolsy:

In all seriousness though, let's not kid ourselves. Hunting is a huge fucking cash cow for the government. Guns, ammo, licenses... the list goes on. It helps keep deer populations in check, but that's all we need it for. Wolves, like dogs, can have only have one liter of pups a year IN IDEAL CONDITIONS. Conditions are far less than ideal anywhere in the US except for AK, and even there they ought to be left alone. The whole state should be left alone before all of the wilderness in the US gets turned into a goddamned strip mall, but that's a different issue entirely.


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Re: The killing of wolves in the wild... [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #16865004 - 09/17/12 08:02 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

psilocybeMAN  i hope you realize that those "conservation" officers could very likely be bullshitting in order to justify their jobs.


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