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The 51st State
    #1686350 - 07/04/03 02:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I think David Blunkett has a hard-on for John Ashcroft, if he's not trying to give our police force guns he's trying to fuck up the justice system in one way or another. He seems to be trying to make more and more 'US style' changes every week. I wonder if this opens us up to the wrath of the RIAA.
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Blunkett has stripped us of protection

No wonder he kept so quiet about his one-sided US extradition deal

Isabel Hilton
Friday July 4, 2003
The Guardian

When the US and the EU signed a new extradition agreement last week, it was done with a fanfare. The deal, it was said, would enhance the fight against crime and was an important step towards healing the breach between Europe and Washington.

When the British home secretary signed a new extradition agreement with the US in March, there was no fanfare and no public comment. Details of what had been negotiated - in unprecedented secrecy - were hard to get hold of for two months. Now that they have become public, it is clear why Mr Blunkett would prefer us not to know: the agreement effectively removes safeguards that have protected British citizens from the risk of US judicial abuse, and hands them over, on request, to their fate - at a time when the US has enacted legislation that has dramatically reduced civil rights.

Until now, the US government had to offer evidence against the suspect before a British court. Thanks to Mr Blunkett, that has gone. All that will be required is that the US provide evidence that Joe Bloggs is who they say and Mr Bloggs is theirs. (Perhaps without Derek Bond, the septuagenarian Brit detained at FBI request in South Africa on the grounds that he was someone else, even that requirement might have gone.)

If, on the other hand, the British government should wish to extradite a US citizen, it will have to make its case, as before. The Home Office defence against the charge that its eagerness to please does not seem to be reciprocated is that US citizens are protected by the US constitution from any such measure. Quite so. Mr Blunkett does not seem to think it his duty to protect British citizens at all.

The government argues that the new agreement brings extradition law into line with arrangements we have with other countries. It is true that our extradition arrangements with the EU and members of the Council of Europe allow extradition without a prima facie case being made. But, as the human rights organisation Justice points out, there are important differences: these arrangements are reciprocal and the countries concerned have signed the European convention on human rights and other treaties that bind them to an international standard of judicial conduct. They can be held to account at the European court of human rights and can be subjected to political and diplomatic pressure if they abuse the rights of a British citizen. None of this applies to the US, a country that has, in the past two years, introduced legislation that allows foreign nationals to be arrested, tried before secret military tribunals and executed, without any requirement to disclose details.

And while there is an understanding that the UK would not allow extradition where the death penalty would be imposed, it offers no guarantee on conditions of imprisonment - a prisoner could, for instance, be kept on death row forever, or transferred to a military court, or added to the collection of souls in limbo in Guantanamo. As for US willingness to listen to international opinion, we have seen enough of Washington's contempt for the basic protections of the Geneva convention, not to mention the new international court of justice, to suspect that international protest would not have the slightest effect. Consider the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, the suspected terrorist extradited from France to face trial in the United States. France has protested vigorously - but to no effect - about the use against Mr Moussaoui of material supplied by France to the US in a different context, in clear contravention of the terms of the extradition.

The US had hoped to persuade other European countries to sign up to these appalling arrangements, but they refused. Mr Blunkett would no doubt argue that the US system of justice can be trusted with the fate of any British citizen. But the United States is like the curate's egg. Perhaps the judicial standards of the state of Vermont could be trusted, but would you really want to find yourself in court in Texas?

The most notorious request that the UK dealt with in the aftermath of September 11 was for the Algerian pilot Lotfi Raissi, who was detained for five months in Belmarsh high security prison after the US sought his extradition on suspicion of involvement in the September 11 attacks. He was eventually released when a British judge ruled that there was no evidence against him. Under Mr Blunkett's new treaty, Mr Raissi would be incarcerated in the United States. In fact, under the new treaty - which is retrospective - he still might be, if the US were to try again.

And the evidence against him? According to Amnesty International: "The US authorities' reasons for seeking Lotfi Raissi's extradition included the fact that his identity and profession fit a certain profile: an Algerian man and a Muslim, a pilot and a flight instructor in the USA." So what if he's not guilty. He just has to look the part.


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Re: The 51st State [Re: Edame]
    #1686488 - 07/04/03 03:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Britain seems to quickly be taking over our (Canada) place as the US's lap-dog...


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Re: The 51st State [Re: trendal]
    #1686654 - 07/04/03 05:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Nice observation, trendal... that's a link I hadn't made...


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Re: The 51st State [Re: Meph]
    #1686688 - 07/04/03 05:42 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

true, when england joined the iraq war, and canada abstained, that initiated a major shift in the politics of the english speaking world.


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Re: The 51st State [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1686708 - 07/04/03 05:59 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

And Canada is sticking marijuana decrim and gay marriages in the US' face...

I say go Canada...


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Re: The 51st State [Re: Meph]
    #1686793 - 07/04/03 07:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I see something in my crystal ball... its..... people..... smart people..... creative people..... emotionally self actualized people..... walking...flying....driving.... to canada.


the mass exodus of like minded people to vancouver has been going on for years, all this shit will just speed it up. the US is going to get scarier and scarier.


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Re: The 51st State [Re: Malachi]
    #1686910 - 07/04/03 09:55 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Even I might start looking into that soon, the UK still has ties to Canada :smile:

Blunkett's really pressing for a national ID card (complete with 'biometric' information), if that gets through Parliament I want out.


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The above is an extract from my fictional novel, "The random postings of Edame".
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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


Edited by Edame (07/04/03 09:56 PM)


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Re: The 51st State [Re: Edame]
    #1687318 - 07/05/03 02:52 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

wow. almost enough to turn me into a bible thumper quoting the book of revelations. almost.  :smile:


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Re: The 51st State [Re: Malachi]
    #1687357 - 07/05/03 03:25 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

there's a movie called the 51st state. it's a badass movie with sam. l jackson and drug sheet. ya'll should check it out, mang


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